Final Dak thread - How many QBs in NFL would you want instead

[tyke1doe]

Among the young guys ... Wentz, Goff, Watson, Mahones, Winston, Garrapolo, Carr

Older guys ... Rodgers, Stafford, Cam, Ryan, Brees, Wilson, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Luck

 

[Portnoy1]

Garropolo, wentz when it comes to the young guys that's it. Brady, Brees, Smith for the older guys. Everyone else is either not as good, too inconsistent or overrated.

 

[blueblood70]

IM not even responding to this...we are talking a year 2 guy who had a setback due to a lot of factors in front of him..mostly injury and shuffling the Oline plus zeke..it happens he had a grenade go off in front of him in ATL and had PTSD the rest of the season but in no way am i ready to give up on aguy that is 22-10 , ROY, in the regular season , played well in the GB playoff game and was 5-3 midseason with two games leading by double digits that the defense blew GB/Rams would have had us 7-1 ..better young qbs were ruined that had this happen to them early in their careers and i blame the coaches..

BTW they ran Dak more under center this year than out of shotgun and he was doing more audibles and reading more defenses , this was a learning season for him and he still got to 9-7 with a horrible team around him IE all had down years..ALL stop picking on only Dak when most of the entire team had down years except maybe Dlaw who didn't step up late after Irving went down and when we really needed sacks and TOs he disappeared as well..

this was a TEAM loss this season and if 9-7 is our bottom ill take that..so many of those guys listed DID NOT Carry their team..Eli and Clusins in our own dvison if they were so much better why didn't they finish with a better record??? come on talk it up? blame their teams?> i thought great Qbs carry their teams when the chips are down..why did eli get benched cousins why has his own team not signed him ??

I realize Dak didn't play well and his mechanics and confidence took a hit, this is not his proving year IMO he gets 4 years of his contract to develop, we will know by than, in the mean time 2018 should be a better year if we have even half less the issues we had this year..main thing is his foot work not his arm the throws that were really bad were him getting happy feet not setting his feet and using his hips and legs to drive the ball, that jump step almost tebow like throws while under pressure can be corrected.. if he simply learn to climb the pocket and keep his eyes downfield and reset and thow or gash a big run or two , the rush will slow down.. he didn't make them pay for their aggressiveness.. he instead ran sideways a lot and trie throwing while running into the line trying to block and it just fell apart..when he sets his feet i saw a lot of nice balls thrown into tight windows.. he can throw unlike tebow but lost his way and all the blindside hits..nly time will tell

if we can see this so will the QB coach and OC and they will work hard on this this offseason..

 

[DFWJC]

I’m almost certain OP doesn’t actually watch NFL football.

If im building an NFL franchise right now for the future I count 7 or 8 QB’s that I’m definitely taking over Dak...there’s another 4 or 5 that are in pretty much the same category.

I think his YES and NO's were based on who do you think is the better player right now.
Not quite the same as who you want to build a franchise around.
So a guy like Brees for sure is better​

 

[Bleu Star]

This might be best way to sum up where we are with Dak. Taking all 32 teams and saying if Dak is better than their starter (or in case of Philly their backup)

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Tie
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - NO to both
Bears - Trubisky - Yes
Packers - Rodgers - NO
Lions - Stafford - NO
Vikings - Keenum - Yes
Saints - Brees - NO
Falcons - Ryan - NO
Panthers - Cam - NO
SF - Garoppolo- NO
Seattle - Russel - NO
Rams - Goff - NO
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - Yes
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - hahahaha
Bengals - Dalton - Yes
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO (this is who I want Dak to pattern his game after)
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Yes (Don’t have enough info on Watson and haven’t seen if he can throw)
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - NO (if Luck is healthy but Dak is better than Brisset.)
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes
Oakland - Carr - NO
LA - Rivers - NO

So after that scan Dak is about 21st in the league. And anyone that begs to differ don’t use his rookie year numbers. I’m looking at decision making and arm talent. Find me video of Dak’s passes and decisions being better.

Zero.... I'm quite happy with our new franchise QB...

Oh hey guys... One last Dak bash thread. (said once weekly... lame)

 

[WLJG]

Whatever we individually think next season will tell the tale. He will either be good like he was the first season and half the second OR he will be very average like he was late in 2017. All we can really do is watch and hope. If he is good then great. If not then it will be time to say NEXT...

