News: BTB: Dak Was Never the Problem, It Was the Receivers. Here’s the Proof

[aikemirv]

RECEIVERS CONVERTING THIRD AND SEVEN

Looking at receivers converting third and seven or longer, we find that Philadelphia had three receivers in the top twenty: Agholar ranked 7th, Ertz ranked 10th, Alshon Jeffey ranked 18th.

Dallas had zero receivers make that list. Zero guys were consistently able to help Dak convert those third and longs.

Who else had receivers that were great at converting third and long?

If you’re holding onto the belief that not converting third and long was Dak’s fault, then it would stand to reason that all the receivers topping the list for converting long third downs would be on teams with great quarterbacks, yes?

Both Miami and Tampa Bay had two receivers each that vastly outperformed all of Dallas’ receivers in converting third downs with 7+ yards needed. And both those teams had quarterbacks that underperformed Dak in just about every single relevant QB metric. Cutler, for example, had a QBR last year that was 25th best in the NFL. Remember, Dak finished fourth in QBR.


That right there is some stupid stuff. You can't make that up!!!

 

[Rayman70]

Dak actually played well considering the condition of the offense in 2017. The poor guy was playing with PTSD off and on all year. Hard to be accurate when your running for your life and getting hit before you can even set your feet.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ultimately Dak like most NFL QB’s will be measured by the success of the team.

Just win and he will be embraced by all fans.

 

[Sarge]

All that matters in this league is wins. This is especially true at the QB position......He will be judged by Ws and not any other stat.

Is this the same rationale we should use in evaluating Romo and his career? Just curious.

 

[Einstein]

I am a fan of Dak. That being said, Dak is no Romo, but Romo was no Aikman, and Aikman was no White, and White was no Staubach. And other than maybe Staubach, I have to say that all of the other guys on this list have had haters...

 

[Kevinicus]

explain please

The entire thing is a contradiction with no logical track to its conclusion.

The title should be, "Dak's numbers were good (they weren't), the receivers are to blame."

Then there is the reliance on 2016 data for so much.

 

[Rayman70]

You all remember Jim Everett? The QB for the Rams in the 1980's-90's? He was a stud when he had a decent oline and a running game. But once his oline aged and broke down,it was a siv..THEN what happened next is a tale that I hope this FO can learn from. I hope they took note. He got sacked HIT and just plain beat up game after game for like 2 years straight. They failed to have a plan behind the starters,and what happened was it damaged the mentality of the QB. He was never the same. I recall a game where he took a phantom sack..NO ONE TOUCHED HIM!! He just rolled up into a fetal position and looked pathetic! Then famously,Jim Rome coined the phrase "Chrissy Everrett." The cows were out of the barn at that point. The guys career was trashed..never did he do anything after that. Its a cautionary tale that I THINK the FO is aware of...thus,they appear to have fixed the oline.Time will tell. Yes..the receivers were not the best,but the oline was the bigger issue,followed by the defense. Its critical we get this right so that Dak makes progress. I think we have done so.

 

[Mr_437]

Dak played bad last year period. Dak played exceptional his rookie season. Is that hate? No, that's truth.

Dak pocket awareness was poor, his footwork poor, his throws were off target. I don't place all blame on Dak, but he had issues. Coaches, WRs n OL didn't help him n certain cases.

That's why I'm just going to watch this season an see who Dak really is...no hard judgements now. I was glad to see DAL draft a QB tho. Mike White anticipates, gets th ball out quick, reads defense n goes thru progressions well, ball placement accuracy, things I value n a QB. White is a good pick for a timing-nased offense.

 

[Diehardblues]

Is this the same rationale we should use in evaluating Romo and his career? Just curious.

QB’s who lead the league or in upper echelon in passing setting team records usually aren’t judged as harshly if their team doesn’t have as much success but I’d say despite Romo numbers he was still held more responsible by many as part of the problem or at least not enough of the solution.

When your 26th in the league in passing offense and don’t make the playoffs despite whatever legit contributing factors you have there’s going to be criticism.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak played bad last year period. Dak played exceptional his rookie season. Is that hate? No, that's truth.

Dak pocket awareness was poor, his footwork poor, his throws were off target. I don't place all blame on Dak, but he had issues. Coaches, WRs n OL didn't help him n certain cases.

That's why I'm just going to watch this season an see who Dak really is...no hard judgements now. I was glad to see DAL draft a QB tho. Mike White anticipates, gets th ball out quick, reads defense n goes thru progressions well, ball placement accuracy, things I value n a QB. White is a good pick for a timing-nased offense.

no he didn't play bad...BUT if he did,was it all his fault?

 

[waving monkey]

So what exactly is a Dak hater. Someone that sees his warts and does not pretend that everything is fine it must be the 52 other people on the teams that have issues.

Thats OK but I have witnessed repeated Dak-hate evangelism that patently wasn't true or exaggerated.
Some Dak haters held valid points but the groupthink hysteria got off of hand.

