Can DJ Moore be an effective 1 WR in the NFL?

[Bobhaze]

I think he'd be a reach at 19. Might be just a slot WR.

I see DJ Moore as a fast slot receiver, like a Randall Cobb. Which is no slouch. But I don’t see him as a guy who can handle big corners who get in his grill with press coverage. This is where college game highlights are deceiving. Most college WRs see very little if any press coverage where they have to fight to get off the LOS. The NFL has more than a handful of Corners who can make route running difficult at times. Just look at Dez last year.

I like DJ Moore but the love fest here is a little much. He’s a very good young WR. Will he be successful at the next level? Yeah, like 50-60 catches a year successful eventually. But is he a long time #1 type guy, future All Pro?. I have some doubts.

 

[kskboys]

how is it not? WR's rarely run 40 yards straight down the field. if that is not the test of long speed I don't know what is. Im just trying to understand your logic. You think a 6 foot 190 pound ridley is an outside receiver yet you think a 6 foot 210 pound 4.43 WR is a slot guy? its not adding up.

I'm not the one asserting this. It's well known in scouting reports that the 40 is not a test of long speed. I mean, you can seriously ask anyone. You're the first I've ever heard say that it was, to tell the truth. I was sort of flabbergasted when you said it. Not being mean, sorry if it comes across that way, it just shocked me that anyone would think so.

The only evaluations I've seen of long speed is from scouts watching the game. As far as I know, they have no tests for long speed at the combine.

 

[NolanRyan77]

I see DJ Moore as a fast slot receiver, like a Randall Cobb. Which is no slouch. But I don’t see him as a guy who can handle big corners who get in his grill with press coverage. This is where college game highlights are deceiving. Most college WRs see very little if any press coverage where they have to fight to get off the LOS. The NFL has more than a handful of Corners who can make route running difficult at times. Just look at Dez last year.

I like DJ Moore but the love fest here is a little much. He’s a very good young WR. Will he be successful at the next level? Yeah, like 50-60 catches a year successful eventually. But is he a long time #1 type guy, future All Pro?. I have some doubts.

I agree and disagree with your statements. I do not think there is anything to prove he can not handle being an outside receiver. He has the build, speed and explosion that is necessary. Is he a number 1? That I do agree with you, I do not know.

 

[NolanRyan77]

I'm not the one asserting this. It's well known in scouting reports that the 40 is not a test of long speed. I mean, you can seriously ask anyone. You're the first I've ever heard say that it was, to tell the truth. I was sort of flabbergasted when you said it. Not being mean, sorry if it comes across that way, it just shocked me that anyone would think so.

The only evaluations I've seen of long speed is from scouts watching the game. As far as I know, they have no tests for long speed at the combine.

Literally when it comes to football the 40 is the only thing that would even be considered the test of long speed. I mean maybe a 60 yard dash but that does not get recorded or tested for. Im not sure why you are so shocked. If running 40 yards in a straight line is not considered a test of long speed then what is?

 

[kskboys]

I see DJ Moore as a fast slot receiver, like a Randall Cobb. Which is no slouch. But I don’t see him as a guy who can handle big corners who get in his grill with press coverage. This is where college game highlights are deceiving. Most college WRs see very little if any press coverage where they have to fight to get off the LOS. The NFL has more than a handful of Corners who can make route running difficult at times. Just look at Dez last year.

I like DJ Moore but the love fest here is a little much. He’s a very good young WR. Will he be successful at the next level? Yeah, like 50-60 catches a year successful eventually. But is he a long time #1 type guy, future All Pro?. I have some doubts.

WR's under 6 foot rarely rarely make good #1's. The only two #1's in the NFL who are under 6 that I can think of are Brown at 5-10 and OBJ at 5-11. Oh, Hilton, there's another.

Slot guys like Edelmann and Jarvis Landry catch a ton of passes out of the slot, and could be called #1 WR's.

 

[buybuydandavis]

CONCERNS
DJ is a slot receiver with running back skills very much like Randall Cobb. He will struggle if used as an outside receiver because of a lack of height and pure speed. He has good speed but he is more quick than fast and unless he is matched up with a strong armed QB who can get the ball into tight areas, DJ’s impact position will be on special teams and as a slot receiver.

Bad fit for our current roster. We've got 2 slot WRs, need help at true wideout, and with more speed, both weaknesses of DJ.

 

[kskboys]

Literally when it comes to football the 40 is the only thing that would even be considered the test of long speed. I mean maybe a 60 yard dash but that does not get recorded or tested for. Im not sure why you are so shocked. If running 40 yards in a straight line is not considered a test of long speed then what is?

Watching WR's in games.

Ask around, I think it's general knowledge that the 40 is not a test of long speed.

I often see multiple CB's, for instance, who run sub 4.5's, sometimes in the low 4.4's, who can't cover long. And the opposite is also true, there are often guys w/ poor 40 times who have good long speed. Brown ran a 4.56, Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63, and Jerry Rice ran a 4.7.

The 40 is a poor indicator of long speed.

