Did the coaching staff ruin Chaz Green?

[Jumbo075]

Right on the mark ksk. I didn't like the Green pick when we got him, and he's done nothing to change my mind. NFL Draft Tracker projected him as a 5th - 6th rounder and we grabbed him in the 3rd, despite the fact that he was injury prone.
Why would anyone pick an injury prone player and take 'em in the 3rd round no less, when he wasn't that good when he was healthy! Terrible draft pick.
I wouldn't have taken the guy at all.

Here is the problem with criticizing the staff for drafting Escobar and Green. The same staff has been lights out with other picks. You have to face the fact that they are going to swing and miss sometimes. I didn't like either pick. But they've been so good on other picks, that I cut them a little slack when they miss.

 

[G2]

It's not always just the players, it's also when you pick them and what you gave up to get the pick.

 

[kskboys]

Green is the Jeff Heath of the offense.

I think you meant to say Matt Johnson!!!! Heath never misses a game.

 

[theebs]

Sorry. He is ruined!! He wasn’t that good any way and psychologically after the beating Garrett allowed him to take for 3 and a half quarters Green is done. Release him today.

Excellent idea, release a player going into his third year at a position of need when you are most likely going to lose bell and looney already

 

[Centex]

Move him to defensive end. At least he knows what a sack looks like.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here is the problem with criticizing the staff for drafting Escobar and Green. The same staff has been lights out with other picks. You have to face the fact that they are going to swing and miss sometimes. I didn't like either pick. But they've been so good on other picks, that I cut them a little slack when they miss.

They are over 50% over the first 3 rounds and had another good draft this year. Throw in the hits like Brown, Dak, Hitchens, Beasley, etc from later rounds and UDFA and they have been excellent at drafting.

Their FA has been poor but they do not invest much although people like to grandstand on 1% of the cap in dead money.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Chaz Green ruined Chaz Green. Don't blame the coaching staff for giving him an opportunity to earn a starting job, which he promptly blew.

He had two bad games. He had more good games than that filling in the year before.

Maybe he is mentally weak to where he is "ruined" but we have no way of knowing if that is the case.

Personally, I think they should move him back to OT and keep him there practicing and see how he develops. OL take time and while the coaches like flexibility, it does not always work out and certain players are not flexible.

His footwork and hands regressed but he also did not practice OT until a few games into the season because someone decided they wanted him at guard. He was actually okay at guard.

He would hardly be the first person that needed a lot of reps to get ready. Parnell was like that too taking 2 or 3 games of horrific play in the preseason before rounding into form.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Excellent idea, release a player going into his third year at a position of need when you are most likely going to lose bell and looney already

After watching Green get beat like a drum for 3 and a half quarters, and I mean beat like a drum, on almost every snap, you really think he can become a serviceable backup for us? Our backup tackles have to be really good because Garrett is an idiot. He very seldom chips for them. Chipping is not part of Garrett’s Offensive philosophy, how else can you explain Green and Bell getting run around and over all season( Green the Atlanta game ) with Garrett seldom chipping for them. You have to be a very good swing tackle to survive in Garrett’s offense due to the lack of help you will receive. We need another Jeremy Parnell at swing tackle.

 

[Jumbo075]

Excellent idea, release a player going into his third year at a position of need when you are most likely going to lose bell and looney already

If he was going into his 3rd year, I'd agree with you. But, he's going into his 4th season, and he hasn't panned out in his first 3 seasons. Time to cut bait.

 

[theebs]

If he was going into his 3rd year, I'd agree with you. But, he's going into his 4th season, and he hasn't panned out in his first 3 seasons. Time to cut bait.

actually thats right he was essentially red shirted after his surgery in the spring in 15.

there is no need to get rid of him. They tried to make him a guard this year and he is not a guard. Having the whole offseason at tackle and the preseason games all at tackle will help him.

for the money he makes there is zero reason to release him. The organization gains nothing releasing him.

 

[Zordon]

actually thats right he was essentially red shirted after his surgery in the spring in 15.

there is no need to get rid of him. They tried to make him a guard this year and he is not a guard. Having the whole offseason at tackle and the preseason games all at tackle will help him.

for the money he makes there is zero reason to release him. The organization gains nothing releasing him.

I swear it's like people forget we can bring 90 players to training camp.

