Franchise Tag: Demarcus Lawrence & the Salary Cap

[Galian Beast]

It’s big enough.

And yes that’s the point..... his value. I suspect you overvalue him because teams are going to be immediately skeptical of why the Cowboys, a team Jones is claiming is a contender, would trade a top flight LT with no real backup plan there.

10 million a year for a pro bowl tackle? No, a lot of teams would jump at that. Especially with no risk involved in cutting him. Hell teams would take that to put him at right tackle.

 

[baltcowboy]

The point that you're missing is if you put almost 20 million into one player and they miss any number of games, it can impact whether you even make the playoffs. Instead you spread that risk over a few more players, and even if a player has a down year or gets injured, your season

I would rather gave 20 million to him then the people you are proposing. To be honest I would pay him before Zack. Defensive End is more valuable and harder to replace.

 

[Proof]

I got the feeling from your comment that you see Taco as a big part of the near future. I just find it rather funny using Taco and the term disruptive in the same sentence. As if you are already assuming Taco is going to be some kind of disruptive force next season.

oh. yeah that's just your bag. i am naming players on our defensive line who will benefit from d law playing along side them. he's our first round defensive piece, and the team wants him to be a big part of the near future, so having lawrence there helps make that possible. whatever you think of him, he's worse off if d law isnt there.

 

[Sydla]

10 million a year for a pro bowl tackle? No, a lot of teams would jump at that. Especially with no risk involved in cutting him. Hell teams would take that to put him at right tackle.

If he’s so cheap and so good, why are you trading him?

If you want to think someone might give us a first rounder or second rounder, have at it.

 

[Stash]

Please quote me where I said no defensive player at all is worth it.

We were talking about defensive ends and we have since the get go.

We're talking about "war daddy" pass rushers. The term that you, yourself used. You now want to change the terms because you realize you made a mistake and look dumb.

 

[Galian Beast]

If he’s so cheap and so good, why are you trading him?

If you want to think someone might give us a first rounder or second rounder, have at it.

I'm trading him because this offense isn't going to be able to get the most value out of him in the next few years. And the resources needed to get it there are significant. In the meantime, this offense is going to continue to get older and more expensive.

 

[Stash]

Wait we should keep him, but no other team would take him?

You're crazy.

Please quote me and what I said regarding this if you think I didn't think it through.

You literally just didn't read it.

Again, deal with the $18 million cap hit.

The same amount that you think is "crazy" to pay for the NFC's sack leader, you advocate taking in dead money by trading your only left tackle.

"You're crazy."

 

[Galian Beast]

We're talking about "war daddy" pass rushers. The term that you, yourself used. You now want to change the terms because you realize you made a mistake and look dumb.

When I cited cap figures for franchising Lawrence did I mention anything about linebackers? Did I suggest linebackers to replace him?

Come off it.

 

[Stash]

Let me help you

Trade Tyron Smith, his cap hit gets MUCH smaller as it goes, so hopefully, we could still get some really good value here. Major cap hit for moving him now. Hopefully for a 1st or 2nd.

Never for anything close to a "1st or 2nd". That "pie in the sky" Madden bull****.

Yeah, "major cap hit", as in the same $18 million you think they should pay to keep Lawrence.

But yeah, get rid of two of the team's top players for a net zero. Some plan...

 

[Stash]

When I cited cap figures for franchising Lawrence did I mention anything about linebackers? Did I suggest linebackers to replace him?

Come off it.

You asked who was the last "War Daddy" to win a Super Bowl. And you were taken to school and don't like it.

Too bad.

Yet again something else you didn't think through before you typed it.

Like all of the rest of this awful "plan" you're being roasted at the spit about.

 

[Proof]

Admitedly, I didnt watch in much detail the last 5 games. And I certainly wasnt focused on Soft Taco. Ill give him a clean slate come training camp, but talk of him being the next great DE in Dallas is on hold for me. When he starts wreaking havoc Ill be the first to applaud him. But from what I DID see this year, I dont have my hopes up. Soft is what I saw. But he has a golden opportunity with a beast like Tank taking most of the double teams.

lol so you didn't pay attention to him or see his improvement to really have an informed opinion, took issue with me arbitrarily saying he would have an opportunity to be disruptive playing with lawrence, but then turn around and talk about his opportunity playing with lawrence? gotcha

 

[Galian Beast]

Never for anything close to a "1st or 2nd". That "pie in the sky" Madden bull****.

Yeah, "major cap hit", as in the same $18 million you think they should pay to keep Lawrence.

But yeah, get rid of two of the team's top players for a net zero. Some plan...

Again it isn't net zero. Not sure why you're struggling with concepts so much.

1st you get a comp pick for Lawrence
2nd you would get a draft pick for Smith, even if you don't think it would be a 1st or a 2nd (completely disagree with you), you would get a pick.

That's probably a 3rd or 4th and what you get for smith... which isn't net zero. Not to mention the additional cap space in 2019.

