Cowboys talked about Gallup in second round?

[buybuydandavis]

They say they valued guys higher than they drafted them and pretend they didn’t have any interest in players they couldn’t draft because another team took them first.

Inevitably true where teams pick their BPA. When you value a player more than other teams, you likely end up with him, thinking that he "fell".

 

[gimmesix]

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/prospects-overall.php

In March PFF had him #1. I think they eventually changed and had Ridley as #1.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-top-2018-nfl-draft-wr-by-routes

http://www.nfl.com/videos/good-morn...Steve-Palazzolo-argues-it-isn-t-Calvin-Ridley

CBS had Gallup in the 1st round:
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...-michael-gallup-is-a-first-round-sleeper/amp/

Yeah, that doesn't matter much to me. It doesn't reflect what actual GMs think.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is from DC.com:

Sometimes staying put is the best course. On Day 2, the Cowboys had cursory discussions about taking wide receiver Michael Gallup at No. 50. They didn’t and got him in the third round 31 picks later. Saturday, their first pick in the fourth round – Kansas defensive end Dorance Armstrong – was a guy they thought about trading up for Friday night late in the third round. They stayed put again and ended up drafting Armstrong, a talented edge rusher who posted 10 sacks two years ago, later than expected. With the extra fourth-rounder they didn’t have to give up for Armstrong, the Cowboys selected versatile Stanford tight end Dalton Schultz, who can help replace some of the dirty work James Hanna did for the last several years. (Rob Phillips)

That was talked about on the radio during the draft. Also the Cowboys were extremely concerned the LVE would not last to 19. Overall they felt fortunate all 4 players they wanted lasted until their pick.

 

[Cap12]

I think some are misunderstanding what was going on.

I read that we were worried about the run on WRs and almost panicked into taking one early. We stuck to our board, and got the guy we almost reached for in round two.

I don't think Gallop at 50 would have been a big reach. He was an absolutely a steal at pick 81, according to many drafnicks.(Dane had him ranked #59 overall). It's hard to put a really high grade on Gallop. While along with Ridley and DJ Moore (and to a certain extent, Miller), he comes into the league as an accomplished route runner, with excellent ball skills, the thing holding him back is that he's only 6'0 with a 4.5 40. These numbers aren't bad at all, but are not optimum for an elite WR.

 

[gimmesix]

That was talked about on the radio during the draft. Also the Cowboys were extremely concerned the LVE would not last to 19. Overall they felt fortunate all 4 players they wanted lasted until their pick.

I'd love to just once see every team's draft boards to see how differently they rate players. For instance, how many teams had LVE rated higher than 19th but either passed because they didn't need him or they got a higher rated player? We don't even know if Dallas had LVE rated higher than 19, only that the Cowboys wanted him so they valued him higher.

 

[kumizi]

Norm (of all people) had very good thoughts on this.

Either they're lying about how highly they had all these players rated. For example, Jerry said Gallup was the last good WR left on the board before a big dropoff. Also said they thought about trading up for the Kansas DE into the 3rd. I'm 70% he just makes this **** up to make himself and the FO look good.

Or we should be slightly concerned they're not willing to move up when there's such a difference between the last good WR left on the board and the next option. Same with the Kansas guy. If you couldn't trade up into the 3rd, why didnt you try trading up higher into the 4th? If we're to believe that they really wanted these guys so badly and there was a big dropoff if these two hadnt been there at their pick.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Probably just means they had a second round grade on Gallup. Means little. From what I have read most teams only give 15 to 20 players a first round grade and from there it's just finding fits for your system.

 

[JBell]

He's gotten a Pierre Garcon comparison from Dane Brugler.

Oo that's a good one. I was trying to figure out what comp would be best. I've seen dez lite, his coaches have said Anquon Boldin.

 

[CATCH17]

These guys had him at #36 overall:
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/prospects-overall.php


In March PFF had him #1. I think they eventually changed and had Ridley as #1.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-top-2018-nfl-draft-wr-by-routes

http://www.nfl.com/videos/good-morn...Steve-Palazzolo-argues-it-isn-t-Calvin-Ridley

CBS had Gallup in the 1st round:
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...-michael-gallup-is-a-first-round-sleeper/amp/

I can see why someone would rank him high.

