NFL Officiating Scandal

[BlindFaith]

You spend 98% of your time scoffing and trying to disprove conspiracy theories, but it's not getting you anywhere. NO ONE has changed their minds. Most folks KNOW we don't live in a black and white world. Most folks KNOW the wealthiest 2% have an agenda. Most folks KNOW there are too many coincidences. Is this particular subject "fishy"? One could easily assume "yes", but who knows? But you keep on keepin' on, Don Quixote!

How is it fishy that both catches were catches based on the rules at the time?

Seems more fishy that some guys who have never taken the 30 minutes required to look up the rule book and read through it (like 90% of fans) are just highly confused and now think the new rules are the only way it could have been ruled a catch.

 

[MarcusRock]

How is it fishy that both catches were catches based on the rules at the time?

Seems more fishy that some guys who have never taken the 30 minutes required to look up the rule book and read through it (like 90% of fans) are just highly confused and now think the new rules are the only way it could have been ruled a catch.

No one thinks for themselves on anything and just runs with the headline, especially if it's what they want to believe. Knee jerk emotion. Remember how almost everyone ran with the report that the Dez catch actually should have been ruled a catch back in 2014 when they first started talking about a rule change that instead would make plays like that a catch in the future? I don't know what the keyboard equivalent of foaming at the mouth is, but it was on full display in that thread.

 

[BlindFaith]

No one thinks for themselves on anything and just runs with the headline, especially if it's what they want to believe. Knee jerk emotion. Remember how almost everyone ran with the report that the Dez catch actually should have been ruled a catch back in 2014 when they first started talking about a rule change that instead would make plays like that a catch in the future? I don't know what the keyboard equivalent of foaming at the mouth is, but it was on full display in that thread.

It's a broader issue. There were all kinds of reputable sites that relayed that same false narrative.

But I also agree that people now think it's acceptable to just think whatever they want to think, even if it is factually incorrect. People like to live in their own "sphere" of knowledge.

 

[Kaiser]

Why would anyone follow a sport if they actually believe all of that?

Do you believe Barry Bonds was juicing? Do you believe Pete Rose bet on baseball? Do you believe NFL players, including the Cowboys, used anabolic steroids in the 70s and 80's?

They did, so why don't you just go away.

 

[Kaiser]

Because emotion tells people they have to believe something so that's what they do without thinking. I simply like seeing what happens when rationality is thrown into the equation. I don't necessarily have to get anywhere. I'm not the one suffering from the persecution complex ulcers.

No, you are the one emotionally posting condescension. You and Jake above are the other side of the same coin.

@percyhoward posted the stats, judgement calls against the Cowboys were league average until the week Jerry challenged Godell's contract and then they vanished. That is stastically impossible. If you actually watched the games you saw DLaw getting tackled without a flag and then phantom calls against the Cowboys came at key moments like the Chargers game. DLaw has never complained about anything publicly and he said it. Writers like Cavanaugh and Helman that have nothing to gain and plenty to lose by writing it - were writing it.

I've been on Cowboy message boards since the 1990s and have always said there is no referree conspiracy against the Cowboys to make bad calls. Most bad calls are just bad calls and they even out. But in the Goodell era its a completely different thing and the numbers prove it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

No, you are the one emotionally posting condescension. You and Jake above are the other side of the same coin.

@percyhoward posted the stats, judgement calls against the Cowboys were league average until the week Jerry challenged Godell's contract and then they vanished. That is stastically impossible. If you actually watched the games you saw DLaw getting tackled without a flag and then phantom calls against the Cowboys came at key moments like the Chargers game. DLaw has never complained about anything publicly and he said it. Writers like Cavanaugh and Helman that have nothing to gain and plenty to lose by writing it - were writing it.

I've been on Cowboy message boards since the 1990s and have always said there is no referree conspiracy against the Cowboys to make bad calls. Most bad calls are just bad calls and they even out. But in the Goodell era its a completely different thing and the numbers prove it.

Yes or no, did you watch every NFL game this season and can definitively say there were no blatant missed calls?

 

[Kaiser]

Yes or no, did you watch every NFL game this season and can definitively say there were no blatant missed calls?

No, I didn't watch every NFL game but the stats I'm referencing cover every NFL game. I don't get your point, I'm not quoting my observations. I didn't see every start Dak Prescott made in college but it doesn't mean I can't quote his college stats.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

No, I didn't watch every NFL game but the stats I'm referencing cover every NFL game. I don't get your point, I'm not quoting my observations. I didn't see every start Dak Prescott made in college but it doesn't mean I can't quote his college stats.

