Final Dak thread - How many QBs in NFL would you want instead

[Melonfeud]

Honestly? Just tired of the debate that always get's to Dak v Romo eventually. From my perspective, I'd improve the talent at the skill positions on offense (see WR and TE) and if Dak is the guy moving forward cool! If he isn't and can't get on the same page with any WR then I'm looking for a better long term solution. That was our mistake with Romo IMO, we refused to daft a QB early, stubbornly believing that he was the guy after numerous surgeries. What did that get us? Mostly endless debate and zero proof that either side of the debate was more wrong or right than the other. The thread title suggested this was "the final Dak debate" when in realty it will just spiral until we actually win something

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I am not in the 'camp' of those wanting & thinking the expenditure of draft resources should go towards acquiring some sort of magical speedy receiver in this upcoming draft,there's a few in F.A. that could be looked at,but I'm in the refortification of the Defenses Camp concerning this years draft,,,when the Q.B. can't see or hit what he's even got open to begin with, that ' golden BB' draft pick won't rectify what's illing this offense & that should be self apparent, although that offensive line is going to need a valuable high draft pick thrown it's way,,,I know man! It sucks climbing the steep hill of loose footing

 

[Jarv]

Its hard to evaluate Dak right now playing in the predictable Garrett system.

 

[Melonfeud]

Who are "those" fans ?

Please back it up by posting sources!

For me i do think we need the deep threat. Otherwise defenses will play us like they did last year. They'll take away the short and intermediate passing game. And it also helps them to take away the running game.The way we play right now we play in their hands.

With an Offense build around the running game you have to have a deep threat so the safeties and LBs have to stay back.

I really think we got ' deep threat' receivers out on the field during every offensive snap,,,I know I've beat this dead horse twice to death already, but that #9 guy could & would Romo-deeny around and strike it deep down field, that collection of coolness under fire he had was one of his better inherent qualities that is only being missed due to it's absence,,,, and I prolly should hurl my next glug of Jim Beam after saying this but,,,,I've noticed a little bit of that Romo-ism like quality in that Wentz q.b.

 

[northerncowboynation]

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I am not in the 'camp' of those wanting & thinking the expenditure of draft resources should go towards acquiring some sort of magical speedy receiver in this upcoming draft,there's a few in F.A. that could be looked at,but I'm in the refortification of the Defenses Camp concerning this years draft,,,when the Q.B. can't see or hit what he's even got open to begin with, that ' golden BB' draft pick won't rectify what's illing this offense & that should be self apparent, although that offensive line is going to need a valuable high draft pick thrown it's way,,,I know man! It sucks climbing the steep hill of loose footing

Hey, the "camp" is big enough to satisfy the "offensive and defensive needs", FA should we choose that route, 6 daft picks and probably three conditional.

As far as your comments on Dak, that's exactly why I don't debate his skills. I'm satisfied with where he's at a young second year QB. 22-10 not bad and yes I know it's a team game so the teams success can be attributed partially to Dak and the lack of success the same way.

I'm just not into one way finger pointing. I have 5 digits on each hand. Each one can point at a different culprit or fix. I won't tell you who my two middle fingers are reserved for.My thing is, there is no 1 fix. If, as a team, we think there is one fix needed we're screwed for another year. This team ain't one fix away

