We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[northerncowboynation]

The apologists were in the minority over on the old board. That said, they didn't tolerate criticism very well.


What is your definition of success?

In all honesty? Different strokes for different folks. In business I measure it by my profit and loss statement. When profit exceeds loss, it's a success. Some years more than others. In football some by Conference wins,playoff wins, playoff appearances. Me, I measure by wins and losses in a 16 game season. That's what gets you to the dance. 8 teams have had more success than the Boys from 2011-2017. With JJ as an owner I consider top 10 a success.

12-4 was a success, 13-3 was a success. 9-7 was an expectation for most reasonable fans. 3-13 showed us how successful Romo was when healthy. 2018, who knows. Clean house? bottom to top? Strengthen the team in the draft? All can be measured a success if done well

 

[Aviano90]

In all honesty? Different strokes for different folks. In business I measure it by my profit and loss statement. In football by Conference wins. 8 teams have had more success than the Boys from 2011-2017. With JJ as an owner I'm happy with top 10. 12-4 was a success, 13-3 was a success. 9-7 was an expectation for most reasonable fans. 3-13 showed us how successful Romo was when healthy

I guess you could look at it different ways. For me, success is determined in the playoffs. I haven't studied the numbers but I'd be hard pressed to believe we are one of only 8 teams to have made the playoffs twice and only have 1 win. Overall record may be due to a couple good years with a bunch of mediocre years but that's not the kind of success I would be bragging about. Maybe Eagles fans would joy in those results but not the Cowboys whose expectations should be higher than regular season winning %.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Gruden had a nice run at Oakland, but when he went to TB it became obvious that he struggled with QB's and needed a veteran QB that knew his system in and out in order to be successful.

I think his language on his plays is completely unecessary and when he started working in the booth he became obsessed with the wildcat formation.

Personally, I wasn't interested in him being the HC here...at all. I actually had interest in his brother when his brother was at the Bengals. But now I see his brother as basically a weaker version of Garrett...just with a better scheme.




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[northerncowboynation]

I guess you could look at it different ways. For me, success is determined in the playoffs. I haven't studied the numbers but I'd be hard pressed to believe we are one of only 8 teams to have made the playoffs twice and only have 1 win. Overall record may be due to a couple good years with a bunch of mediocre years but that's not the kind of success I would be bragging about. Maybe Eagles fans would joy in those results but not the Cowboys whose expectations should be higher than regular season winning %.

We are one of 21 teams who haven't been in more than 3 playoff games in 7 years. Only 8 teams have had more success. NE, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Chiefs, GB, Seattle, Atlanta and Carolina. Go through the records, google team name and record, and they're all there by year including playoffs. Whether it's hard to believe or not, it's a good exercise in futility

 

[northerncowboynation]

I guess you could look at it different ways. For me, success is determined in the playoffs. I haven't studied the numbers but I'd be hard pressed to believe we are one of only 8 teams to have made the playoffs twice and only have 1 win. Overall record may be due to a couple good years with a bunch of mediocre years but that's not the kind of success I would be bragging about. Maybe Eagles fans would joy in those results but not the Cowboys whose expectations should be higher than regular season winning %.

Everybody has different ways of measuring success and failure. My kids are successful by being good corporate citizens and paying tazxes. Their Mom measures success by how caring and loving they are. Meh, love is over rated.

You measure success in ways that make you contented, I'll measure in the ways that content me.

 

[Clove]

How many of us are just like Jason Garrett? We'll sell our soul for money. In our own world, we would not put up with this, or that, or whatever, but because we're being paid exceptionally well, we hold our tongue and grit it. If we as people would stand for what we believe in, we could change life for the better.

For me, I don't sell out for money. Even in here, I say what I want, if people don't like it, obviously I don't care.

There are guys that would still come in here and work for JJ because money talks. But then there are guys who would stand for their own beliefs, and would not put up with JJ doing what he does. This is the difference between a loser coach, and a winner coach. Some owner will still pay you and allow you to build the team your way, and you must have the patience to wait for that opportunity. Garrett is selling his soul for money and opportunity. And in his world, if Jerry is dumb enough to pay him what he's paying him and allow him to just lose and be a joke of a franchise, that's Jerry's problem.

Gruden may or may not be a better coach than Garrett, he does have a ring, and whether it's with someone else's talent or not, it's not easy to get to and win a title. Maybe Gruden would have come here and worked under Jerry for the right price, who knows.

