News: BTB: Four compensatory picks give Cowboys 10 total picks in 2018 NFL Draft

[gimmesix]

There was nowhere where what happened was ever part of anything planned.

Are you saying we weren't planning to play Paea and Thornton at 1-tech?

Carroll clearly was brought in to start for us and was the starter from the first day of camp until he played poorly against Denver, got hurt and was supplanted by Jourdan Lewis. I think Dallas was hoping that the youth would eventually make him unnecessary, but I don't think they expected it to happen so quickly because of Carroll looking bad and getting hurt.

Blanton wasn't brought in to start, but I think he was expected to be "starter's insurance" in case Heath didn't live up to expectations. Instead, Heath didn't live up to expectations during the first part of the season, but Blanton wasn't around because he didn't play well enough to make the team.

I'm not sure if Paea was brought in to start or just to rotate with Thornton, but when Thornton proved to be a bust, Paea became the primary 1-tech, which really was more of a role than he needed at this point in his career and resulted in him retiring.

If you count Byron Bell sucking in all but one of his appearances with the starters, you could easily say this is the worst (outside) FA class we've ever had. He made the team, but only played because Chaz Green not only couldn't stay healthy but somehow forget how to play tackle after doing well as a reserve last year.

The only decent FA we acquired was Cooper, and we actually picked him up in 2016.

 

[gimmesix]

Has anyone ever done any analysis around losing an established veteran vs getting a draft pick in return? I ask because you could see it as "we trade out an old player and get a young guy for the future who is better/not as beaten down" or you could see it as "we lose a player that could help us win now for an unknown".

In this case we wanted to let them go so it's seems like a bonus but I'm curious about it as a strategy. I could see it as a way to trade out older players to keep a stream of young talented guys coming into the team. I wonder if the Patriots use this technique because they always seem to have young guys ready to play.

Considering the number of misses in the draft, getting a fourth-seventh round pick for an established starter would not seem to be a good strategy for maintaining or building a contender. The only good that comes from it is the cap savings for not overspending on so-so players, and it gives you more shots at lucking into a future starter.

 

[Bullet22]

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[Vinnie2u]

How different does this season look with Leary, Church, and Carr?

Ronald Leary played hurt most of the year and landed on the IR for Denver. Missed a total of 5 games. The mistake wasn’t letting Leary go. It was the FO gambling on Chaz Green (Guard) and Byron Bell (Tackle) were Starting Material. One is a China doll and the other a turnstile.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's a fan site.

These are the people that campaigned for Prescott as the MVP of the league last year.

Along with most of the media for most of the year. He did end up with a vote. That wasn't just a Cowboy Nation thingy.

MVP votes

Ryan: 25
Brady: 10
Zeke: 6
Carr: 6
Rodgers: 2
Dak: 1

 

[big dog cowboy]

How different does this season look with Leary, Church, and Carr?

Worse. Glad all 3 are gone.

 

[Kaiser]

Four interceptions, bunch of tackles, played tremendous this season. He was their key signing.

Barry Church in 16 games: 56 Tackles and 4 Picks, Cap Hit of $8,000,000.

Jeff Heath in 15 games: 55 Tackles and 3 Picks, Cap Hit of $1,921,000.

If Church was awesome, then Jeff Heath was awesome at one quarter of the price.

 

[Hardline]

What a perfectly Trumpian response: If you don't like the message, first attack the messenger.

What's wrong with being excited about four comp picks as opposed to none? Of course, that's not a CZ thing, because we like to formulate clever retorts to anything even remotely positive and the celebrate ourselves for our one-upmanship.

This is a political post that I would systematically destroy if allowed to.
I've gotten benched for posting less political things than this.

 

[Kaiser]

Blanton wasn't brought in to start, but I think he was expected to be "starter's insurance" in case Heath didn't live up to expectations. Instead, Heath didn't live up to expectations during the first part of the season, but Blanton wasn't around because he didn't play well enough to make the team..

The key thing with Blanton was that he was signed right before the draft so that we didn't have to reach for a pick at Safety. Woods dropped to the 6th and we picked up him at a bargain cost, so it make Blanton expendable. If an OT had dropped to a bargain level, Byron Bell wouldn't have made the 53.

 

[erod]

Barry Church in 16 games: 56 Tackles and 4 Picks, Cap Hit of $8,000,000.

Jeff Heath in 15 games: 55 Tackles and 3 Picks, Cap Hit of $1,921,000.