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Tie
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - Hell Yes on Wentz, I wanted us to trade up to get him and going from 4 to 2, wouldn't cost much
Bears - Trubisky - NO, not done enough to show he is worth it.
Packers - Rodgers - Yes - hell yes. he has a few good years and he is a game day difference maker. clutch.
Lions - Stafford - Yes. he has had no support, no run game, no good defense and he is really good.
Vikings - Keenum - No - One year wonder? prior he was cut 4 times.... right place. right time...he has to show more
Saints - Brees - Yes/Maybe. at the end of his career, but he is damn good
Falcons - Ryan - Yes. Been to playoffs, took his team to superbowl.
Panthers - Cam - Yes/Maybe. he is weird at times, but he lifts his team.
SF - Garoppolo- YES. HELL YES. prior to wanting Wentz, I wanted us to draft him in the first round. the guy has the IT
Seattle - Russel - Yes. He was their whole offense. made everything happen. been to two superbowls. won one.
Rams - Goff - Yes/Maybe. accurate, strong arm, smart. arrow is pointing up.
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - Yes
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - hahahaha
Bengals - Dalton - Yes
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO (this is who I want Dak to pattern his game after)
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Yes (Don’t have enough info on Watson and haven’t seen if he can throw) - Agree
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - Luck got injured because of crappy OL. can you imagine what he would do with our OL and running game
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes - this is a joke!!!!
Oakland - Carr - Yes/Maybe
LA - Rivers - Yes/Maybe....toward the end of his career, but he lifts his team

 

[G2]

Do we get to take their WR's too?

 

[northerncowboynation]

I'm confused are the yes' the ones who are better or the no's. Now there are red's and blacks. What is that? And who is Skelton, Red Skelton?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Do we get to take their WR's too?

Oh god yes, that's what the list is based on isn't it. Same talent, same schedule, same everything. It's the only way to compare. OP came up with the list, just didn't show his work. My teachers in school would have graded FAIL lol

 

[northerncowboynation]

So I'll keep my list really simple and short:

Would trade Dak for with no conditions:

Brady (he's talent and cap friendly)
Brees (although he's a little long in the tooth and would blow our cap to hell)
Rodgers
Ben
Wilson


Would trade Dak for with some conditions:

Matty Ice (as long as Dez goes with Dak and we get Matty and Julio)
Wentz/Goff (with the condition that it's a 4 year body of work not two)
Stafford (as long as EE stays around and he has a running game)

The rest, meh, I'll do battle with you any day and long as the playing field is level and the talent level on the team is some what equal.

 

[cwbyfn88]

Agreed! Brady also throws great deep and intermediate passes too. I was watching the game and that 3rd and 18 play was sweet there was also that flea flicker. Wow. Nice spiral and great velocity. He has one of the highest velocities in the NFL at 62mph


Patriots’ Tom Brady, still evolving at 40, is going deep like never before



By Adam Kilgore October 25, 2017
Tom Brady entered this year with little reason to modify his performance. In a ranking of humans with the least incentive to change, in fact, Gisele’s husband would rank somewhere near the top.

And yet, a close inspection of Brady, during another MVP-caliber year, reveals a quarterback amid personal evolution. Brady burnished his legend with short, precise passes to quicksilver receivers darting over the middle of the field. He became a master of manipulating defenses and spewing quick throws. This year, Brady has turned gunslinger, heaving bombs downfield with greater frequency than at any point in his 18-year career.

Brady’s penchant for deep throws is nothing short of a stylistic transformation. Last year, Brady attempted 49 passes thrown at least 20 yards in the air all season, according to data tracked by Pro Football Focus, which uses the 20-yard barrier to define deep passes. This season, he’s already tossed 40 deep passes, the most in the NFL.

Yup. He didn't go deep because he didn't have to. Thus why he was known as a dink and dunker. That pass to amendola for the toe tap td was lethal!!! Imagine they were strongly considering cutting Brady as he was last on the depth chart and wasn't showing signs of improvement. Boy how things have changed.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I really think we got ' deep threat' receivers out on the field during every offensive snap,,,I know I've beat this dead horse twice to death already, but that #9 guy could & would Romo-deeny around and strike it deep down field, that collection of coolness under fire he had was one of his better inherent qualities that is only being missed due to it's absence,,,, and I prolly should hurl my next glug of Jim Beam after saying this but,,,,I've noticed a little bit of that Romo-ism like quality in that Wentz q.b.

