I'm almost to the point where I don't blame Garrett

[Diehardblues]

It took Landry 6 seasons before his first winning year. That’s when he won his COY year in 1966.

We had fans who highly criticized Murchison extending Landry’s contract 10 years before he had a winning season .

How could we have known the success he was to have or how good of Coach he was to be?

I suspect that most coaches who make this level are good coaches looking for the right situation and key talent . We’ve seen great coaches reduced to average or less without key talent.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Fans sure like to complain about his coaching style (clapping, when a play is over, seriously... that's your problem) Not sure what they want here. Do they want someone who rants and raves and stomps his feet up and down the line, cussing out players and throwing clipboards and headsets around (then we would complain about how he throws temper tantrums and is not fit to be our beloved coach). Or maybe we prefer some one who remains motionless and stoic with a professional poker face (then we would complain that he just doesn't care and again, he is unfit to be our beloved coach). I get it people, you are simply tired of him, tired of not winning a ring, tired of him learning on the job, tired of clock management. And some of those are very valid concerns and I think that is what irritates people the most. However, once a play is over, then its over. You cannot change what just happened. But you do still have some say in how the next play may shake out. To me, his clapping is just another way of saying " Ok, we screwed that up, but that play is over. Get your head up, focus and execute the next play. The game isn't over yet". It doesn't appear to me that his coaching style is to belittle, badger, or rip a player on national TV. I don't know whether or not those mistakes or errors are addressed later on, maybe in the film room, locker, or his office. OK, what if he suddenly just stopped clapping, altogether, good play, bad play, win or lose. Would that make you happier? OF COURSE NOT. We would just find something else to groan about, because that is what we do as fans. Here's to having a better year next year with hopefully no excess drama on the field, on the sidelines, or off the field. Lord, there is so much drama going on these days, it is hard to just enjoy a game anymore. Anywhooo, that's my 222 cents. Go Cowboys!

You obviously missed the Landry years..........nobody complained about Landry's sideline demeanor.

 

[Bobhaze]

Yep..

I’m not really sure most fans can accurately evaluate coaching without the results of the game or records of the season??

Was Jimmy a crappy coach when he was 1-15? He won his COY when he was 7-9 before he’d ever had a winning season. Just saying..

I think the key regarding a head coach is what they do over time. I think in the NFL, 3-5 years is a good enough sample size to judge a coach. The bad evidence against Garrett is 2 playoff appearnces in 7 years. Other than Mike Brown in Cincy, I can't think of another NFL GM who would keep a head coach with that kind of track record. #dysfunctional

 

[Diehardblues]

I think the key regarding a head coach is what they do over time. I think in the NFL, 3-5 years is a good enough sample size to judge a coach. The bad evidence against Garrett is 2 playoff appearnces in 7 years. Other than Mike Brown in Cincy, I can't think of another NFL GM who would keep a head coach with that kind of track record. #dysfunctional

I understand and agree to a point but again is that bad coaching or more of an example of the talent and situation?

Is every coach the Browns bring in a bad coach or is it more about bad situations and lack of talent ?

Was Jimmy a back coach when he went to the Dolphins? Why didn’t Parcells have as much success here?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

It took Landry 6 seasons before his first winning year. That’s when he won his COY year in 1966.

True, but then Landry started his 6 years with a totally new team, with zero draft picks and the other teams getting to protect 42 of the 45 players on their roster (numbers may be off a couple).

 

[Bobhaze]

I understand and agree to a point but again is that bad coaching or more of an example of the talent and situation?

Is every coach the Browns bring in a bad coach or is it more about bad situations and lack of talent ?

Was Jimmy a back coach when he went to the Dolphins? Why didn’t Parcells have as much success here?

Fair or not...every head football coach in every healthy school or pro organization is expected to win within a certain time frame or they are moved on. I think that's fair.

Jerry has that famous quote of himself pasted on the walls of the Star entrance, made on the night he bought the team in 1989: "We must win, we will win; winning is the name of the game." Does Jerry still believe that?

 

[Diehardblues]

If our argument is Garrett has only made the playoffs in 2 of his 7 full seasons , how many did we see a playoff caliber team?

Those 8-8 teams were some of the worst defenses in Cowboy history. Without Romo we’re probably a 4 or 5 win team.

I’d argue last year might be only season we had a team that might could have made the playoffs that didn’t and probably would have without the Elliott suspension. Maybe..

 

[Diehardblues]

Fair or not...every head football coach in every healthy school or pro organization is expected to win within a certain time frame or they are moved on. I think that's fair.

Jerry has that famous quote of himself pasted on the walls of the Star entrance, made on the night he bought the team in 1989: "We must win, we will win; winning is the name of the game." Does Jerry still believe that?

No, I don’t think he does believe that anymore . At that time winning was necessary to remain solvent financially and why we were losing money when he bought the team .

And again I’m not arguing if it’s fair . No doubt winning is a measurement. My bigger argument is does winning truly define how good of Coach you are?

Winning doesn’t always define the level of talent of a player. And you can only coach up a player or team so far is all Im saying.

We’ve argued Marinelli has made the most of Jags without more team success. Just saying..

 

[Diehardblues]

So, let’s say we make the playoffs this year. Then that’s making the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and 4 winning records in 5 years .

Does that suddenly make his coaching better?

 

[Bobhaze]

So, let’s say we make the playoffs this year. Then that’s making the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and 4 winning records in 5 years .

Does that suddenly make his coaching better?