If you’re willing to rate Calvin Ridley high because of route running well then this guy should be ranked high because of it too because he’s not far off from Ridley in that department but he’s a lot more physical then Ridley.

 

[glimmerman]

Depends on the runs. Sometimes WR gets picked and another team gets scared there player that’s a WR won’t be there next round or later in the round so they start reaching or trading up to reach.

I did hear that LVE may not have made it till 19, especially if a run on LB happens. Not sure who else would have needed to be there for them to have chosen someone other than LVE.

 

[CATCH17]

Oo that's a good one. I was trying to figure out what comp would be best. I've seen dez lite, his coaches have said Anquon Boldin.

I was going to say Donald Driver but I think the Garçon comparison is better then mine.

 

[xwalker]

Oo that's a good one. I was trying to figure out what comp would be best. I've seen dez lite, his coaches have said Anquon Boldin.

He is faster than Boldin but Boldin weighed 11 pounds more when drafted.

 

[Cap12]

The story said this was only a cursory discussion. There is no indication they seriously considered it. My guess is they were looking at the fact 5 receivers were already gone, including Courtland Sutton who it was rumored the Cowboys really wanted, so it naturally came up that the receivers they liked were disappearing off the board, and that Gallup might not last until their 3rd round pick. What matters is they made the decision not to let that concern cause them to stretch for a pick.

Sutton would have been a project (maybe even requiring a redshirt year). With his traits, he might turn out special... or not. I agree that they played it right and waited until the third for Gallop. Williams definitely was better value and arguably fills a bigger need (though I could have lived with M. Martin at LG, though I could have lived with the WR we have because the passing game is not going to carry us this season anyway). I think Gallop will help Dak because of his hands and ability to make plays on passes that are anywhere near him.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

This is from DC.com:

Sometimes staying put is the best course. On Day 2, the Cowboys had cursory discussions about taking wide receiver Michael Gallup at No. 50. They didn’t and got him in the third round 31 picks later. Saturday, their first pick in the fourth round – Kansas defensive end Dorance Armstrong – was a guy they thought about trading up for Friday night late in the third round. They stayed put again and ended up drafting Armstrong, a talented edge rusher who posted 10 sacks two years ago, later than expected. With the extra fourth-rounder they didn’t have to give up for Armstrong, the Cowboys selected versatile Stanford tight end Dalton Schultz, who can help replace some of the dirty work James Hanna did for the last several years. (Rob Phillips)

And in three years when you can really judge their draft position, you will have forgotten this post.

 

[gimmesix]

And in three years when you can really judge their draft position, you will have forgotten this post.

Probably.

 

[cern]

Vamos a ver. Que sera, sera.

 

[visionary]

I don't think Gallop at 50 would have been a big reach. He was an absolutely a steal at pick 81, according to many drafnicks.(Dane had him ranked #59 overall). It's hard to put a really high grade on Gallop. While along with Ridley and DJ Moore (and to a certain extent, Miller), he comes into the league as an accomplished route runner, with excellent ball skills, the thing holding him back is that he's only 6'0 with a 4.5 40. These numbers aren't bad at all, but are not optimum for an elite WR.

Gallop would have been a horrific reach even at 81 since wasn't even drafted

Luckily we went with Gallup at 81

 

[Alexander]

The only regret is if Gallup can't play the X.

 

[speedkilz88]

Depends on the runs. Sometimes WR gets picked and another team gets scared there player that’s a WR won’t be there next round or later in the round so they start reaching or trading up to reach.

I did hear that LVE may not have made it till 19, especially if a run on LB happens. Not sure who else would have needed to be there for them to have chosen someone other than LVE.

Sounds like they might have tried to trade up slightly had it been Vea that slid instead of James.

 

[Beaker42]

So either Dallas is overestimating the value of these players or other teams are underestimating them.

We discussed Gallup in the second and he was still around for our third-rounder. We thought about trading up into the third for Armstrong yet he was still around in the fourth.

If these picks turn out great, the scouting department deserves a lot of credit for recognizing them as being better than their value to the rest of the league. If not, Dallas needs to take a close look at why it's valuing them more than the other teams in the league do.

Gallup in the 2nd? JHC on a pogo stick. Why not in the 1st then? I’m sick now.