What does "It's Garrett's Scheme" mean?

[Shinaoi]

Well people have always said it’s jason who is minimizing what Scott really wants to do. And that the simplistic ‘beat the man in front of you’ style of football is what he requires Scott to run. So I’ve always just trusted it was the case, since Jason is the head coach.

 

[rkell87]

Back when they brought Linehan in, it seemed everybody said Linehan was Garrett's choice. That means he chose someone who would fit Garrett's style of play calling, and IMO that definitely turned out to be the case. Linehan calls plays just like Garrett. Don't know if it's because of Garrett's influence or if Linehan just naturally mirrors Garrett's style, but if Garrett disagreed with Linehan's style, Linehan wouldn't have lasted long.

Who has Jason Garrett decided to fire that makes you think someone 'wouldn't last long' under him?

 

[slick325]

I literally laughed out loud...kudos CF74!!! Lol

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Good post but that's not really Garrett's "scheme" limiting Linehan. It's just their weekly game plan and Linehan's specific calls that are limiting the offense.

Who do you think sets the directive as to what plays we will use?

On the sight adjustment (option routes) issue, it appears that they don't ask Dez to run those anymore or very rarely.

That's completely false.

In the Romo years Dez and Romo would read those differently and it was often very obvious. We would see Romo discussing it with Dez after the play failed. This year it appears that Dez just runs a designated route with no option. I'm not saying it's completely zero but it's close to zero.

Romo was better at making those reads. Dez is usually very good and knows where to go. The other issue is that Dak tries to lead Dez. With Dez you throw the ball high and lean towards throwing it behind him. Let him go get it.

And all of this still doesn't address why we are using so many curl routes and hitches along with T-Will basically an H-Back.

That's more Garrett and less Linehan.




YR

 

[NotForLong]

Lolololololololol
Hilarious
Because its true

 

[xwalker]

Who do you think sets the directive as to what plays we will use?
YR

Garrett as the HC setting the direction is different than Garrett's scheme being the limiting factor.

Garrett as HC could set the direction even if the OC was using a West Coast scheme.

 

[Clove]

It doesn't mean anything. It's just a term people throw around. In reality the offense is a collective effort made by everyone on the offensive staff. Most don't want to hear that though. Obviously the greatest impact comes from Garrett and Linehan. The run first philosophy specifically comes from Garrett.

The problem in fixing the passing game comes down to this imo.

Either we find a QB to run the scheme the way it is supposed to be run or we find a scheme to fit the players we have. Unfortunately we don't have that with the staff currently in place. It's a bad match between scheme and personnel.

The scheme doesn't work no matter who is running it. Please enlighten me on when this scheme went to an NFC Championship game or the Super Bowl? And how many playoff's has this scheme won us? 1? Come on man.

 

[NEODOG]

Think of the Zampese style scheme like a basketball offense that doesn't quite run actual diagrammed plays (bare with me for a moment) and relies on being able to read the defense and understand the principles and adjustments that you need to make mid-play against the defense. The WCO is more like Bobby Knight. You go and run your part of the play and you don't deviate from that. And if you move the ball around enough you will finally get somebody with an open jumper.

There is more actual designed routes in a Zampese scheme than say watching a coach like Jim Boeheim who basically allows the players to just kinda run the offense and understand the principles of where they should be, how to create a shot, etc. So a lot of the Garrett scheme is based on making sight adjustments. Lots of option routes, etc. So the play call may call for a go route, but the defense may be designed as such where the WR and QB are supposed to know that they are supposed to throw a deep post.

This is perfectly fine.

What I have a problem with Garrett's scheme is many of his plays call for curls and hitches. And he loves to try and throw the fade route to Dez in the red zone which is a low percentage throw regardless of the receiver. The hitches and curls don't fool defenses, they don't provide for much YAC and they have a higher chance of being picked off or worse yet...a pick 6. Oh, and your WR gets to have the cornerback stick his foot in the ground and hit you in the back going full speed.

The bigger issues I have is more with the amount of plays we run thru for a year. We simply do not change up our plays and our personnel looks. We'll run the jet sweep and everybody knows it's either a jet sweep or a run with Elliott. It's never a pass. Last week we ran the 22 personnel with Dez as the WR and you pretty much knew they were going to use play action and throw to Dez. On 2nd down we'll go empty backfield and we know that will mean basically curls, hitches, outs and drags because the QB has to get the ball out quickly. We'll line up Dez in the slot on 3rd down and you know he's going to run a dig route over the middle.

If I have another problem with the scheme it's that we have basically made T-Will an H-Back and on so many downs we are essentially playing either 12 or 22 personnel since T-Will is there for blocking and to find the soft spot in the short zone.

So there are some things I really dislike about the scheme, but I also hate the limited amount of plays we run and how that limits what we can do with our playcalls.






