Jalen Ramsey over Zeke

[Aviano90]

Jalen who?

Zeke was, still is, and will remain a great pick. All of these what if scenarios are just veiled shots at our QB. Dak Prescott.

Perhaps our butthurt contingent will eventually get behind the current roster & move forward.

I actually think Zeke was the best selection with Dak as the QB and the worst selection for Romo as the QB. We knew Tony's window was closing and defense was needed if we wanted to win. Romo was coming back from injury, we still had a great running game, and the defense still needed help. With a premium first and second round draft pick the team upgraded a strength of the team (running game) and took a player in the 2nd that couldn't help.

I'm still shaking my head wondering what they were thinking. For anyone trying to claim Romo's career was wasted, that draft is strong evidence his career was wasted.

Hindsight tells us Romo got injured so it didn't matter but they didn't know that at the time. This team loves the shiny new offensive player though.

 

[Yatta21]

Hypothetical and will get flamed.

If Dallas went with Jalen Ramsey instead of Zeke in the draft two years ago are Romo and Dez still here? Does Dak look just as good in his rookie year? My opinion, Dak shows some promise but Romo is still the guy when he comes back from injury.

I wanted Jalen as well. I wanted the Cowboys to Draft Jalen in the 1st round and Henry from Alabama in the 2nd round.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Most of this time Tyron was out or hurt as well, Tyron didn't have a Tyron season if you watched him, I couldn't even call him a top ten tackle last year, I'm saying on a one year performance.

Having your star RT injured or not playing up to par is no excuse for 15 Quarters with 1 TD (rushing TD) especially when you have four 1st rounders still on the field....Collins would have gone in the 1st and Cooper,fredrick and Marting all no 1 picks.

The problem is elsewhere!!!!!

Do we need to build the Great wall of China for our offense to produce???

 

[Aviano90]

Having your star RT injured or not playing up to par is no excuse for 15 Quarters with 1 TD (rushing TD).

Agree. Also no reason to put up 3 points and turning the ball over 3 times in a playoff game when you are Super Bowl favorites.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Hypothetical and will get flamed.

If Dallas went with Jalen Ramsey instead of Zeke in the draft two years ago are Romo and Dez still here? Does Dak look just as good in his rookie year? My opinion, Dak shows some promise but Romo is still the guy when he comes back from injury.

Can answer this easily. Did Ramsey get defensive rookie of the year - no but Elliott got offensive rookie of the year. Did Bryant's production go up, stay the same or slid since 2016 - slid way down. Romo as fact missed all but 1 series of the 2016 season and wouldn't have made it through 2017 without injury so as big of a Romo fan as I was/am he wouldn't still be here and ALL receivers have to catch the ball thrown to them regardless who is throwing the ball. Bryant lead the league in drops in 2017 so still being a good receiver, well that's not so obvious.
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[gjkoeppen]

I actually think Zeke was the best selection with Dak as the QB and the worst selection for Romo as the QB. We knew Tony's window was closing and defense was needed if we wanted to win. Romo was coming back from injury, we still had a great running game, and the defense still needed help. With a premium first and second round draft pick the team upgraded a strength of the team (running game) and took a player in the 2nd that couldn't help.

I'm still shaking my head wondering what they were thinking. For anyone trying to claim Romo's career was wasted, that draft is strong evidence his career was wasted.

Hindsight tells us Romo got injured so it didn't matter but they didn't know that at the time. This team loves the shiny new offensive player though.

Maybe you should remember everything. The reason that Elliott was the pick was because the previous season the Cowboys already was moving to a run first offense with Murray but he developed a bad case of fumbling. It was his contract year and the ONLY season he played all 16 games. The Cowboys offered him a fair contract considering his injury history and his fumbling he developed, but the eagles offered a 3 year deal worth almost double what the Cowboys offered. But here's the thing, after just a single season of low production the eagles were looking to unload Murray and did to the titans. Now after just one season with the eagles and 2 with the titans Murray is still waiting to find his 3 team in 4 years so that pretty much justifies letting him go and why the Cowboys then needed that 3 down back that could be that run first offense they started the year before. Now I do agree with you that it was a total waste of a high 2nd round pick on gimpy.
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[Aviano90]