It might! “Winning is the name of the game!” Lol!

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s basically using stats and facts to support a narrative . It’s not truly evaluating coaching ability.

IMO Garrett has made the most of the team and talent he’s had beginning with 2010 taking over.

The 8-8 years some of the best coaching we’ve seen this era with awful teams.

2014 we were on the brink of going further than we had in almost 20 years. That’s progress!!

Then we lose our franchise QB in 2015 and again in 2016. Basically having to start over and reshape the team again.

Personally considering the obstacles, distractions and turnover in talent in last 7+ years I’m very pleased with Garrett.

 

[Diehardblues]

It might! “Winning is the name of the game!” Lol!

Which supports my argument that most fans only evaluate with winning or losing . They don’t know how to evaluate talent otherwise which would explain much.

If the Cowboys begin winning more it’s not going to be because Garrett becomes a better coach anymore than Jimmy became stupid when he went to Miami.

Coaches fate rest on their teams ability to win more than their coaching ability.

 

[Diehardblues]

True, but then Landry started his 6 years with a totally new team, with zero draft picks and the other teams getting to protect 42 of the 45 players on their roster (numbers may be off a couple).

The point is how did fans recognize Landry was a good coach until the team started winning?

Did we call Belichick the greatest HC when he was in Cleveland? Just saying...

 

[silvrNblue]

It’s basically using stats and facts to support a narrative . It’s not truly evaluating coaching ability.

IMO Garrett has made the most of the team and talent he’s had beginning with 2010 taking over.

The 8-8 years some of the best coaching we’ve seen this era with awful teams.

2014 we were on the brink of going further than we had in almost 20 years. That’s progress!!

Then we lose our franchise QB in 2015 and again in 2016. Basically having to start over and reshape the team again.

Personally considering the obstacles, distractions and turnover in talent in last 7+ years I’m very pleased with Garrett.

Tell all this to Philly.... new HC's in what 4 of their last 5 years? A rookie NFL HC, last season, this season brings home the Lombardi, THAT all while missing his franchise QB, and a boatload of other starters..... sorry, the clapping carrot IS this teams failure. 2016 WAS clappers year to do or die.... and we all know how he ended that now don't we. He is at best a lack luster leader, all his clapping tells me is he's a dufus who like that cat in a room tells a bad or offhanded joke, all he can do is laugh at himself.

 

[Diehardblues]

Tell all this to Philly.... new HC's in what 4 of their last 5 years? A rookie NFL HC, last season, this season brings home the Lombardi, THAT all while missing his franchise QB, and a boatload of other starters..... sorry, the clapping carrot IS this teams failure. 2016 WAS clappers year to do or die.... and we all know how he ended that now don't we. He is at best a lack luster leader, all his clapping tells me is he's a dufus who like that cat in a room tells a bad or offhanded joke, all he can do is laugh at himself.

Pederson was ranked 30th HC last year by USA Today. He wins SB and is now a genius. Lol

More fans ranking coaching ability by teams success.

When we have an elite defense and or QB they’ll make whoever our HC is look great.

Great coaches build teams!! Great players or performances win championships .

And Jerry is this teams failure. Garrett is a product of it.

 

[silvrNblue]

SO your saying the players did this all by their lonesome?/? Good to know, then we really don't need the clapping moron, now do we?

 

[acr731]

Which supports my argument that most fans only evaluate with winning or losing . They don’t know how to evaluate talent otherwise which would explain much.

If the Cowboys begin winning more it’s not going to be because Garrett becomes a better coach anymore than Jimmy became stupid when he went to Miami.

Coaches fate rest on their teams ability to win more than their coaching ability.

Say that to the NE Patriots. No team in the history has been able to get the most out of taking scraps from other teams and make the super bowl better than 75% of the time. They're good because of their coaching, for the most part.

 

[Diehardblues]

SO your saying the players did this all by their lonesome?/? Good to know, then we really don't need the clapping moron, now do we?

I’m saying we’re only as good as our talent and their performances.

No, we don’t need Garrett if you get rid of Jerry or if he’d attract a coach who he’d let build a better team.

Great coaches build talented teams . When I see a championship caliber team here again I’ll let you know .

But I won’t need to see them win a championship to know they’re a championship caliber contender.

 

[Diehardblues]

Say that to the NE Patriots. No team in the history has been able to get the most out of taking scraps from other teams and make the super bowl better than 75% of the time. They're good because of their coaching, for the most part.

Their coaching has continued to surround Brady with enough talent and Bill is a great defensive coach . Bill knows how to work the Salary Cap .

How do you think he’d of done without Brady , his own coaching staff and without full control of personnel with a meddling owner?

He was a 11-5 coach missing the playoffs the only season without Brady. Similar to how he did in Cleveland .

 

[acr731]

Their coaching has continued to surround Brady with enough talent and Bill is a great defensive coach . Bill knows how to work the Salary Cap .

How do you think he’d of done without Brady , his own coaching staff and without full control of personnel with a meddling owner?

He was a 11-5 coach missing the playoffs the only season without Brady. Similar to how he did in Cleveland .

Like the year before last when Brady was suspended? They went 3-1. You mentioned yourself the only season he missed significant time when they went 11-5. Bill can win without Brady - he's proven he can. He hasn't had to do it very often, though.

Let me know when Garrett is able to overcome adversity and cope with injuries. Obviously Philly can get the job done when missing several starters. Garrett folds like a cheap tent if someone gets a hangnail.