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[lostar2009]

I am of the mindset this team is snake bitten all the way down from the FO to the jock strap cleaning guy. Dallas will get ET, and the wheels will proceed to fall off due to multiple disastrous injuries, why you say because that is the book on this team. Regardless if ET is signed at least 3 starters will miss at least 6 games each due to injury with all of them overlapping where you are down three starters for 3 games.

I know right. It sounds like too much for a player. Give up draft picks then sign him to a huge deal. This may be one gutsy move to make right now. It can back fire or take this team over the top.

 

[Stash]

Sure, not arguing that. IMO it will come down to value of said players at each position and the potential drop off between a LVE/Evans to a day 2 LB and a Wynn/Hernandez to a guy like Price/Ragnow/Smith.

And the playing time and lack of playing time for the players and positions as well.

And it will also come down to what they already have on the roster. Collins started at LG, yesterday, with Fleming at RT. Of course they'll be experimenting more and it's not written in ink just yet. (Edit: can't find that tweet anymore of the Depth chart)

Hell, I could even see a Dt taken in round 1 if they don't feel confident in Irving long term.

Don't think they are set at which spot they want to go with in round 1.

Neither do I, nor should they be. Any more than anyone should say "guard in the 2nd round!" We have no idea whatsoever who will be available where. Therefore, it's foolish to lock anything in as any sort of absolute.

Despite my endorsement of taking Hernandez or Wynn in the first round, if a better value lines up elsewhere somehow, I'd change my direction too.

But that position isn't linebacker in my opinion, no matter who falls, because the guy simply won't play enough to warrant the first round pick.

 

[Stash]

MAX-hope it would be even less.

Yeah, that's my MAX as well.

The fact is that despite getting out from under several big deals next year (Romo, Bryant), there are still several potential huge deals on the horizon. Adding another huge deal would make things even tougher.

 

[dallasdave]

Yeah, that's my MAX as well.

The fact is that despite getting out from under several big deals next year (Romo, Bryant), there are still several potential huge deals on the horizon. Adding another huge deal would make things even tougher.

Next year could be the year Dallas has lots of money to sign some playmakers !!!

 

[John813]

And the playing time and lack of playing time for the players and positions as well.




Neither do I, nor should they be. Any more than anyone should say "guard in the 2nd round!" We have no idea whatsoever who will be available where. Therefore, it's foolish to lock anything in as any sort of absolute.

Despite my endorsement of taking Hernandez or Wynn in the first round, if a better value lines up elsewhere somehow, I'd change my direction too.

But that position isn't linebacker in my opinion, no matter who falls, because the guy simply won't play enough to warrant the first round pick.

They took Taco last year over a guy like King, cause they thought TC was the last decent edge player and had a good assumption that they could still fill the CB need later in the draft.
And Taco never started last year. Of course LB spot isn't as picky as a DE but I don't think it's out of the question they take a position like LB, WR(meh) or DT with the idea that said player can be a stud for them in a year or two.

I'm not really locked on a certain position in certain rounds. While I like LVE, I'm not in a LVE or THIS TEAM BLOOOWWWS mindset. Quite a few positions they can go in rounds 1/2 and it can make sense why they went that route.

 

[lostar2009]

Exactly.

And these 2017 numbers say essentially the same thing:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2017-snap-counts.htm

But as many times as I bring up this fact, fans don't want to hear it.

There's a stubborn fixation that because the team has invested 1st round picks at other spots on the offensive line, it rules out using another one, even if the player value lines up and the need is there.

Despite the fact that you would keep the engine of this team intact and humming along. Despite the fact that this new guy would be far and away the lowest cost player on the offensive line - for five years.

No, there's this "defense, defense, defense" mentality, where you have to draft on that side of the ball no matter what. No matter whether the guy would start of not. No matter if the value I find the talent matched up. No matter how few snaps the guy might actually play. Nope! Gotta have "defense."

What are you saying? I think this team needs to draft BPA off their board. But leave RB, QB and WR alone the first 2 rounds unless the talent is real great.

 

[Stash]

What are you saying? I think this team needs to draft BPA off their board. But leave RB, QB and WR alone the first 2 rounds unless the talent is real great.

I thought I was being clear, what part is confusing to you?

