Do you think Jones has been hurt by early success?

[Reverend Conehead]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

 

[links18]

The worst thing that ever happened to Jerry was Jimmy. Not really, but kind of.

 

[cowboyblue22]

jones hasn't had any success early or late the first years was jimmy and you see what has happened after the team he built was gone

 

[Wolfpack]

The record post Jimmy team indicates a .500 football team with very few playoff appearances.

 

[kuyyo_morro]

A guy who coached college national championships vs a guy a who was making money in Oil. Who would be responsible for a football team's success?

 

[DenCWBY]

This and his nepotistic ways are killing this team. What will be interesting is if his Grandson (who just commenced to play QB for Arkansas) comes out as a considered NFL prospect , what the Jones will do if he's in the draft in a few years. I would not put it past Jerry to draft his Grandson just to see him in a DC uniform no matter his level of talent.

 

[Seven]

Jones is a thief and a fraud.

He's stolen the Dallas Cowboys and holds it hostage.

He's ruined a once storied franchise and sells only hope for us fans.

Every year......we hope.

 

[Stash]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

I completely agree. I think the deal was that Jerry knew very little coming into the league and deferred to Jimmy's knowledge, especially early on. But then, Jones started to feel like he "knew something", a very powerful negative. It led to the eventual split (among other factors), and continues to shackle this team because the guy continues in the misguided belief that he now "knows football".

 

[Idgit]

I think he’s a guy who’s made a fortune taking big calculated risks trying to win in a league that’s predicated on avoiding them. If this were boxing, he’s a guy who throws haymakers trying to beat an actual tactician.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

The best thing that could happen to this team would be for Jerry to realize he's not a football genius. I also suspect he uses the atypical success of 2014 and 2016 to make him think he's on the right track.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Jerry is a brilliant owner, mediocre GM. He has brought so much innovation and positive change to the NFL he definitely deserves to be in the HOF. From a team building perspective as a GM-- he has made decisions with his heart and not his head. He's loyal to a fault-- and he's an optimist so he sees silver linings where there are none.

IMO-- he has always needed to be flanked by a strong operations minded executive that he trusts and listens too. Maybe Will McClay is heading in that direction-- but as of now, this is still Jerry and Stephen hanging onto how they hope things will work out. Failure is a great teacher-- and it only is harmful when you don't learn the lessons she's trying to teach you. The FO has not taken the lessons to heart for over 25 years now-- and I am losing hope that they ever will.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

in someways yes. the early success gave him the feeling that he knows football and how to run a football team. his ego has been in the way for the past 20 years.

 

[DallasEast]

It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.”

What do you expect of a narcissist?

Why do some people not realize Jerry Jones is a narcissist? I would think his ironclad nearly 29-year grip on the general manager's seat would be a TINY clue.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

Didn't Booger Jerrah say he could take a 100 different coaches and win the SB? That should answer your question. Jimmy gave it to him on a silver platter . . . he's the epitome of the guy that ate the goose that laid the golden egg.

And thus he's been a ** ever since trying to prove that he was right.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would not term it as "hurt", per say. How can a person be hurt by winning 3 out of 4 Super Bowls? If I came to you and said, "I'll give you a choice. I will guarantee you 3 Championships, very early on in your career but no more after that. Or, I will guarantee you no championships but I also will not guarantee that you will only win 3." What would you choose?

For the record, I don't believe it was all Jimmy and Jerry just sitting there like a Buffoon. I truly believe that those two would never have enjoyed the success, each saw, without each other. Yes, Jimmy knew about motivating players. He knew about talent and what it looked like. He knew things that Jerry did not know. That is true. On the other hand, Jerry understood finances. He understood contracts. He understood marketing. He understood how to get players Jimmy needed, to win. Lots of folks don't remember those days but in the beginning, not a lot of people thought that Jimmy was a genius, in the beginning. He was very unorthodox, about a lot of things, back in the day. What owner is going to give a guy, straight out of College, that kind of latitude to operate, in those days? Especially an owner who has just bought a team, and was leveraged to the hilt, like Jerry was?

It wasn't all just Jimmy. It was both of them, but yes. It did effect Jerry and how he looked at the NFL, IMO. Jerry has tried to recreate those teams, to a great extent, over the year. At least, IMO. Times were different then and mainly, it's the advent of the cap. It's a lot harder to recreate what you had then, now. It's not impossible because in a lot of ways, we saw Philly do it this year. They won because of depth and that, IMO, was the strength of those early 90s teams as well. I mean, sure we had great players but it was depth that really won it for us IMO. It's just a lot harder to keep that kind of depth around now. Not impossible but certainly much harder.

