Adult Language Jason Garrett is soft and only a clapper?

[GenoT]

After 8 seasons of JG’s leadership, the players are absolutely sure of two things...

1) Jason Garrett will remain as HC as long as the team stays close to 8-8 and JG doesn’t buck the Jerry-as-GM system — including biting his tongue whenever JJ offers state-of-the-team inanities to the press which might conflict with JG’s own opinions.

2) As long as the players themselves don’t buck the system, don’t make crazy salary demands, mostly behave off the field and play no worse than average, Jerry won’t let JG get rid of them.

Mediocrity in action.

 

[Haimerej]

What truth? 99.9% of people on here..whether they support or are against JG realize he’s not similar to Landry and that they were different eras, teams and situations. If you want to keep embarrassing yourself, go for it but it’s painful to watch. You and your alter ego responding to the exact same thing with exact same arguments and phrasing is different threads and then responding back and forth is strange. Guess that .1% being crazy in same day is a miracle.

Still doing the alter ego thing? Lol

This is great.

 

[Joe Realist]

His use of cursing seems forced

 

[LACowboysFan1]

After 8 seasons of JG’s leadership, the players are absolutely sure of two things...

1) Jason Garrett will remain as HC as long as the team stays close to 8-8 and JG doesn’t buck the Jerry-as-GM system — including biting his tongue whenever JJ offers state-of-the-team inanities to the press which might conflict with JG’s own opinions.

2) As long as the players themselves don’t buck the system, don’t make crazy salary demands, mostly behave off the field and play no worse than average, Jerry won’t let JG get rid of them.

Mediocrity in action.

So you think that if Jason had not had the 12-4 and 13-3 seasons, with a playoff win and another stolen from him because Dez couldn't hang on the the football in a crucial spot, that he'd still be the coach?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

but the garrett haters don't like that. they want him to be as animated in front of cameras, so they get a show and feel good about a coach....

I think one playoff win in seven years with a franchise QB most of that time is what the Garrett haters don't like.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I think one playoff win in seven years with a franchise QB most of that time is what the Garrett haters don't like.

Maybe, but if so they should say that, instead of using terms like "The Clapper", "soft" "puppet"...

 

[Idgit]

I'm actually thinking things are worse than expected now. I see JG give a speech cussing people out. I've seen the same with Witten in another thread. That begs the question....is anyone taking these to heart? Is it a talent gap? To me its a game plan/execution gap if these guys are getting reamed and it produces .500 type results. If your fire and brimstone produces nothing...then there is an issue.

First off, Texas, you're a reasonable poster and it's my experience that you're alway respectful towards the players and the organization when you criticize, which is all I ever care about. We all mix it up with other posters from time to time, and that's fine, but you're a reasonable poster, so I always take your criticism seriously.

What we're already seeing in these All or Nothing clips is that the picture fans have had in their head for so long about how the team actually works has just been flat-out wrong for a long time. Before moving on to criticisms of how motivating Jason Garrett might be, for example, I'd love it if we could stop for a second and at least acknowledge that the idea that he coaches the players the same way he handles the press in a post game press conference is completely wrong. That the dude is willing to get into specifics, is willing to take blame, is willing to get specifically on players or units or position groups, and that the fact that coaches do an awful lot more than what fans see on the sidelines of an NFL game on Sundays and that that's what actually plays into the relative success or failure of a franchise is going to be increasingly apparent. I mean, the show hasn't aired yet, and all we've seen is a couple of clips, but when it does, and all of this becomes even more apparent, I'd love it if we could take a minute to reflect on how dumb and how obviously wrong a good 50-60% of the criticism of this coach and this staff has been from the jump.

From there, then, we can start debating how effective/ineffective the staff actually is with the things we now see them say. You might argue nobody's taking the lessons to heart and we're getting .500 results as a consequence. I'd argue (like I always do) that we actually win a higher percentage fo games than ~80% or so of the league and that we've had a lot better than .500 results since 2014 when we've had a QB who can play in the lineup and that we'd do better yet if we hadn't squandered some fairly straightforward opportunities to upgrade the skill of our defensive players.

But maybe we should wait for the show to be available before really digging in. I have a feeling there's going to be a ton of things to talk about when it does, and these clips are just the tip.

 

[Aviano90]

Still doing the alter ego thing? Lol

This is great.

Never thought I'd ever see anyone accuse you and America's Cowboy of being the same person. But you're right, this is great. High quality entertainment leading up to the draft.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Maybe, but if so they should say that, instead of using terms like "The Clapper", "soft" "puppet"...