 

[Jumbo075]

actually thats right he was essentially red shirted after his surgery in the spring in 15.

there is no need to get rid of him. They tried to make him a guard this year and he is not a guard. Having the whole offseason at tackle and the preseason games all at tackle will help him.

for the money he makes there is zero reason to release him. The organization gains nothing releasing him.

I'm not suggesting they release him in the off season. But he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt in training camp. And the Cowboys should find an upgrade, if possible. Release him at the end of camp unless he shows dramatic improvement.

 

[Captain43Crash]

actually thats right he was essentially red shirted after his surgery in the spring in 15.

there is no need to get rid of him. They tried to make him a guard this year and he is not a guard. Having the whole offseason at tackle and the preseason games all at tackle will help him.

for the money he makes there is zero reason to release him. The organization gains nothing releasing him.

They gain a roster spot for a player they hopefully trust to put on the field. Green was so bad they never put him back in a game after the Atlanta fiasco.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'll never understand why draft somebody with a history of injuries like that, and Green wasn't that good even when he was healthy.

He was good enough the Cowboys had a 3rd round grade on him. He actually had a pretty decent college career when he played.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he was going into his 3rd year, I'd agree with you. But, he's going into his 4th season, and he hasn't panned out in his first 3 seasons. Time to cut bait.

Put him bck to the position he was supposed to play. His pay is minimal. The Cowboys are at risk to lose a couple OL's already. Definately not the time to cut bait.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Chaz Green was taken in the 3rd round of the 2015 draft at pick 91 which is a premium pick. I did not like the pick at all. For me it wasn't his lack of talent, the guy had talent, it was he could not stay healthy. From high school through college I believe he missed around 1/3 of his starts with a laundry list of injuries. It wasn't like he had a bad knee, shoulder, etc. He had 10+ injuries all over, foot, groin, shoulder, etc. Once again it seems as if the Cowboys drafted a player with a high grade while ignoring his troubling history of injuries. Sure enough he got hurt in his first training camp and missed a lot of time in his first 2 years dealing with various injuries.

With all that said, in 2016 when Tyron missed those 2 games Green came in and did a pretty good job IMO. No one is Tyron but I didn't hold my breath on every snap. Green showed ability and even though he was made of glass at least he was an adequate reserve/swing tackle if healthy.

Fast forward to training camp in 2017 and the Cowboys are trying to figure out how to replace Leary at LG. The coaching staff made an awful decision IMO to try to put Green in at LG. A position that he had never played at any level. Everyone knows the difference in mechanics, technique, etc. is night and day compared to playing tackle. It takes a lot of reps and practice to even attempt the switch unless you are just a superior talent both physically and mentally. So what happens? Sure enough Green gets hurt and Cooper is given the job. So now what do the Cowboys do? They decide that Green despite trying to learn a new position and not getting any reps at tackle, will have no problem re-adjusting to playing LT on the fly if Tryon is hurt. We all know what happened at Atlanta.

I am not absolving Green of what happened at Atlanta. That was all time bad. But I just find it hard to believe that a guy who was a pretty serviceable backup tackle was/is now suddenly Rob Petitti bad. Since he is still under his rookie contract and has never played another snap since what is the plan for this guy? Is he just going to dress out but never play and take up a valuable spot on the 45 man game day roster? I'm not sticking up for this guy as far as thinking he is anything special, but I also think that this coaching staff ruined any chance this guy had to contribute on a team that has no depth, by trying to convert him to guard so they could get the "best 5 guys" on the field.

As usual, Garrett botched it......................seems like this has been said a thousand times over the past eight years

 

[Pantone282C]

He sucked last season but the main problem with the o line is the 2 people they let walk that is what screwed up the o line

I still SMDH when thinking about how in the world they let Leary leave.

 

[Pantone282C]

Excellent idea, release a player going into his third year at a position of need when you are most likely going to lose bell and looney already

We need Looney.

 

[noshame]

I can't blame any player I think our offensive pass blocking troubles in general where do to Linehan going back to his pocket passing attack and waiting for our receivers to get open.
Which is akin to waiting for hell to freeze over

But I regress it seems as though they bulked up Green too much too fast

 

[Stash]

Excellent idea, release a player going into his third year at a position of need when you are most likely going to lose bell and looney already

If you consider an oft-injured, fragile, beaten-like-a-drum liability like Chaz Green "a player"? Sure.

Ask yourself why it's a "position of need"? Because Green can't fill it.