You're referencing very specific plays (i.e. "Lawerence getting tackled...no flag...") because you're a Cowboys fan that watches every game with deep interest.

The point is every team can make claims to non-calls, league bias, phantom calls, et cetera, and even point to very specific plays that you aren't aware of because you don't watch the Buccaneer, Titans or Rams, with the same frequency or interest as you do the Cowboys.

When you realize this happens to every team you realize it's infinitely less likely there's a league wide bias against the Cowboys and much more likely there's just poor refereeing.

 

[Kaiser]

The point is every team can make claims to non-calls, league bias, phantom calls, et cetera, and even point to very specific plays that you aren't aware of because you don't watch the Buccaneer, Titans or Rams, with the same frequency or interest as you do the Cowboys..

That's why I began my post with the stats from Percy about the calls that show a complete statistical anomaly from pre-challenging Goodell to post-challenging Goodell. The Charger game was one example I used afterward, it isn't my whole argument. Those are the stats of the entire NFL, not just the Cowboys.

Judgement calls against an opposing team average about 4 per game. Dallas was right at that prior to Jerry challenging Goodell's contract and the week Goodell was challenged judgement calls literally stopped. It isn't just poor refereeing if its only against one team and it goes on for half a season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

No, you are the one emotionally posting condescension. You and Jake above are the other side of the same coin.

@percyhoward posted the stats, judgement calls against the Cowboys were league average until the week Jerry challenged Godell's contract and then they vanished. That is stastically impossible. If you actually watched the games you saw DLaw getting tackled without a flag and then phantom calls against the Cowboys came at key moments like the Chargers game. DLaw has never complained about anything publicly and he said it. Writers like Cavanaugh and Helman that have nothing to gain and plenty to lose by writing it - were writing it.

I've been on Cowboy message boards since the 1990s and have always said there is no referree conspiracy against the Cowboys to make bad calls. Most bad calls are just bad calls and they even out. But in the Goodell era its a completely different thing and the numbers prove it.

It happens to other team's as well. For example, I saw an article talking about the AFC Championship Game and that the Jags were called for pass interference only 9 times the entire season, but got 4 PI flags in the game with the Pats. This is clearly well beyond the league average for them, so is this a case of biased officiating to help the Pats win?

There are only two possibilities...........either officiating is horrible, league wide or the games are being fixed.

Now if you, or anybody else, believes the games are being fixed, why do you still watch or follow the league? Why do you follow what the team does in free agency, the draft, trades, or anything else? What is the point of any of this if the games are predetermined? Who we draft in the first round means jack if the NFL head office decides who wins.

Its like the WWE. I used to watch wrestling growing up and knew who all the characters were and what their favorite moves in the ring were and I just couldn't watch enough of it. Then when I started getting older, I started to figure out that it was all fake and the matches were just orchestrated events and the story lines were all just made up to increase ratings. Once I realized it was all fake, my enjoyment level disappeared and I stop watching. As a result, I have not watched a wrestling show in over 25 years.

So, as the other poster stated, if you believe the NFL head office is dictating who wins games through officiating, ergo NFL games are predetermined, why do you are anybody else still watch or have any interest in the league?

 

[MarcusRock]

That's why I began my post with the stats from Percy about the calls that show a complete statistical anomaly from pre-challenging Goodell to post-challenging Goodell. The Charger game was one example I used afterward, it isn't my whole argument. Those are the stats of the entire NFL, not just the Cowboys.

Judgement calls against an opposing team average about 4 per game. Dallas was right at that prior to Jerry challenging Goodell's contract and the week Goodell was challenged judgement calls literally stopped. It isn't just poor refereeing if its only against one team and it goes on for half a season.

Did you check the stats yourself or just trust that someone else did all the work correctly? If you haven't been paying attention, percy also believes that the NFL catch rules changed in their essence from 2014 to 2015 as part of some conspiracy coverup on the Dez no-catch the season before. However, with such a controversial play, there is no support for that "theory" anywhere in the sports world whatsoever. In fact, all there is are multiple sources of support for the opposite of that theory but he never answers the question when I ask if he has support for his own made up theory. How convenient. I guess it's one of them thar far-reaching conspiracies I bet, huh?

Desperately wanting to see something crooked doesn't always mean it is but when you go headlong into the abyss without even checking for yourself you don't even want the truth, you just want your own way. "We wuz robbed" is the battle cry of the emotional who can't accept losing so they have to pin it on "something."