Well he is those things. He does overclap, he does make Jerry very comfortable, and he is soft. I'd say letting Greg Hardy slap a clipboard out of a coach's hands right in front of him while doing nothing trumps a bunch of gratuitous F-bombs.

But still, people would forgive all those things if he won a lot more.

 

[Miller]

First off, Texas, you're a reasonable poster and it's my experience that you're alway respectful towards the players and the organization when you criticize, which is all I ever care about. We all mix it up with other posters from time to time, and that's fine, but you're a reasonable poster, so I always take your criticism seriously.

What we're already seeing in these All or Nothing clips is that the picture fans have had in their head for so long about how the team actually works has just been flat-out wrong for a long time. Before moving on to criticisms of how motivating Jason Garrett might be, for example, I'd love it if we could stop for a second and at least acknowledge that the idea that he coaches the players the same way he handles the press in a post game press conference is completely wrong. That the dude is willing to get into specifics, is willing to take blame, is willing to get specifically on players or units or position groups, and that the fact that coaches do an awful lot more than what fans see on the sidelines of an NFL game on Sundays and that that's what actually plays into the relative success or failure of a franchise is going to be increasingly apparent. I mean, the show hasn't aired yet, and all we've seen is a couple of clips, but when it does, and all of this becomes even more apparent, I'd love it if we could take a minute to reflect on how dumb and how obviously wrong a good 50-60% of the criticism of this coach and this staff has been from the jump.

From there, then, we can start debating how effective/ineffective the staff actually is with the things we now see them say. You might argue nobody's taking the lessons to heart and we're getting .500 results as a consequence. I'd argue (like I always do) that we actually win a higher percentage fo games than ~80% or so of the league and that we've had a lot better than .500 results since 2014 when we've had a QB who can play in the lineup and that we'd do better yet if we hadn't squandered some fairly straightforward opportunities to upgrade the skill of our defensive players.

But maybe we should wait for the show to be available before really digging in. I have a feeling there's going to be a ton of things to talk about when it does, and these clips are just the tip.

Nice post Idgit and thanks on paragraph 1. I respect your posts and the way you handle these disagreements immensely, despite us being on the opposite side of many arguments. I try my best to be respectful about these things.

You are right in that we should wait to see how this plays out on the show before making judgements. I'm just throwing it out there that on Twitter with some of the writers who have watched the whole thing already and from what we have seen, there seems to be a consensus that JG goes off in more than a few scenes. Then we see the Witten speech at .500. To me I'm kind of shaking my head as to what is sinking in or not sinking in and a 9-7 year came out of it. Just trying to analyze where the disconnect is if the players are still not performing up to task.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Did you buy in at 13-3? Or just say the team was magically winning despite the coaching?

We lose more games due to coaching then win games due to coaching. He iced his own kicker and cost the team a playoff appearance. Garbage head coach.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Seems a lot of the fault finding with Garrett centers on his personality and his on-the-field demeanor. Well, anyone remember Mike Singletary taking over the 49ers, and his "can't win with them" comment? At first everybody was "yeah, he's a tough guy, he'll whip those wusses in SF into shape"

Result? 3 years, ONE 8-8 break even record, and an overall 18-22 record.

We don't see or hear Garrett in team meetings, or in the locker room. We don't know, he might be the most foul-mouthed, ranting and raving, hyper-critical coach in the league. Probably not, but we don't know that. And that's assuming screaming and yelling and dressing down players is the ONLY way to win playoff games and SBs. How many times did you see Bill Walsh all red-faced and hyper on the sidelines? But he won SBs.

While I'm running out of patience with Garrett, too, just complaining about his coaching style doesn't mean much...

 

[Hennessy_King]

First off, Texas, you're a reasonable poster and it's my experience that you're alway respectful towards the players and the organization when you criticize, which is all I ever care about. We all mix it up with other posters from time to time, and that's fine, but you're a reasonable poster, so I always take your criticism seriously.

What we're already seeing in these All or Nothing clips is that the picture fans have had in their head for so long about how the team actually works has just been flat-out wrong for a long time. Before moving on to criticisms of how motivating Jason Garrett might be, for example, I'd love it if we could stop for a second and at least acknowledge that the idea that he coaches the players the same way he handles the press in a post game press conference is completely wrong. That the dude is willing to get into specifics, is willing to take blame, is willing to get specifically on players or units or position groups, and that the fact that coaches do an awful lot more than what fans see on the sidelines of an NFL game on Sundays and that that's what actually plays into the relative success or failure of a franchise is going to be increasingly apparent. I mean, the show hasn't aired yet, and all we've seen is a couple of clips, but when it does, and all of this becomes even more apparent, I'd love it if we could take a minute to reflect on how dumb and how obviously wrong a good 50-60% of the criticism of this coach and this staff has been from the jump.