At some point in Garrett's life, is he going to have a back bone and stand up to Jerry? Does he have that deep inner something within himself to admit he can't win Jerry's way? Does anyone in Jerry's circle have that in them? I don't think so, it's been 22 years and counting.

 

[jjktkk]

It's obvious to anyone who's been following the Cowboys, Romo ran this offense. He knew it better than anyone.
And you can't really understand why Prescott was better than Moore? Really? LOL. Do you even watch the games?

I get it. You are a JG fanboi and get upset when someone takes a shot at him. Did you get upset when Stephen Jones suggested the same changes should be made ?

You wanted to overhaul the offense after the 2016, which is idiotic, and moronic, to say the least. Stephen Jones said changes should be made after the 2017 season. And quit making up crap about me being a JG fan boy to weakly attempt to prove your point. Just because I don't rant and rave demand JG's firing like you and your ilk doesn't mean I don't see Garrett's overall record of mediocrity. I just don't waste time trying to point out OBVIOUS Garrett shortcomings. Its a waste of time and energy. So Its not really rocket science for fans who watch and follow the Cowboys, to realize that they are a average team. And by the way I've been watching Cowboy games since 1972.

 

[Big_D]

You are a refugee lol

I know.. and I still don 't see too many apologists. I didn't see too many on the old boards.

 

[Aviano90]

Everybody has different ways of measuring success and failure. My kids are successful by being good corporate citizens and paying tazxes. Their Mom measures success by how caring and loving they are. Meh, love is over rated.

You measure success in ways that make you contented, I'll measure in the ways that content me.

You have a point...to each his own, right? However, I am not the one creating a thread essentially designed to question the critics of Garrett. Apparently you want people to see Garrett in the same way you do.

If you want to be head over heals happy with the job he has done here I have no problem with that whatsoever. I would just question you as to why it appears you take issue with people who don’t like Garrett as you do?

 

[Zman5]

You wanted to overhaul the offense after the 2016, which is idiotic, and moronic, to say the least. Stephen Jones said changes should be made after the 2017 season. And quit making up crap about me being a JG fan boy to weakly attempt to prove your point. Just because I don't rant and rave demand JG's firing like you and your ilk doesn't mean I don't see Garrett's overall record of mediocrity. I just don't waste time trying to point out OBVIOUS Garrett shortcomings. Its a waste of time and energy. So Its not really rocket science for fans who watch and follow the Cowboys, to realize that they are a average team. And by the way I've been watching Cowboy games since 1972.

What's idiotic is being complacent. Instead of JG and his staff feeling good about themselves and patting themselves in the back, they should have worked harder and figured out how to improve what they did in 2016. It was obvious that other teams were going to pick apart our offense. Everyone was talking about how teams have tape on Dak. Everyone knew other teams will counter what we did in 2016. There is a reason Denver with a rookie coach was able to destroy us. He even said it in his pre game presser that our scheme is very simple. He proved it on the field.

Instead of trying to figuring out how to maximize what Dak was good at and trying to taylor the offense to his skillset, JG thought it was fine running Romo's offense that was taylor to Romo's skill set. It was fine for him to just do what we did in 2016.

I'm not surprise. Your hero JG thought Chaz Green could play the same way as T. Smith. Now that's truly moronic.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You don’t get it. I’m not defending Garrett. He needs to put up next year or he should be replaced. I’m sick and tired of people like you who all they do is ***** and moan about it. Over and over and over again. Man up and except that he’s going to be here and move on and quit the Constant whining about him.

Nobody is forcing you to read or respond to any of the post or threads on this board.

And if your fragile psyche can’t handle what others post, I highly encourage you to use the ignore feature.

 

[Rockport]

Nobody is forcing you to read or respond to any of the post or threads on this board.

And if your fragile psyche can’t handle what others post, I highly encourage you to use the ignore feature.

Are you kidding me?! I enjoy outings habitual negative posters like yourself. Especially now with all the new members.

 

[visionary]

Dude, I presented the facts very clearly. 8 teams have had more success than the Cowboys between 2011 and 2017. That includes 16 game regular season and playoffs. I can give you all the numbers if you like but it would be a good exercise for you to do. It's a 32 team league. What part of that don't you understand. Of the 31 other teams 8 have had more success while JG has been HC. You can describe that as failure if you want, I understand you will settle for nothing but a SB, and JG is in no way responsible for any type of success this team has had. I have an answer for you Patriots. Check out their fanzone

I guess I'm old enough to remember a time when cowboy fans accepted nothing less than the best and didn't settle for mediocrity as their rallying cry as you obviously do. Sad to see fans like you.