 

[Stash]

They took Taco last year over a guy like King, cause they thought TC was the last decent edge player and had a good assumption that they could still fill the CB need later in the draft.
And Taco never started last year. Of course LB spot isn't as picky as a DE but I don't think it's out of the question they take a position like LB, WR(meh) or DT with the idea that said player can be a stud for them in a year or two.

And because they also had a huge need at the position. Lawrence had t broken out yet and was coming off of his second back surgery, Gregory is Gregory and he's flamed out thus far, and Tapper has been nothing but injured. Of course they needed a defensive end. And they're still adding to the position with Kony Ealy.

And that same need currently exists at left guard, where they're currently starting empty roster space at that position. A position that plays on 100% of your offensive snaps.

I'm not really locked on a certain position in certain rounds. While I like LVE, I'm not in a LVE or THIS TEAM BLOOOWWWS mindset. Quite a few positions they can go in rounds 1/2 and it can make sense why they went that route.

I agree with you. If a huge value were to somehow drop, I can see them capitalizing on it. I just don't see it being a linebacker who will play about 30% of the time.

 

[CPanther95]

Maybe it's simply knowing what type of team you have and keeping your biggest strength as strong as it can be and unlike last year, not letting anything derail it.



Where are these ironclad numbers from? This sure reads like someone trying to be absolute about something that's far from absolute.

Nothing about the draft is absolute They're just statistics based on historical picks.

I'd be more concerned about the team I want than the team I have. How many Championship teams were built spending half their first round picks on the OL?

If it takes a 4th first round pick to keep your biggest strength strong, it's not your biggest strength, it's your biggest drain on resources.

 

[Stash]

Nothing about the draft is absolute They're just statistics based on historical picks.

I'm curious to know who made the summation and where they hit their numbers? Can you share who came up with them?

I'd be more concerned about the team I want than the team I have. How many Championship teams were built spending half their first round picks on the OL?

Is there a magic formula? If so, we've missed out on it for over 20 years. What I do know, is that this franchise would never have won the Super Bowls they did if they didn't have that dominant offensive line. And I realize that back then they were able to do it without using first round picks, but the point is that it was dominant.

If it takes a 4th first round pick to keep your biggest strength strong, it's not your biggest strength, it's your biggest drain on resources.

If the player value matches up with the position and need, how is it the "biggest drain on resources?" Its sound investment. Taking the best player and keeping the strength of your team as strong as it can be.

How many people last year were talking about paying Ron Leary $9 million a year to stay at left guard?

And how badly did they struggle last year with Chaz Green out there at either position? All it took was one chink in the armor, and suddenly, your biggest strength wasn't a strength at all.

I'm not eager to see a repeat of 2017 in any way.

 

[yentl911]

You created this thread just to show ET in a Cowboys uniform.

Who cares ?? Looks pretty good to me

Nice work OP!!

 

[phildadon86]

I'm curious to know who made the summation and where they hit their numbers? Can you share who came up with them?



Is there a magic formula? If so, we've missed out on it for over 20 years. What I do know, is that this franchise would never have won the Super Bowls they did if they didn't have that dominant offensive line. And I realize that back then they were able to do it without using first round picks, but the point is that it was dominant.



If the player value matches up with the position and need, how is it the "biggest drain on resources?" Its sound investment. Taking the best player and keeping the strength of your team as strong as it can be.

How many people last year were talking about paying Ron Leary $9 million a year to stay at left guard?

And how badly did they struggle last year with Chaz Green out there at either position? All it took was one chink in the armor, and suddenly, your biggest strength wasn't a strength at all.

I'm not eager to see a repeat of 2017 in any way.

I get where you are coming from, spending picks on a older player who is going to command a big deal isn't smart. However, 1st and a 3rd were "rumoured" so we don't even know if that's true. Come draft day that drops if it was even true in the first place. Personally I have a feeling that Beasley is on his way out. Lets not forget, he also called out the coaches, we save money by trading him, and he is a perfect WR for Seattle with a small price tag. Honestly, a 4th and Bease, or even a 3rd and Bease should get this deal done. Just my opinion. Only way I give up anything more than a 3rd is if ET agrees to take a hometown discount.

 

[Stash]

I get where you are coming from, spending picks on a older player who is going to command a big deal isn't smart. However, 1st and a 3rd were "rumoured" so we don't even know if that's true. Come draft day that drops if it was even true in the first place.