From there, then, we can start debating how effective/ineffective the staff actually is with the things we now see them say. You might argue nobody's taking the lessons to heart and we're getting .500 results as a consequence. I'd argue (like I always do) that we actually win a higher percentage fo games than ~80% or so of the league and that we've had a lot better than .500 results since 2014 when we've had a QB who can play in the lineup and that we'd do better yet if we hadn't squandered some fairly straightforward opportunities to upgrade the skill of our defensive players.

But maybe we should wait for the show to be available before really digging in. I have a feeling there's going to be a ton of things to talk about when it does, and these clips are just the tip.

Because a guy drops a few F bombs it shouldn't change anything. He's still a below average head coach. Who hasn't earned anything in his life. How can he motivate others when he was handed everything on a silver platter because of daddy.

 

[Idgit]

Nice post Idgit and thanks on paragraph 1. I respect your posts and the way you handle these disagreements immensely, despite us being on the opposite side of many arguments. I try my best to be respectful about these things.

You are right in that we should wait to see how this plays out on the show before making judgements. I'm just throwing it out there that on Twitter with some of the writers who have watched the whole thing already and from what we have seen, there seems to be a consensus that JG goes off in more than a few scenes. Then we see the Witten speech at .500. To me I'm kind of shaking my head as to what is sinking in or not sinking in and a 9-7 year came out of it. Just trying to analyze where the disconnect is if the players are still not performing up to task.

Local media has always said JG is very different in front of the team. I’ve been pulling hair out for years with that debate in here, so it’s no surprise to me.

Doesn’t matter much if he’s not getting the team over the hump for other reasons, but I’d much rather be talking about those than about a vague generalization about his temperament based only on how he acts when he’s diffusing a media circus.

 

[Idgit]

We lose more games due to coaching then win games due to coaching. He iced his own kicker and cost the team a playoff appearance. Garbage head coach.

Is this a list of ‘unsupported things Idgit would completely disagree with’? Because, if so, great work.

 

[Idgit]

Because a guy drops a few F bombs it shouldn't change anything. He's still a below average head coach. Who hasn't earned anything in his life. How can he motivate others when he was handed everything on a silver platter because of daddy.

It does change something, though. It changes the assumption that he treats his players the same as he treats the press, which has been the foundation of a buttload of Jason’s garrett criticism on CZ over the years.

It’s fine if y’all want to move onto to new assumptions once you’ve got more information, but a hat tip along the way isn’t much to ask for. Just so it’s clear there’s a history of making up criticisms that turn out to be very wrong on this topic.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Is this a list of ‘unsupported things Idgit would completely disagree with’? Because, if so, great work.

Nice reply that added nothing to the conversation.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It does change something, though. It changes the assumption that he treats his players the same as he treats the press, which has been the foundation of a buttload of Jason’s garrett criticism on CZ over the years.

It’s fine if y’all want to move onto to new assumptions once you’ve got more information, but a hat tip along the way isn’t much to ask for. Just so it’s clear there’s a history of making up criticisms that turn out to be very wrong on this topic.

Hes a not a good head coach. Anyone that is gifted a job instead of earning it, usually isn't that good at said job.

 

[Idgit]

Hes a not a good head coach. Anyone that is gifted a job instead of earning it, usually isn't that good at said job.

How are you distinguishing between 'gifting' and 'earning'? And are we to assume the Cowboys, Ravens, and Falcons were all giving him the gift of a HC offer? If so, why would all three teams do that?

Just think how good our front office must be to get a team to 12-4 and 13-3 two seasons out of three with a bad head coach, a QB who can' play one of those years, and a fairly average defense. We're lucky to have them.

 

[Hennessy_King]

How are you distinguishing between 'gifting' and 'earning'? And are we to assume the Cowboys, Ravens, and Falcons were all giving him the gift of a HC offer? If so, why would all three teams do that?

Just think how good our front office must be to get a team to 12-4 and 13-3 two seasons out of three with a bad head coach, a QB who can' play one of those years, and a fairly average defense. We're lucky to have them.

I'm gonna go on record here and say you love participation trophies. He was "gifted" everything he has is because jerry loved his dad. Who would actually want a QB from princeton who after being cut by the saints couldn't even get a starting job in the World League of American Football. Daddy got jerry to sign him to the practice squad. In his 3rd year removed from college. His brother has a job right now in the scouting department. Provide me an instance where he has done something that you didn't second guess at the end of a game. Shoot the kneel down on the final drive against green bay was his call and ended up costing us the game along with Byron Jones. I can keep firing out examples of poor coaching all you comeback is that's not true with no substance behind your claims.