 

[Jake]

Final Dak thread?

 

[Parcells4Life]

I’m almost certain OP doesn’t actually watch NFL football.

If im building an NFL franchise right now for the future I count 7 or 8 QB’s that I’m definitely taking over Dak...there’s another 4 or 5 that are in pretty much the same category.

I said above this is not for the next 10 years. Let’s say for next year money not a factor who do you want

 

[JustChip]

Just in a vacuum today. Look at arm talent and decision making. Not looking at 10 years down the road which is why I still choose Brady, Brees and Rivers

If you're only looking at it in a vacuum today, you should limit it to the 2nd year QBs. Or objectively look at what all the QBs you list were after their 2nd year because I would expect the decision making of each improved with time. Of course, that' impossible to do because your (collectively) opinion would be influenced by what they ultimately become.

 

[CouchCoach]

Can I have this season to decide? I do believe this is the one that will decide whether he is the franchise of the future or a serviceable backup and Wildcat QB. Right now, he is not in the top half. The same reason he is not in the top half is the same reason he was the 7th taken and few on the team thought he would ever be the starter.

 

[Sydla]

Get me a real coaching staff to work with Dak and then ask me again.

He struggled last year for sure. But I don't think it's broken beyond disrepair if you gave him a coaching staff that was innovative and could create an offense that would work for him using Elliott, Bryant, and this OL.

 

[Sydla]

Among the young guys ... Wentz, Goff, Watson, Mahones, Winston, Garrapolo, Carr

Older guys ... Rodgers, Stafford, Cam, Ryan, Brees, Wilson, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Luck

Winston is a turd. I was high on him but he shows no real improvement at all and shows a real lack of any decision making at all on Sundays.

Mariotta is a better QB than him.

 

[JustChip]

I said above this is not for the next 10 years. Let’s say for next year money not a factor who do you want

No offense intended, but the question then is ridiculous. The same, frankly, could be said about Wentz or Goff or Watson. Who would be rather have under your criteria? Brees or Wentz? Ryan or Goff? Again, you're not basing it on potential for the next 10 years, but what they are right now. Just based on that, their skills and decision making, you take Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, etc.

 

[Parcells4Life]

No offense intended, but the question then is ridiculous. The same, frankly, could be said about Wentz or Goff or Watson. Who would be rather have under your criteria? Brees or Wentz? Ryan or Goff? Again, you're not basing it on potential for the next 10 years, but what they are right now. Just based on that, their skills and decision making, you take Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, etc.

I would take Goff or Wentz above many other older vets such as Rivers, Eli, Jameis, Wilson, McCown, Smith, Carr and Flacco. Basically they’re top 10 QBs.

 

[CouchCoach]

IM not even responding to this...we are talking a year 2 guy who had a setback due to a lot of factors in front of him..mostly injury and shuffling the Oline plus zeke..it happens he had a grenade go off in front of him in ATL and had PTSD the rest of the season but in no way am i ready to give up on aguy that is 22-10 , ROY, in the regular season , played well in the GB playoff game and was 5-3 midseason with two games leading by double digits that the defense blew GB/Rams would have had us 7-1 ..better young qbs were ruined that had this happen to them early in their careers and i blame the coaches..

BTW they ran Dak more under center this year than out of shotgun and he was doing more audibles and reading more defenses , this was a learning season for him and he still got to 9-7 with a horrible team around him IE all had down years..ALL stop picking on only Dak when most of the entire team had down years except maybe Dlaw who didn't step up late after Irving went down and when we really needed sacks and TOs he disappeared as well..

this was a TEAM loss this season and if 9-7 is our bottom ill take that..so many of those guys listed DID NOT Carry their team..Eli and Clusins in our own dvison if they were so much better why didn't they finish with a better record??? come on talk it up? blame their teams?> i thought great Qbs carry their teams when the chips are down..why did eli get benched cousins why has his own team not signed him ??