 

[MarcusRock]

So, as the other poster stated, if you believe the NFL head office is dictating who wins games through officiating, ergo NFL games are predetermined, why do you are anybody else still watch or have any interest in the league?

Because as Nostradamus said all those years ago, the resistance movement to the world wide conspiracy will begin on a Dallas Cowboys message board. They're waiting for the right moment and preparing us in the meantime. Lol.

 

[Melonfeud]

Further, there's this on the Clement catch from that "article."

'Referee Gene Steratore, who was mic’d up for the game, said this when explaining the decision to another official, said this:
“It sticks here and then it goes there, but he never loses control. Is there a little ball movement? Yes. But that does not deem
loss of control. You know? It goes from here, sticks on the forearm, right back to the hand, touchdown.” '​

If that quote is true, Steratore is quoting the current catch rule that states:

"Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must
lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession."

https://operations.nfl.com/media/2646/2017-playing-rules.pdf
Bottom of Page 39 in the PDF file (p. 31 in the rule book)​

But never let the facts get in the way of a CONSPIRACY!

that's 'my' 3x5" index card ZEBRA shirted HERO flag caster


Pretty sure he was the 'leading edge' of a septic tank assault tsunami in 2014,,,er,,, it had to be that" inside the casing-liner" smirking he was sporting in that Raiders 3x5" index card game of last season that pulled me back into the fold of "GENE the OFFICIAL of NFL laws" FANDOM!

* Man,we've been getting HOSED coming & going,,, perennially,,,it was rather enjoyable to witness
( however brief & meaningless as it was) for once ,even if it was nationally televised being as blatantly obvious as it was! that hose getting stuck up the 'other guys' casing-liner for ONCE

 

[Kaiser]

Did you check the stats yourself or just trust that someone else did all the work correctly?

Lol! You mean the stats you haven't read but know are wrong? No emotion there, thanks for sharing all that logic, Mr Spock!

Percy can share his thread, I'll post some of the others below. Go ahead and read them, then point to the place on the doll where the bad emotions hurt you.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/holding-call-stats-confirmed.391218/


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/timeline-of-goodells-contract-and-holding-penalties.391290/


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/sullivan-and-helman-on-the-holding-calls.392613/

 

[Kaiser]

We wuz robbed" is the battle cry of the emotional who can't accept losing so they have to pin it on "something."

No one called it losing, you might have missed this but the team finished 9-7. The science of what see on this page is called the Dunning-Kruger effect, and its from your side of the argument:

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[MarcusRock]

No one called it losing, you might have missed this but the team finished 9-7. The science of what see on this page is called the Dunning-Kruger effect, and its from your side of the argument:

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

We finished 12-4 the year we lost to Green Bay at Lambeau but we got "hosed" by the refs in that game too, didn't we? There was even conspiracy at work that placed us last in the tiebreaker with Seattle and Green Bay that year, lol. No matter where we lose short of the Super Bowl there'll be conspiracy theorists who can't accept it and try to blame a force bigger than what took place on the field that day.

Love the psychology reference but when one is triggered, perhaps it's not the other's supposed superiority that's causing a stir within but one's own insecurity and the resulting chest-beating, tough guy act drawn up to compensate.

 

[GORICO]

Last night on NFL Live they had a segment reporting from the owners meeting where they discussed the rules changes. During this segment, they said & then reiterated to clarify that the NFL office officiated the Super Bowl under the catch rule that was just passed, not the rule that has been in place for the last however many years (& was still in place). When they went back to the studio, the panelist openly showed shock & disbelief at what they had just heard.

The NFL brass took it upon themselves to unilaterally change how the most important game of the year was officiated without anyone's input or knowledge.

So far, I haven't heard a peep out of the media questioning this.

it was a good catch....ertz i believe..not even close for discussion in my opinion

 

[ESisback]

Eight games in a row without s single holding penalty against the opposition ...what a coincidence!

 

[Kaiser]

Eight games in a row without s single holding penalty against the opposition ...what a coincidence!

Total coincidence, like this play with a Cowboy getting his jersey stuck in a Chargers hand.

 

[Kaiser]

Love the psychology reference but when one is triggered, perhaps it's not the other's supposed superiority that's causing a stir within but one's own insecurity and the resulting chest-beating, tough guy act drawn up to compensate.

I can't decide if this is more dumb than wimpy or more wimpy than dumb.