 

[Bobhaze]

I agree and disagree with your statements. I do not think there is anything to prove he can not handle being an outside receiver. He has the build, speed and explosion that is necessary. Is he a number 1? That I do agree with you, I do not know.

Yeah, and the thing with taking a WR in round 1 is IMO a big risk and possible waste because unless a 1st round WR has big immediate impact, you often would have been better off taking a difference maker that impacts immediately at another position.

I have always believed unless a guy is a Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson type guy, be careful about taking them in round 1. But hey...I’ve been wrong before!

 

[NolanRyan77]

Watching WR's in games.

Ask around, I think it's general knowledge that the 40 is not a test of long speed.

I often see multiple CB's, for instance, who run sub 4.5's, sometimes in the low 4.4's, who can't cover long. And the opposite is also true, there are often guys w/ poor 40 times who have good long speed. Brown ran a 4.56, Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63, and Jerry Rice ran a 4.7.

The 40 is a poor indicator of long speed.

I think you are mistaking long speed and catch up speed with CB's. you can not sit here and tell me kirk and ridley have better long speed than moore and not have any proof. Brown, Fitz, and Rice all were damn good route runners. Wr's have a lot of different ways to create separation whether than be a big body, speed, or great route running ability.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Bad fit for our current roster. We've got 2 slot WRs, need help at true wideout, and with more speed, both weaknesses of DJ.

Is Moore faster than Terrance Williams, yes or no?

 

[NolanRyan77]

Yeah, and the thing with taking a WR in round 1 is IMO a big risk and possible waste because unless a 1st round WR has big immediate impact, you often would have been better off taking a difference maker that impacts immediately at another position.

I have always believed unless a guy is a Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson type guy, be careful about taking them in round 1. But hey...I’ve been wrong before!

I get what you are saying but most positions have a transition period anyways unless its an olineman or RB. They can make an immediate impact but almost any other position has a transition period where the first year is not exactly great.

 

[Bobhaze]

WR's under 6 foot rarely rarely make good #1's. The only two #1's in the NFL who are under 6 that I can think of are Brown at 5-10 and OBJ at 5-11. Oh, Hilton, there's another.

Slot guys like Edelmann and Jarvis Landry catch a ton of passes out of the slot, and could be called #1 WR's.

Most great slot receivers were not first round picks. Landry was a 2nd rounder...Edelman was a 6th or 7th rounder if I remember right.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Is Moore faster than Terrance Williams, yes or no?

I would say now there are about the same. Williams coming out was a 4.37 guy, but he is such a bad and unnatural hands catcher that I really do not like him at all.

 

[Bobhaze]

I would say now there are about the same. Williams coming out was a 4.37 guy, but he is such a bad and unnatural hands catcher that I really do not like him at all.

T-Will is fast. But I’m not sure he could catch a cold right now, lol.

 

[NolanRyan77]

T-Will is fast. But I’m not sure he could catch a cold right now, lol.

hahaha I would have to agree man. I know its not easy being an NFL player but goodness gracious, after the 3 passes that tipped of his hands for pick 6's I would just rather move on from him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I would say now there are about the same. Williams coming out was a 4.37 guy, but he is such a bad and unnatural hands catcher that I really do not like him at all.

Terrence Williams ran a 4.52 at the combine

 

[kskboys]

I think you are mistaking long speed and catch up speed with CB's. you can not sit here and tell me kirk and ridley have better long speed than moore and not have any proof. Brown, Fitz, and Rice all were damn good route runners. Wr's have a lot of different ways to create separation whether than be a big body, speed, or great route running ability.

It would behoove you to read more scouting reports. You can claim there's not proof of anything if you want, like the moon landing. However, I really think you should go ask some really knowledgeable football guys, it's really just a well known fact that the 40 doesn't measure long speed.

Apparently Moore is your pet cat. I have mine also. It's OK, however, if he's not perfect. Not admitting he doesn't have the long speed of other WR's doesn't make him acquire it.

Catch up speed and long speed can be the same thing. It's like two different assets, not sure how they can be compared. Catch up speed is not a term widely used, the terms used for mirroring a WR for a Cb are generally burst out of the breaks, lateral agility, and long speed. If the term "catch up speed" were defined, it would apparently be a combination of burst and simply pure speed.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Terrence Williams ran a 4.52 at the combine

man for some reason I thought it was in the high 4.3's. lol that makes me want to get rid of him even more

 

[stilltheguru88]

I would say now there are about the same. Williams coming out was a 4.37 guy, but he is such a bad and unnatural hands catcher that I really do not like him at all.

Why did he run a 4.52 at the combine then? And he never looked like a 4.3 guy on the field. This is why I’m trying to understand what makes Williams an outside wr but not Moore.

 

[kskboys]

man for some reason I thought it was in the high 4.3's. lol that makes me want to get rid of him even more

From what I understand, we took TWill strictly because he caught a lot of passes in college. And that is an extremely poor way to judge college players coming in.

Keenan Allen went 2 picks later to SD, and he was a much better prospects. Incidentally, he ddropped to the 3rd round due to running poorly at the combine.