 

[Diehardblues]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

I think he sees it and trying to duplicate it but just without as great of HC so he’ll recieve more credit than he did with Jimmy.

While Jerry wants to win more than anyone I believe Jerry isn’t interested in winning if he’s not involved or in a position to recieve the credit he didn’t with Jimmy.

 

[CouchCoach]

Not only do I agree with the OP but will go as far to say I think without Johnson and his aggressive style, Booger doesn't even own the team past 95, let alone win 3 rings.

You have to go back in their relationship to understand the competitive level between the two. Booger would have gone the same route as Johnson, coaching, if not for the money back then. They took different paths to success but just because Booger made his money doesn't mean he lost that coaching itch. Frank Broyles and Barry Switzer inspired him but riches won out.

When Booger arrived in Dallas, he was not welcome. He wanted to break into the upper crust of Highland Park and they were having none of him. Landry was a Highland Parker and Booger was regarded as a brash, egotistical Arkansas redneck. But the sudden success became a pathway for Booger's acceptance into the community and he had arrived.

That night when Johnson refused the bend the knee was the final straw for a man so in need of the spotlight and so jealous of Johnson's swagger stealing it. That opened the door to the "500 coaches" comment which he proved but he didn't stop to consider who's guys they did that with. If he was to match Johnson, he would have to do it with his own guys.

Booger's failing is that he didn't learn from Johnson. He thought it was all about the triplets, the follow the ball part of the game. Johnson has always been about stopping the ball first and that's how he built that team. Booger has failed to duplicate that and also failed to learn from another guy with skins on the wall. I don't think Johnson tried to teach him but Parcells did and Booger ignored him and went one better by shoving the last player that Parcells would have ever signed right down his throat.

I agree that early success has played a part in these last two decades but the real failure was to not learn from that. Once you learn, change follows and that has not happened with Booger.

 

[Diehardblues]

I really don’t think Jerry would be interested in owning the Cowboys if he couldn’t play ball. He really hasn’t swerved much from his intentions initially.

 

[kskboys]

So Jerry got those three Super Bowls early on in his tenure as owner/GM. Most of us can see those championships had mostly to do with the say Jimmy ran the team, but Jones can't or won't see that. It makes me think his early success has convinced him that he's some kind of football genius and he'll figure it out without help. We've seen that in world leaders who have a lot of early success and then think they're infallible or sent by God or whatever and are in for a rude awakening. It seems like Jerry is incapable of seeing “For the good of my team, I need to step aside.” Seems like he'll be GM as long as he can sit upright. I wish he would realize he and his team would be better off if he enjoyed his twilight years retired and going on trips in the Caribbean.

No, Jones has been hurt by not having the required football knowledge to run a team. The NFL GM position is just not one you learn on the job as a GM. You only learn by being completely involved in football for years.

 

[kskboys]

Not only do I agree with the OP but will go as far to say I think without Johnson and his aggressive style, Booger doesn't even own the team past 95, let alone win 3 rings.

You have to go back in their relationship to understand the competitive level between the two. Booger would have gone the same route as Johnson, coaching, if not for the money back then. They took different paths to success but just because Booger made his money doesn't mean he lost that coaching itch. Frank Broyles and Barry Switzer inspired him but riches won out.

When Booger arrived in Dallas, he was not welcome. He wanted to break into the upper crust of Highland Park and they were having none of him. Landry was a Highland Parker and Booger was regarded as a brash, egotistical Arkansas redneck. But the sudden success became a pathway for Booger's acceptance into the community and he had arrived.

That night when Johnson refused the bend the knee was the final straw for a man so in need of the spotlight and so jealous of Johnson's swagger stealing it. That opened the door to the "500 coaches" comment which he proved but he didn't stop to consider who's guys they did that with. If he was to match Johnson, he would have to do it with his own guys.

Booger's failing is that he didn't learn from Johnson. He thought it was all about the triplets, the follow the ball part of the game. Johnson has always been about stopping the ball first and that's how he built that team. Booger has failed to duplicate that and also failed to learn from another guy with skins on the wall. I don't think Johnson tried to teach him but Parcells did and Booger ignored him and went one better by shoving the last player that Parcells would have ever signed right down his throat.

I agree that early success has played a part in these last two decades but the real failure was to not learn from that. Once you learn, change follows and that has not happened with Booger.

Good stuff!!!

I especially like the "follow the ball" explanation. Spot on.