2018 Draft Chatter

[Gaede]

arden ? NOPE!!! Pass. Low effort guy. Behavior stuff to boot, please no.

Likely they will come to the same conclusion. I imagine they do 1:1s with the high potential-red flag type to see if they're worth it

 

[RS12]

People familiar with the situation believe the Green Bay Packers are likely to select eitherMinkah Fitzpatrick or Josh Jackson with their first-round selection. And while the team needs a pass rusher, they are desperate for help in the secondary.

The point was made that Fitzpatrick and Jackson both fit the cornerback/safety hybrid mold which the team prefers. I’m told Denzel Ward of Ohio State is the player the Packers truly covet, but short of trading up, the team won’t have a shot at drafting him.

If the Miami Dolphins don’t move up for a quarterback, sources tell me the player they really want is Roquan Smith. But will Smith be available when the team is called to the clock? In our recent mock draft, we have the Oakland Raiders selecting Smith with the pick immediately preceding the Dolphins’ selection.

If that happens, I’m told linebacker Leighton Vander Esch will be a consideration for the Dolphins if they can’t get a quarterback and both Smith and Tremaine Edmunds are off the board.

http://draftanalyst.com/nfl-draft-news-notes-april-18

 

[Teague31]

The above article claims we don’t view Sutton as a first rounder

 

[RS12]

 

[Gaede]

The above article claims we don’t view Sutton as a first rounder

Excellent

 

[fansince68]

True but I would put more of an emphasis on a DT. Particularly one of those meaningless 1 techs Rod hates. I think a guy like Vea alongside Collins or Irving would just be downright nasty and really complete the line providing Taco progresses.

I did read that Vea..is powerful but short winded and tires easily. I would love to have him collapse the pocket and stop the run on 1st and 2nd down.

 

[RS12]

 

[stilltheguru88]

I’ll take him in round 4 easily

 

[Klingo3034]

LVE runs faster. Kyzir is more SS/LB of course. But he should have been able to move a little faster.

 

[Klingo3034]

https://www.wvnews.com/white-s-posi...cle_4bf7a9f8-93bb-526b-b7bc-e65f2ad38cd1.html

“As for my position, I’m told that I need to work on linebacker stuff,” he added. “I haven’t done that before, so it’s an area I’ll work on.”

The NFL has continued to evolve into more and more of a passing league. In the ‘70s, the NFL offenses passed the ball barely 40 percent of the time. That number has steadily risen up over the years, and now the pass ratio is near 60 percent.

And as offenses have changed, defenses have had to adjust, especially at the linebacker and safety positions. Gone are the hulking linebackers whose primary job was to stop the run. And also over are the days of big, stiff safeties who played mainly nearly the line of scrimmage. Linebackers now are almost safeties, and safeties are basically extra cornerbacks.

“The game has changed. It has become more passing-based. So what you’re looking for from the safety has also changed,” Bucky Brooks of the NFL Network explained recently. “Before you were looking for the big, physical safety who could come and be the eighth guy in the box and could be an effective run defender.

“Now, with the more teams going 11 personnel (one back, one tight end and three wide receivers), you need those safeties to be able to play comfortably in space, to be able to have the skills to play in man-to-man and zone in the open field. But they also still must possess skills as tacklers and run defenders.

“It’s really a hard job to find the right kind of guys that have that versatility,” added Brooks, who spent five seasons as an NFL player and is now in his sixth year as an analyst for the NFL Network. “I think that’s why you’re seeing guys that are maybe oversized corners who may have a little movement deficiency and you move them into safety. What you’re trying to do is find an athlete that’s capable of doing all the things you’re asking him in the pass game while still having some that toughness to be able to defend and be a capable run defender.”

 

[Klingo3034]

https://247sports.com/college/west-...-football-NFL-draft-Kyzir-White-PFF-117390308

PFF signature stats: The PFF statistics consider White a cornerback because of his routine responsibilities in pass coverage, but he nevertheless ranked highly among all those players in key categories.

• Run stop percentage: White played 426 snaps against the run, made 34 tackles, assisted on 14 others and only missed two tackles. He was credited with 21 "stops," which is defined as a loss for the offense. His 4.9 stop percentage was No. 5 among cornerbacks.
• Tackling efficiency: White averaged 25 attempted tackles (the sum of solo tackles, assisted tackles and missed tackles) per missed tackle in the run game, which ranked No. 26. In the pass game, White had 33 solo tackles, four assisted tackles and six missed tackles. The 7.2 tackles attempts per miss ranked No. 184. Overall, White had 11.6 tackles attempts per miss and ranked No. 63.
• Coverage: White played 360 snaps in pass coverage and was targeted only 42 times. He allowed 27 receptions for 273 yards, and 165 yards were gained after the reception. However, White didn't allow a touchdown and had three interceptions. The NFL quarterback rating for passes into White's coverage was 53.0 for the season and ranked No. 31. White was targeted once every 8.6 coverage snaps, which ranked No. 14, and allowed a reception once every 13.3 snaps, but he allowed just 0.76 yards per coverage snap, which ranked No. 27.
• Slot coverage: White's performance covering slot receivers is important -- it's why PFF considers him a cornerback -- and he fared well throughout the season. He played 265 coverage snaps in the slot, was targeted 36 times and allowed 25 receptions for 255 yards and 152 yards after the catch. He secured two of his three interceptions covering in the slot, and the NFL quarterback rating on passes into White's slot coverage was 66.3, which ranked No. 17. He was targeted once every 7.4 coverage snaps in the slot, which ranked No. 13, and allowed a reception once every 10.6 receptions, which ranked No. 32. White allowed 0.86 yards per coverage snap in the slot, which ranked No. 28.
• Pass rush productivity: White rushed the quarterback on 62 of 422 pass snaps, and only one cornerback was more active than White's 14.7 percent pass rush percentage. No cornerback rushed the passer more, and that affected White's pass rush productivity rating. A PFF formula relates sacks, hits and hurries to the number of pass rushes, and White's 12.5 pass rush productivity rating ranked 10th out of 15 qualifying cornerbacks.