I also have a suggestion for you: Browns. Check out their fan zone

 

[Beast_from_East]

Are you kidding me?! I enjoy outings habitual negative posters like yourself. Especially now with all the new members.

Funny, I have never been labeled a "habitual negative poster" by anybody but you and I am pretty sure that is against the rules, in fact........

"Disagreeing with another member does not give you the right to label them which is a personal attack"


I would advise you not to label me or anybody else in the future unless you want to get benched.

 

[Rockport]

Funny, I have never been labeled a "habitual negative poster" by anybody but you and I am pretty sure that is against the rules, in fact........

"Disagreeing with another member does not give you the right to label them which is a personal attack"


I would advise you not to label me or anybody else in the future unless you want to get benched.

Give me a break. All you do is post negative crap. 9 out of 10 of your posts, if not more.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Give me a break. All you do is post negative crap. 9 out of 10 of your posts, if not more.

That is your interpretation, not the facts.

Just last night I had a very good conversation with Diehardblues about how best to improve the team since Garrett is going nowhere (funny how you claim I or others don't accept it when there are multiple posts about how to overcome Garrett) then there was another thread where a couple of us discussed the RB situation and if Zeke was going to get a second contract and then evolved into a discussion on analytics used by Stephen Jones and how RBs are not good value after their first contracts, ect....

See, when you have over 21,000+ posts you participate in many discussions in many threads on many topics. I have also had PM conversations with some mods like Idgit, who despite his support for Garrett, is a really good guy.

See your mistake is you think any criticism is being negative, but you fail to realize that criticism when warranted is not only reasonable, but is expected. Now if you cant handle criticism of your favorite team or favorite coach, even when warranted, then that makes you nothing more than a cheerleader for the team. I am not a cheerleader, I am a fan, and I will criticize my favorite team when criticism is warranted or deserved.

 

[Rockport]

That is your interpretation, not the facts.

Just last night I had a very good conversation with Diehardblues about how best to improve the team since Garrett is going nowhere (funny how you claim I or others don't accept it when there are multiple posts about how to overcome Garrett) then there was another thread where a couple of us discussed the RB situation and if Zeke was going to get a second contract and then evolved into a discussion on analytics used by Stephen Jones and how RBs are not good value after their first contracts, ect....

See, when you have over 21,000+ posts you participate in many discussions in many threads on many topics. I have also had PM conversations with some mods like Idgit, who despite his support for Garrett, is a really good guy.

See your mistake is you think any criticism is being negative, but you fail to realize that criticism when warranted is not only reasonable, but is expected. Now if you cant handle criticism of your favorite team or favorite coach, even when warranted, then that makes you nothing more than a cheerleader for the team. I am not a cheerleader, I am a fan, and I will criticize my favorite team when criticism is warranted or deserved.

I criticize also but I don’t do it ALL THE ******* TIME like you do. That’s my point. You keep ignoring that important fact.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

When it comes to Garrett...guys here take the approach of "Anything is better than what we have.....". People clamor for guys past their coaching prime like a Gruden.....a Bill Cowher........a Mike Shanahan...........

 

[jjktkk]

What's idiotic is being complacent. Instead of JG and his staff feeling good about themselves and patting themselves in the back, they should have worked harder and figured out how to improve what they did in 2016. It was obvious that other teams were going to pick apart our offense. Everyone was talking about how teams have tape on Dak. Everyone knew other teams will counter what we did in 2016. There is a reason Denver with a rookie coach was able to destroy us. He even said it in his pre game presser that our scheme is very simple. He proved it on the field.

Instead of trying to figuring out how to maximize what Dak was good at and trying to taylor the offense to his skillset, JG thought it was fine running Romo's offense that was taylor to Romo's skill set. It was fine for him to just do what we did in 2016.

I'm not surprise. Your hero JG thought Chaz Green could play the same way as T. Smith. Now that's truly moronic.

Yeah, just keep ccmplaining Dorothy, and maybe click your heels twice and see if JG gets replaced.

 

[Zman5]

Yeah, just keep ccmplaining Dorothy, and maybe click your heels twice and see if JG gets replaced.

Take your head out of JG's butt and you might actually see what's going on. Then again, you're probably one of those JG fanbois who clap like a lunatic while telling yourself "Everything is fine. JG's got this". LOL.