If Church was awesome, then Jeff Heath was awesome at one quarter of the price.

Church didn't have to make as many tackles because a lot fewer ball carriers found the Jacksonville secondary.

 

[Kaiser]

Church didn't have to make as many tackles because a lot fewer ball carriers found the Jacksonville secondary.

So Church was awesome, except for actually having to play.

Sure, why not.

 

[unionjack8]

It's ok having 10 picks but if you pick 8 duds your franchise goes nowhere .
W3 need way more production from our 2-5 guys.
Our drafting hasn4 been as good as some here lead us to believe. ...

 

[Nightman]

Carroll was insurance.....we didn't need him once Cheeto and Lewis got healthy
Paea was to be the starter at 1T....... was never healthy enough and retired...good sign/bad outcome
Blanton was/is a JAG
Thornton was a huge fail..........9m for 1year

None are worth any rueing ........easy to move on from

We build thru the Draft and sign our own FAs...... we may go crazy and sign a DT this year.......maybe

 

[kevm3]

Honestly, just stack up the defense. Marinelli is really the only coach who I have any faith in. The defense got spanked at times, but how the defense came on at the end, especially without David Irving and a team loaded with rookies is impressive. I'm even willing to trade up if a stud linebacker or safety becomes available.

The type of offense we are REQUIRES a strong defense anyways, because we seem to max out at around 28 points a game. That will win against average offensive teams, but when you're playing the Rams, aaron rodgers, the eagles or other potent offenses, they will shred an average defense and end up outscoring us. We need to take the Minnesota approach.

 

[Stash]

Are you saying we weren't planning to play Paea and Thornton at 1-tech?

Carroll clearly was brought in to start for us and was the starter from the first day of camp until he played poorly against Denver, got hurt and was supplanted by Jourdan Lewis. I think Dallas was hoping that the youth would eventually make him unnecessary, but I don't think they expected it to happen so quickly because of Carroll looking bad and getting hurt.

Blanton wasn't brought in to start, but I think he was expected to be "starter's insurance" in case Heath didn't live up to expectations. Instead, Heath didn't live up to expectations during the first part of the season, but Blanton wasn't around because he didn't play well enough to make the team.

I'm not sure if Paea was brought in to start or just to rotate with Thornton, but when Thornton proved to be a bust, Paea became the primary 1-tech, which really was more of a role than he needed at this point in his career and resulted in him retiring.

If you count Byron Bell sucking in all but one of his appearances with the starters, you could easily say this is the worst (outside) FA class we've ever had. He made the team, but only played because Chaz Green not only couldn't stay healthy but somehow forget how to play tackle after doing well as a reserve last year.

The only decent FA we acquired was Cooper, and we actually picked him up in 2016.

No, what I'm saying is that the Cowboys 2017 was a disaster. Everything they did and every decision they made was the wrong one.

 

[MonsterD]

The type of offense we are REQUIRES a strong defense anyways, because we seem to max out at around 28 points a game. That will win against average offensive teams, but when you're playing the Rams, aaron rodgers, the eagles or other potent offenses, they will shred an average defense and end up outscoring us. We need to take the Minnesota approach.

One of the best points made in thi...er... last year. Guess calendar and football year is over so..

 

[conner01]

Ronald Leary played hurt most of the year and landed on the IR for Denver. Missed a total of 5 games. The mistake wasn’t letting Leary go. It was the FO gambling on Chaz Green (Guard) and Byron Bell (Tackle) were Starting Material. One is a China doll and the other a turnstile.

Green did play fairly well in limited duty last year but I don’t think they thought either were starting material. I do think they felt they could come in and play better than they did
But to be honest I thought green if healthy could be a decent swing tackle based on the time he got last year
But obviously he wasn’t

 

[Nightman]

Green did play fairly well in limited duty last year but I don’t think they thought either were starting material. I do think they felt they could come in and play better than they did
But to be honest I thought green if healthy could be a decent swing tackle based on the time he got last year
But obviously he wasn’t

I still think it was just a technique thing with CGreen......moving from position to position is tough

When Free's technique was off he was horrible and he only played RT at the end

 

[conner01]

I still think it was just a technique thing with CGreen......moving from position to position is tough

When Free's technique was off he was horrible and he only played RT at the end

I agree
I think their thinking that he could play was a reasonable assumption even if wrong

 

[lostar2009]

I find it hilarious that anyone can refer to what the Cowboys did in free agency in 2017 as "playing their cards right".

One word Nolan Carroll. That was a waste of money.