PFF review: "With size, movement skills and two years of solid production under his belt, White has a chance to be a hot name during the draft process. He played West Virginia’s slot role, which consisted of mostly spot-drop zone play where White showed good range and ball skills. He attacks the run and screen game downhill, and his experience in WVU’s system should serve him well as a curl/flat defender in a box-safety role at the next level." – Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve)

PFF draft class rankings: No. 4 safety, No. 73 overall player

 

[Risen Star]

I like Courtland Sutton. I just worry about whether he's quick enough to separate consistently in the NFL.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I like Courtland Sutton. I just worry about whether he's quick enough to separate consistently in the NFL.

It's not a direct parallel to running routes, but his 6.57 three-cone is ridiculous and shows short area quickness and explosion.

 

[cnuball21]

It's not a direct parallel to running routes, but his 6.57 three-cone is ridiculous and shows short area quickness and explosion.

For his it's elite...I have zero concerns about his quickness.

The knock on him is the ability to use that quickness to run better routes which will help him with separation.

His floor is lower than some prospects in the class, but his ceiling as a WR might also be the highest in the class.

 

[Bigdog]

People familiar with the situation believe the Green Bay Packers are likely to select eitherMinkah Fitzpatrick or Josh Jackson with their first-round selection. And while the team needs a pass rusher, they are desperate for help in the secondary.

The point was made that Fitzpatrick and Jackson both fit the cornerback/safety hybrid mold which the team prefers. I’m told Denzel Ward of Ohio State is the player the Packers truly covet, but short of trading up, the team won’t have a shot at drafting him.

If the Miami Dolphins don’t move up for a quarterback, sources tell me the player they really want is Roquan Smith. But will Smith be available when the team is called to the clock? In our recent mock draft, we have the Oakland Raiders selecting Smith with the pick immediately preceding the Dolphins’ selection.

If that happens, I’m told linebacker Leighton Vander Esch will be a consideration for the Dolphins if they can’t get a quarterback and both Smith and Tremaine Edmunds are off the board.

http://draftanalyst.com/nfl-draft-news-notes-april-18

Miami is going to screw this draft up for me since the players they are interested in I want. Hopefully they draft a qb.

 

[John813]

Miami is going to screw this draft up for me since the players they are interested in I want. Hopefully they draft a qb.

Think Vea may be their pick if Smith and Mayfield/Rosen are gone.
IIRC they haven't talked to LVE in a private/proday/combine

 

[RS12]

1. 
   But Ridley is also not especially big—just a hair over 6'0". His testing at the combine did nothing to allay concerns about that lack of size. And Ridley will be 24 in December—old by rookie standards.
   
   Per Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks of NFL.com, there's increasing buzz surrounding SMU wideout Courtland Sutton—enough that it's possible Sutton could sneak past Ridley to claim the title of first receiver chosen on April 26.
   
   Just the possibility that might happen is at least a slight hit to Ridley's stock.
   
   STOCK DOWN
   

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...for-2018-nfl-drafts-most-polarizing-prospects

 

[cnuball21]

1. 
   But Ridley is also not especially big—just a hair over 6'0". His testing at the combine did nothing to allay concerns about that lack of size. And Ridley will be 24 in December—old by rookie standards.
   
   Per Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks of NFL.com, there's increasing buzz surrounding SMU wideout Courtland Sutton—enough that it's possible Sutton could sneak past Ridley to claim the title of first receiver chosen on April 26.
   
   Just the possibility that might happen is at least a slight hit to Ridley's stock.
   
   STOCK DOWN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...for-2018-nfl-drafts-most-polarizing-prospects

Wouldn't be surprised much. Team like what they like, the teams that are big on size and potential could value Sutton over RIdley.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Not surprised by White's 40. He looks pretty sluggish on tape.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I did read that Vea..is powerful but short winded and tires easily. I would love to have him collapse the pocket and stop the run on 1st and 2nd down.

As much of a rotation as we run, I don't think it would be an issue here. Our starting D linemen only play like 60-65% of the snaps anyway.

Vea does gas out though.