I realize Dak didn't play well and his mechanics and confidence took a hit, this is not his proving year IMO he gets 4 years of his contract to develop, we will know by than, in the mean time 2018 should be a better year if we have even half less the issues we had this year..main thing is his foot work not his arm the throws that were really bad were him getting happy feet not setting his feet and using his hips and legs to drive the ball, that jump step almost tebow like throws while under pressure can be corrected.. if he simply learn to climb the pocket and keep his eyes downfield and reset and thow or gash a big run or two , the rush will slow down.. he didn't make them pay for their aggressiveness.. he instead ran sideways a lot and trie throwing while running into the line trying to block and it just fell apart..when he sets his feet i saw a lot of nice balls thrown into tight windows.. he can throw unlike tebow but lost his way and all the blindside hits..nly time will tell

if we can see this so will the QB coach and OC and they will work hard on this this offseason..

Just curious, how much would you have written if you WERE responding?

 

[CouchCoach]

One thing I cannot figure out. Do the Daksters think his college career, getting drafted in the 4th, 7th QB taken and 3rd choice of the team that took him, is just an anomaly and he was just hanging back until he got to the NFL?

I watch a lot of college ball, specifically SEC ball as I am unfortunate enough to be a Hog, and Dak in his senior year, his Heisman list year, looked exactly as he did this past season. It is his challenge with accuracy consistently, the same problem a lot of QB's have, including Keenum, that put him in the 4th round.

No team, not one, had him as anything but a backup, and QB is the one position every team's scouts dissect closely and all had him in the 4th or later. No QB can be inaccurate and play in the NFL. It doesn't matter the good throws he will make, it is the others that are a concern.

I'll give him this season, as if I have a choice, but when a QB has technical issues, how many ever really fix that? And while we notice the problem, the DC's he will face drill down on that.

If I were the GM, I would take a QB in round 3 or up. It may be his job to lose but I'd send the message who he might lose it to and Rush isn't a threat. He's still cheap and the time to find out is this season.

 

[LandryFan]

So after that scan Dak is about 21st in the league. And anyone that begs to differ don’t use his rookie year numbers. I’m looking at decision making and arm talent. Find me video of Dak’s passes and decisions being better.

Now wait a minute...Dak has only played two years, but you're saying we can only use his mediocre season (and must ignore his really good season) on which to base an opinion. Seems to me you're steering/forcing the outcome to be what you want it to be rather than opening it up to an honest debate (not that any debate here would necessarily be honest).
At any rate, he's only played two years. One year was a great one (especially for a rookie), and the other was mediocre, IMO...but far from abysmal. It's really too early to say what he is, so I'll withhold judgment for the moment.

 

[MarkP88]

One thing I cannot figure out. Do the Daksters think his college career, getting drafted in the 4th, 7th QB taken and 3rd choice of the team that took him, is just an anomaly and he was just hanging back until he got to the NFL?

I watch a lot of college ball, specifically SEC ball as I am unfortunate enough to be a Hog, and Dak in his senior year, his Heisman list year, looked exactly as he did this past season. It is his challenge with accuracy consistently, the same problem a lot of QB's have, including Keenum, that put him in the 4th round.

No team, not one, had him as anything but a backup, and QB is the one position every team's scouts dissect closely and all had him in the 4th or later. No QB can be inaccurate and play in the NFL. It doesn't matter the good throws he will make, it is the others that are a concern.

I'll give him this season, as if I have a choice, but when a QB has technical issues, how many ever really fix that? And while we notice the problem, the DC's he will face drill down on that.

If I were the GM, I would take a QB in round 3 or up. It may be his job to lose but I'd send the message who he might lose it to and Rush isn't a threat. He's still cheap and the time to find out is this season.

This is a great post, totally agreed. I am rooting hard for Prescott, but I can't disagree with anything you said.

 

[JustChip]

I would take Goff or Wentz above many other older vets such as Rivers, Eli, Jameis, Wilson, McCown, Smith, Carr and Flacco. Basically they’re top 10 QBs.

Ok...that's what's great about life - reasonable people can have differences of opinion.

 

[dfense]

I would take Watson in a heart-beat.. and Dalton too..

and no way can Dak pattern his game like Ben who doesn’t panic when the pocket breaks down and can launch the ball deep and deep intermediate routes consistently and accurately..

Throw Tyrod in there to. He runs better and has a better arm. Same accuracy issues though.