Maybe you should remember everything. The reason that Elliott was the pick was because the previous season the Cowboys already was moving to a run first offense with Murray but he developed a bad case of fumbling. It was his contract year and the ONLY season he played all 16 games. The Cowboys offered him a fair contract considering his injury history and his fumbling he developed, but the eagles offered a 3 year deal worth almost double what the Cowboys offered. But here's the thing, after just a single season of low production the eagles were looking to unload Murray and did to the titans. Now after just one season with the eagles and 2 with the titans Murray is still waiting to find his 3 team in 4 years so that pretty much justifies letting him go and why the Cowboys then needed that 3 down back that could be that run first offense they started the year before. Now I do agree with you that it was a total waste of a high 2nd round pick on gimpy.
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Are you thinking I didn't remember that?

 

[DFWJC]

 

[jay94]

Well when Tyron was playing at his best, he was arguably the best LT in football top 3 for sure, last year I couldn't call him a top ten. When your play slips that much it's gonna make an impact on the whole team.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Hypothetical and will get flamed.

If Dallas went with Jalen Ramsey instead of Zeke in the draft two years ago are Romo and Dez still here? Does Dak look just as good in his rookie year? My opinion, Dak shows some promise but Romo is still the guy when he comes back from injury.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Have you forgotten how fragile Romo's body had become? This is not even a consideration. Ramsey will have probably given more years of service though.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

In a do-over draft I'd have traded up for Carson Wentz.

 

[aaev84]

Have you forgotten how fragile Romo's body had become? This is not even a consideration. Ramsey will have probably given more years of service though.

We can talk about his injuries all day. The point I was getting across was hypothetical. I feel Dak and his ability has been overbought because of the supporting cast he was afforded as a rookie. That was the whole point of the post. Also, more about Dak's inability to develop a good chemistry with Dez also hindered the offense. Let's be real, Dez was never a receiver that Got good separation even in his early years.

 

[Aviano90]

We can talk about his injuries all day. The point I was getting across was hypothetical. I feel Dak and his ability has been overbought because of the supporting cast he was afforded as a rookie. That was the whole point of the post. Also, more about Dak's inability to develop a good chemistry with Dez also hindered the offense. Let's be real, Dez was never a receiver that Got good separation even in his early years.

Just curious, for consistency purposes, do you knock Zeke's performance as a rookie because he had a great supporting cast. I'm sure a lot of RBs would love to play behind that great line.

 

[glimmerman]

Definitely the off season. We have Elliot. That draft is over. Both are good players. We got the better end of it. Elliot will lead the league this year again.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Fixed that for you.

Dez was dominant in 2014. He got 30% of all targets, highest in the league, while taking consistent double teams. The only other true wideouts we had were Williams and Street. Dez gave us a receiving threat to balance Murray as our running threat. Last year we saw what happens when you don't have a receiving threat to balance the run threat.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dez was dominant in 2014. He got 30% of all targets, highest in the league, while taking consistent double teams. The only other true wideouts we had were Williams and Street. Dez gave us a receiving threat to balance Murray as our running threat. Last year we saw what happens when you don't have a receiving threat to balance the run threat.

Difference in 2014 and last year was mainly the QB.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

At the time of the draft, I wanted the team to take Ramsey. We needed a shut down corner with size & skills, and he has certainly shown that to be true. Having said that, I can't imagine the Cowboys without Zeke. He's one of the top play makers in the league, & the team was not the same without him last season. The front office has done a nice job of bringing in some pretty good secondary players, but none that approach Ramsey's greatness.

 

[tyke1doe]

His conduct? Really? Goodell screwed Zeke and Jerry. They had no proof other than a victim that called her friends and begged them to lie for her.

Pulling down a woman's top. Hanging out around a pot shop. Choice in females.

Unfortunately, perception is reality. So he needs to stay far away from suspicious situations, ESPECIALLY since Goodell dinged him on a bogus claim.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Difference in 2014 and last year was mainly the QB.

We don't have the same season in 2014 with Dez2017.

There are lots of differences, pro and con, between Romo2014 and Dak2017. About 15 million little green ones to start.
How do you think Tony would have held up in Atlanta?
How many of Dak's 6 rushing TDs does Tony get?

But Dez2017 was just *worse*, by a lot, than Dez2014.