That was the rumored asking price that Seattle had started with. Nothing said for certain, but I can see it because why wouldn't a team start high and ask for the moon and stars? But of course that's why he's still there. And as I've said, if it's above that third rounder? Call their bluff and let them keep him. They need cap space and draft picks for their obvious rebuild more than a veteran safety.

Personally I have a feeling that Beasley is on his way out. Lets not forget, he also called out the coaches, we save money by trading him, and he is a perfect WR for Seattle with a small price tag. Honestly, a 4th and Bease, or even a 3rd and Bease should get this deal done. Just my opinion. Only way I give up anything more than a 3rd is if ET agrees to take a hometown discount.

I have to ask about where you saw that Beasley "called out the coaches"?

 

[phildadon86]

That was the rumored asking price that Seattle had started with. Nothing said for certain, but I can see it because why wouldn't a team start high and ask for the moon and stars? But of course that's why he's still there. And as I've said, if it's above that third rounder? Call their bluff and let them keep him. They need cap space and draft picks for their obvious rebuild more than a veteran safety.



I have to ask about where you saw that Beasley "called out the coaches"?

It was around the same time as when Dez did it. I could have sworn I saw an article somewhere on here. I may be wrong, but he didn't exactly react well when Dez was cut either. We all know Jason doesn't like his players thinking for themselves lol

 

[Bigdog]

Would be like when we went and got Charles Haley... not that Earl is a hothead and crazy like Haley but someone who can instill a toughness and attitude on defense who has a winning pedigree

Lee, irving(contract), lawerence(contract) and Earl are all difference makers for a Defense that can dictate what offenses do

True but the big question would be can all 4 stay healthy to be the difference makers?

 

[Stash]

It was around the same time as when Dez did it. I could have sworn I saw an article somewhere on here. I may be wrong, but he didn't exactly react well when Dez was cut either. We all know Jason doesn't like his players thinking for themselves lol

I looked at Beasley's twitter feed when Dez was released and didn't see the comments that were attributed to him. I don't think those were legitimate. That's why I asked you about it.

 

[CPanther95]

I'm curious to know who made the summation and where they hit their numbers? Can you share who came up with them?



Is there a magic formula? If so, we've missed out on it for over 20 years. What I do know, is that this franchise would never have won the Super Bowls they did if they didn't have that dominant offensive line. And I realize that back then they were able to do it without using first round picks, but the point is that it was dominant.



If the player value matches up with the position and need, how is it the "biggest drain on resources?" Its sound investment. Taking the best player and keeping the strength of your team as strong as it can be.

How many people last year were talking about paying Ron Leary $9 million a year to stay at left guard?

And how badly did they struggle last year with Chaz Green out there at either position? All it took was one chink in the armor, and suddenly, your biggest strength wasn't a strength at all.

I'm not eager to see a repeat of 2017 in any way.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

I'm not disagreeing about the importance of the offensive line, or even that a dominant one can dramatically increase the chances of winning a Super Bowl.

I'm suggesting that it would be extremely unlikely, and maybe unprecedented, to build a team competitive in the playoffs if the offensive line cost that much draft capital.

 

[jrumann59]

I do not see LOG as huge of a hole as some. Not saying its not important, but if you are going to pay Fred and Martin I do not see the nee of spending a premium pick on an interior guy that you will need to pay or let walk. I think you can get Cooper level players or even better later in the draft between all the OT and OG in the draft or pick up off the street. Just to think if they would have cut Dez earlier instead of trying to be cute they could have had Josh Kline.

 

[Stash]

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

Thanks for the info!


I'm going to give that a look.

I'm not disagreeing about the importance of the offensive line, or even that a dominant one can dramatically increase the chances of winning a Super Bowl.

I'm suggesting that it would be extremely unlikely, and maybe unprecedented, to build a team competitive in the playoffs if the offensive line cost that much draft capital.

I think that it's certainly unprecedented. And unconventional. I'd venture to say that it already is, and it was last year with former 1st round pick Jonathan Cooper at left guard.

They had give first rounders out there last year from a talent perspective. I don't think anyone has has close to that before.

But again, if the quality of the player matches up with team need and matches up with the huge amount of playing time the player would immediately get, I don't see how it's a bad return, no matter what you've invested in the other positions.

 

[Bleu Star]

Who cares ?? Looks pretty good to me

Nice work OP!!

Lol! Not my work but thanks.