That #9 also Romo-deenied around and puked up some crazy horrible interceptions too along with some crazy WHAAAAAT, HE JUST DID THAT!! plays. The last Rom-deenie shouldn't have happened with that Seattle LB'er hitting him from behind. It's sort of like, there were plays he made that were incredible and plays he made that he shouldn't have even tried. Would he have played longer if he threw the ball away on 4-5 occasions instead of trying to make something out of nothing. *** knows. I hope Wentz has the same or similar career to Romo actually, along with the numbers, the same issues

 

[DHCBF66]

Imagine if we drafted Jimmy G when I was begging for it. People said I was crazy for wanting to waste a high pick on him. Who's crazy now?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Yup. He didn't go deep because he didn't have to. Thus why he was known as a dink and dunker. That pass to amendola for the toe tap td was lethal!!! Imagine they were strongly considering cutting Brady as he was last on the depth chart and wasn't showing signs of improvement. Boy how things have changed.

Brady's career yardage has always been inflated by his receivers RAC. Many are less than 10 yards in the air with 5-10 yards of RAC. Ah the RAC, the QB's best friend. He is the calmest QB under pressure that I've ever seen play. I just know when he's taking over a game. He, Jordan and Gretzky, no one like them

 

[northerncowboynation]

Imagine if we drafted Jimmy G when I was begging for it. People said I was crazy for wanting to waste a high pick on him. Who's crazy now?

I don't know? Who is crazy now? The best managed and coached team in the NFL parted ways with him. Things that make you go hmmmmm

 

[cwbyfn88]

Brady's career yardage has always been inflated by his receivers RAC. Many are less than 10 yards in the air with 5-10 yards of RAC. Ah the RAC, the QB's best friend. He is the calmest QB under pressure that I've ever seen play. I just know when he's taking over a game. He, Jordan and Gretzky, no one like them

Yep. Brady preffered those kind of receivers. Eddlemen amendola welker. All their rbs are pass catching elusive small guys. YAC catch guys.

 

[DHCBF66]

I don't know? Who is crazy now? The best managed and coached team in the NFL parted ways with him. Things that make you go hmmmmm

Brady is going to be around a few more seasons. Jimmy G is going to be paid, his contract is up, there is no way the Pats could afford to pay 2 QBs top dollar. It was either get something for him now or let him walk and get nothing.

 

[Melonfeud]

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Tie
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - Hell Yes on Wentz, I wanted us to trade up to get him and going from 4 to 2, wouldn't cost much
Bears - Trubisky - NO, not done enough to show he is worth it.
Packers - Rodgers - Yes - hell yes. he has a few good years and he is a game day difference maker. clutch.
Lions - Stafford - Yes. he has had no support, no run game, no good defense and he is really good.
Vikings - Keenum - No - One year wonder? prior he was cut 4 times.... right place. right time...he has to show more
Saints - Brees - Yes/Maybe. at the end of his career, but he is damn good
Falcons - Ryan - Yes. Been to playoffs, took his team to superbowl.
Panthers - Cam - Yes/Maybe. he is weird at times, but he lifts his team.
SF - Garoppolo- YES. HELL YES. prior to wanting Wentz, I wanted us to draft him in the first round. the guy has the IT
Seattle - Russel - Yes. He was their whole offense. made everything happen. been to two superbowls. won one.
Rams - Goff - Yes/Maybe. accurate, strong arm, smart. arrow is pointing up.
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - Yes
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - hahahaha
Bengals - Dalton - Yes
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO (this is who I want Dak to pattern his game after)
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Yes (Don’t have enough info on Watson and haven’t seen if he can throw) - Agree
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - Luck got injured because of crappy OL. can you imagine what he would do with our OL and running game
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes - this is a joke!!!!
Oakland - Carr - Yes/Maybe
LA - Rivers - Yes/Maybe....toward the end of his career, but he lifts his team

FYI,,,posting in 'red' is kinda verboten amongst the
' super fan' crew,figured you ought to just be aware of that,,,