You asked who was the last "War Daddy" to win a Super Bowl. And you were taken to school and don't like it.

Too bad.

Yet again something else you didn't think through before you typed it.

Like all of the rest of this awful "plan" you're being roasted at the spit about.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Stash]

Again it isn't net zero. Not sure why you're struggling with concepts so much.

1st you get a comp pick for Lawrence
2nd you would get a draft pick for Smith, even if you don't think it would be a 1st or a 2nd (completely disagree with you), you would get a pick.

That's probably a 3rd or 4th and what you get for smith... which isn't net zero. Not to mention the additional cap space in 2019.

So you lose your only left tackle and pass rusher, but hey, you get a 2019 3rd round pick and whatever scraps someone gives you for Tyron Smith. And the $18 million you won't pay Lawrence is offset with $18 million for trading Smith.

While mailing it in on the 2018 season and beyond. Again, a horrible plan.

Keep telling yourself that.

And you keep arguing with everyone telling you how stupid you are. They all must be wrong not to understand the "brilliance" of your plan.

Stick to Madden kid!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, I think you missed out on seeing his improvement. I very much liked what I saw. He was disruptive out there and wasn't getting tossed around like he was earlier in the year.

The kid doesn't quit and I think that attribute will serve him well. And another year in an NFL training program as well as being taught by Marinelli and Lawrence should do wonders for him. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I respect your opinion more than most so Ill take that as good news. Nice to hear.

 

[CowboyRoy]

lol so you didn't pay attention to him or see his improvement to really have an informed opinion, took issue with me arbitrarily saying he would have an opportunity to be disruptive playing with lawrence, but then turn around and talk about his opportunity playing with lawrence? gotcha

Lets be real here. He had one sack in the last 5 games? Im sure you are very impressed indeed.

 

[Stash]

I respect your opinion more than most so Ill take that as good news. Nice to hear.

Then again, I thought Heath could be our SS and Paea a decent option at DT...



So I have drank some Kool-Aid in the past too!

 

[Nightman]

Every deal is only as long as the guaranteed money..............on a 5/65m deal the gtd money is 30m or 2 years

On a 5/85m deal it is 45m or 3 years............ there are no real long term deals except ones that benefit the team after the gtd money is gone..... the contract becomes a series of Team Options

Sign the man and move on to Poe and a WR

 

[Galian Beast]

So you lose your only left tackle and pass rusher, but hey, you get a 2019 3rd round pick and whatever scraps someone gives you for Tyron Smith. And the $18 million you won't pay Lawrence is offset with $18 million for trading Smith.

While mailing it in on the 2018 season and beyond. Again, a horrible plan.



And you keep arguing with everyone telling you how stupid you are. They all must be wrong not to understand the "brilliance" of your plan.

Stick to Madden kid!

How many games do Lawrence and Smith play next year? Give me a number so I can put it in my sig. How many sacks does lawrence have? I'll add that as well.

You've got to build and you don't think that on poor foundation.

Look up Argumentum ad populum

 

[Stash]

How many games do Lawrence and Smith play next year? Give me a number so I can put it in my sig. How many sacks does lawrence have? I'll add that as well.

Any numbers would be worthless. Pure unsupported speculation and guessing. As worthless as this botched, misguided plan of yours that you very clearly didn't think through.

You've got to build and you don't think that on poor foundation.

Finally, something we don't argue about. But then we have to address what, in fact, constitutes that "poor foundation"? If it starts with Jones and Garrett? It's already poor. Letting two of the team's top 5 players walk out the door increases the problems, it doesn't solve any of them.

Look up Argumentum ad populum

I'm glad to see you've been doing some reading. But while it may have increased your vocabulary, it hasn't helped your cognitive thinking at all.

Here's some more enlightening reading for you:

https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/five-signs-the-problem-is-you/

 

[Galian Beast]

Any numbers would be worthless. Pure unsupported speculation and guessing. As worthless as this botched, misguided plan of yours that you very clearly didn't think through.



Finally, something we don't argue about. But then we have to address what, in fact, constitutes that "poor foundation"? If it starts with Jones and Garrett? It's already poor. Letting two of the team's top 5 players walk out the door increases the problems, it doesn't solve any of them.



I'm glad to see you've been doing some reading. But while it may have increased your vocabulary, it hasn't helped your cognitive thinking at all.

Here's some more enlightening reading for you:

https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/five-signs-the-problem-is-you/

In reality you don't want to say anything, because either you'll undershoot and look ridiculous or overclaim and look ridiculous when they miss time.

You have two players with red flags, one who is an establish great player, but likely won't be for much longer and another who has never been consistent. You want to anchor a lot of young talent around these guys and hope for the best... That's a poor strategy in my book. You're more than welcome to it, but you shouldn't suggest that isn't exactly what you're doing.

LOL, I wonder what you googled to find that... :/