YR

This guy has spent time on Mondays....

 

[xwalker]

When the players execute the offense is among the best in the league. My problems are with parts of it as well as the predictability. You can say so what if it does produce but I think it breaks down at times.

Predictability is a bigger issue than scheme/play-design, IMO.

They are predictable on formation, personnel groupings and down/distance.

The 85% run when under center and 85% pass in shotgun drives me crazy. Even if a defense just uses this one issue to load up against the run or pass, they'll be right 85% of the time.

Add in the other issues and the defense will improve from being right 85% of the time to somewhere im the ninety percent range.

The Cowboys only counter seems to be the Run-Pass Option.

 

[Zman5]

Linehan's main influences are from Dennis Erikson/Jack Elway's offense(Spread) and Denny Green/Mike Tice (WCO). JG's offense is based on Air Coryell. Linehan does not run the same offense he ran in Minny/St. Louis/Detroit with the Cowboys.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Post of the year

 

[LatinMind]

I constantly see people say it's Garrett's scheme when the OC is discussed.

Linehan has been here 4 years now.

Callahan called plays for 1 year.

I really think it's the nomenclature that is Garrett's (i.e. How they name the plays).

I don't think the scheme is preventing Linehan from creating any play that he wants to implement.

Jerry's main concern with a new OC was preventing the players from having to learn new terminology for the play calls.

I don't know how much Garrett is involved in the offensive meetings. He could have a significant influence on the game plan or none. I really don't know.

My conclusion is that Garrett himself might be influencing the plays/game-plan but Garrett's scheme itself is not a limiting factor on Linehan.

They dont know dude. Most dont know the scheme this team plays or the way the team does business. But the popular thing to do is just say anything negative about him. But most are ignorant to the workings of this team and how they operate.

There are still posts and threads about how this team is going to get Lawrence, Martin and Irving signed with the cap situation. Not knowing that Martin is already accounted for against the cap, Irving will be tendered, and Lawrence while he could very well sign a big deal his first yr cap hit will not be big at all.

 

[khiladi]

Callahan wasn’t calling the plays. He kept interfering and Jerry Jones said it wasn’t fair to Callahan and then stated Jason Garrett was the OC effectively that season..

The only year I’d say Garrett had a big part in the offense after Linehan came on board was 2015. I don’t think the latter wanted Cassell and wanted to play Moore, he knew his offense and worked with him for years. JG probably also wanted Dak to start over Romo after the run.

 

[CATCH17]

Those were good plays in the 90s.

 

[CATCH17]

Those were good plays in the 90s.

 

[Direwolf63]

If only we had Bo Jackson.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Our fans tend to look to the offense to bail out the defense, probably because of years of mediocrity (or worse) on the defensive side leaving little confidence in it.

Meanwhile, we'll never get over the hump until the defense can be trusted to get 3rd down stops in the second half and hold double-digit leads at home.

In related news....this fanbase wants WR in the 1st round. I hate everything.

 

[Verdict]

Don’t worry, it will soon be blamed on Dez, and this will become an anti Dez thread....

Well, to be fair, it's all Dez' fault.

 

[MRV52]

Garrett's scheme and Linehan's scheme are philosophical cousins.

Scheme is friggen INCEST.

 

[LatinMind]

Romo was better at making those reads. Dez is usually very good and knows where to go. The other issue is that Dak tries to lead Dez. With Dez you throw the ball high and lean towards throwing it behind him. Let him go get it.

And all of this still doesn't address why we are using so many curl routes and hitches along with T-Will basically an H-Back.

That's more Garrett and less Linehan.

YR

I cant even comprehend this way of thinking in a QB not leading a WR instead just throwing it up basically stopping the route so your 15mil dollar WR can have a better chance to catch the ball. This is whats wrong with the passing game. Dez is a shell of his 12-14 yrs. He's not the same player and the sooner people realize it, they will come to terms that he's not worth the money anymore.

I dont even want to hear about Dak and his inability to get Dez the ball deep is the reason, because last yr Dez had a career high in Catch avg at 15.9. Dez just has gotten lazy and complacent in his craft.

Has Dak not had any fault with the 2? Nope, hes thrown some passes that he had no business throwing. But i will say Dak doesnt seem to have the same problems with any of the other WRs. The problem is Dallas has to dedicate a certain area of the field to Dez and that bottles up the rest of the field.

If you sit and watch a pass play, you will see CBs who sit back on Dallas' WRs routes but because they dont run the route crisp or run it short they have the time to break on the ball and make a play. Just sit and watch and you will hardly ever see a CB jam Dez at the LOS anymore because you dont need to. He and the other Dallas WRs will tell them where the route is going by them looping the routes instead of cutting sharp.