 

[Kevinicus]

RECEIVERS CONVERTING THIRD AND SEVEN

Looking at receivers converting third and seven or longer, we find that Philadelphia had three receivers in the top twenty: Agholar ranked 7th, Ertz ranked 10th, Alshon Jeffey ranked 18th.

Dallas had zero receivers make that list. Zero guys were consistently able to help Dak convert those third and longs.

Who else had receivers that were great at converting third and long?

If you’re holding onto the belief that not converting third and long was Dak’s fault, then it would stand to reason that all the receivers topping the list for converting long third downs would be on teams with great quarterbacks, yes?

Both Miami and Tampa Bay had two receivers each that vastly outperformed all of Dallas’ receivers in converting third downs with 7+ yards needed. And both those teams had quarterbacks that underperformed Dak in just about every single relevant QB metric. Cutler, for example, had a QBR last year that was 25th best in the NFL. Remember, Dak finished fourth in QBR.


That right there is some stupid stuff. You can't make that up!!!

And some people actually think the article made a good point here.

 

[waving monkey]

The entire thing is a contradiction with no logical track to its conclusion.

The title should be, "Dak's numbers were good (they weren't), the receivers are to blame."

Then there is the reliance on 2016 data for so much.

The numbers were better then the hate hysteria would lead you to believe was the point.
Funny I followed the beginning middle and end rather easily.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak played bad last year period. Dak played exceptional his rookie season. Is that hate? No, that's truth.

Dak pocket awareness was poor, his footwork poor, his throws were off target. I don't place all blame on Dak, but he had issues. Coaches, WRs n OL didn't help him n certain cases.

That's why I'm just going to watch this season an see who Dak really is...no hard judgements now. I was glad to see DAL draft a QB tho. Mike White anticipates, gets th ball out quick, reads defense n goes thru progressions well, ball placement accuracy, things I value n a QB. White is a good pick for a timing-nased offense.

I challenge ANY QB to have good footwork while laying on your arse. Or while your trying to set your feet,you get hit. The guy was asked to be a miracle worker under horrid conditions.One of those was the walking miracle we call Chaz Green! lol...MIRACLE because its a wonder Dak didn't get carried off by an ambulance. Tyron was Gawd awful.Cooper was nothin to write home about...

 

[Sydla]

RECEIVERS CONVERTING THIRD AND SEVEN

Looking at receivers converting third and seven or longer, we find that Philadelphia had three receivers in the top twenty: Agholar ranked 7th, Ertz ranked 10th, Alshon Jeffey ranked 18th.

Dallas had zero receivers make that list. Zero guys were consistently able to help Dak convert those third and longs.

Who else had receivers that were great at converting third and long?

If you’re holding onto the belief that not converting third and long was Dak’s fault, then it would stand to reason that all the receivers topping the list for converting long third downs would be on teams with great quarterbacks, yes?

Both Miami and Tampa Bay had two receivers each that vastly outperformed all of Dallas’ receivers in converting third downs with 7+ yards needed. And both those teams had quarterbacks that underperformed Dak in just about every single relevant QB metric. Cutler, for example, had a QBR last year that was 25th best in the NFL. Remember, Dak finished fourth in QBR.


That right there is some stupid stuff. You can't make that up!!!

It’s really a pretty sketchy analysis.

 

[CATCH17]

Watch the video on YouTube.

Not going to Post the link. We’ve all watched it by now.

Dak has issues.

Hopefully they cleaned up his tech problems and we are good.

If not, then we know why Mike White was drafted.

Agree.

Dak's got some passing problems but he can get better.

 

[ESisback]

I've been saying this for a long time. The Dak haters are just irrational.

So why the hate? Lack of team success inspires SOME of that, but we have a lot of savvy people here that know better. Could it simply be an extremely vocal minority? Negative drama IS a much bigger seller..

 

[CCBoy]

The numbers were better then the hate hysteria would lead you to believe was the point.
Funny I followed the beginning middle and end rather easily.

Rational and reasonable are understandable...funny how that works.

Some even attempt to explain word selection as an indicator of lack of content.

 

[CATCH17]

Dak played bad last year period. Dak played exceptional his rookie season. Is that hate? No, that's truth.

Dak pocket awareness was poor, his footwork poor, his throws were off target. I don't place all blame on Dak, but he had issues. Coaches, WRs n OL didn't help him n certain cases.

That's why I'm just going to watch this season an see who Dak really is...no hard judgements now. I was glad to see DAL draft a QB tho. Mike White anticipates, gets th ball out quick, reads defense n goes thru progressions well, ball placement accuracy, things I value n a QB. White is a good pick for a timing-nased offense.

We went like 4 or 5 weeks without a touchdown pass.

Yes.. Dak has some issues to work on.

 

[Rayman70]

Fred Astaire couldn't even have good footwork behind our oline last year. The times he did have a clean pocket were rare..but when he did,his receivers just failed him on route running...hence..the int's. we got exposed last year.