T.O has a point here regardless of JG success

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Romo made Garrett. Which is a bad thing. Without Romo, Garrett would have been gone a long time ago.

That is 100% accurate. So now, I might even be mad at Romo lol.

 

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I agree that Jones hasn't lived up to his 1st round status. However, I don't think it's helped him that he's been shifted around the field a lot. We'll see how he likes playing CB this year.

My opinion is the same... he has never really been put in a role where he is in that role for good. He is a great athlete, so when you have someone with the physical gifts like that, you need to try to find a role for him. Personally I thought he had more good plays then bad plays in the red zone.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

My opinion is the same... he has never really been put in a role where he is in that role for good. He is a great athlete, so when you have someone with the physical gifts like that, you need to try to find a role for him. Personally I thought he had more good plays then bad plays in the red zone.

Exactly, and how do you expect to develop a player if you keep shifting him? That's one of the many things about Marinelli that I don't get. He knows his stuff when it comes to Dline. I'm never going to dispute that about him. But, when it comes to secondaries, Marinelli isn't so smart.

 

[plymkr]

I'm not necessarily advocating that (well, I'd do that deal, but not to prop up Garrett. I'd do it just because I'm so freaking sick of not having good S play in Dallas). I'm just saying I'm surprised they haven't tried it. At a high level, if you want to look over next season and guess what areas you need to address to give the team the best shot at being successful, that FS position is the number one area where you'd want to do something, and they clearly don't like the options on the street.

I feel you there. We haven't had a good safety since Woodson. When Woodson retired Roy William's declined drastically and our safeties have been average at best.

 

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Exactly, and how do you expect to develop a player if you keep shifting him? That's one of the many things about Marinelli that I don't get. He knows his stuff when it comes to Dline. I'm never going to dispute that about him. But, when it comes to secondaries, Marinelli isn't so smart.

Here is the thing I hate... When Garrett, or any of the coaches talk about how they love those flex players where you can move them around. What they really mean is, they love those players that they can use to hide their failures at coaching.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I feel you there. We haven't had a good safety since Woodson. When Woodson retired Roy William's declined drastically and our safeties have been average at best.

I agree, and what we've lacked wasn't so much talent, imo, but a coach that could get them to reach their potential. I think we have that now.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Here is the thing I hate... When Garrett, or any of the coaches talk about how they love those flex players where you can move them around. What they really mean is, they love those players that they can use to hide their failures at coaching.

Agreed, and I don't like the idea too much of shifting someone around too much. It works in soccer and baseball, but not football. If you want someone to play CB, then have him play CB, and let him develop there. Do you think Sherman would've become the CB he is if he had been moved from CB to S and back as much as Byron has? I doubt it. That's NOT to say that Byron is Sherman. I'm just saying that it would really help Byron if he were kept at ONE position and developed there. Of course, that's been one of the many deficiencies of our coaching staff. As far as defense goes, we're awful at developing players outside of maybe DLaw, Hitchens (who's gone now and was average at best) and Anthony Brown.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Agreed, and I don't like the idea too much of shifting someone around too much. It works in soccer and baseball, but not football. If you want someone to play CB, then have him play CB, and let him develop there. Do you think Sherman would've become the CB he is if he had been moved from CB to S and back as much as Byron has? I doubt it. That's NOT to say that Byron is Sherman. I'm just saying that it would really help Byron if he were kept at ONE position and developed there. Of course, that's been one of the many deficiencies of our coaching staff. As far as defense goes, we're awful at developing players outside of maybe DLaw, Hitchens (who's gone now and was average at best) and Anthony Brown.

Like, I could understand flexing someone like Rico to DE (something I was thinking) because he may not fit in well at one position and there's a need for someone at another position. That's one thing. But constantly jilting someone for the sake of it like they've done with Byron isn't helping anything.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Totally false . Troy was going to be drafted by Landry and Schramm and it was widely known Jerry and Jimmy weren’t going to sway from that.

Which with Irvin already on the team we would have 2 of the Tripletts despite the situation with Emmitt which Id agree on.

So I guess Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, The Moose, Jones and Johnson just lied to everyone about what happened. They said Diehardblues will dispute this in 2018 but until then this is what really happened. They knew back then that in 2018 you would call them liars and Jones and Johnson didn't really know what they were talking about. But you know. After hearing you it's so obvious that they were lying back then I don't know how anyone would have ever believed it. After reading your stuff I'll bet they all decided before they were on live TV that they would just make up this whole thing just for entertainment purposes. They probably thought that nobody would think bad of them for making this stuff up so why not.
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Agreed, and I don't like the idea too much of shifting someone around too much. It works in soccer and baseball, but not football. If you want someone to play CB, then have him play CB, and let him develop there. Do you think Sherman would've become the CB he is if he had been moved from CB to S and back as much as Byron has? I doubt it. That's NOT to say that Byron is Sherman. I'm just saying that it would really help Byron if he were kept at ONE position and developed there. Of course, that's been one of the many deficiencies of our coaching staff. As far as defense goes, we're awful at developing players outside of maybe DLaw, Hitchens (who's gone now and was average at best) and Anthony Brown.

Sherman, even though a lot of people hate him... I actually like him. A long time ago, I saw an interview with him, when he was watching tape on his own at home. You saw a different Sherman in that interview then the on-field game time Sherman. He said right then, I am not as fast as many of these receivers, I am not as strong as most of these receivers. But, I prepare like no one else. That is why I am as good as I am. He stated his athletic downside compared to the people he was facing. But, he studied tape until his eyes were bleeding basically. So he could anticipate things, before they happened. That was an actual eye opener to the real Sherman, that you didn't realize existed.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Sherman, even though a lot of people hate him... I actually like him. A long time ago, I saw an interview with him, when he was watching tape on his own at home. You saw a different Sherman in that interview then the on-field game time Sherman. He said right then, I am not as fast as many of these receivers, I am not as strong as most of these receivers. But, I prepare like no one else. That is why I am as good as I am. He stated his athletic downside compared to the people he was facing. But, he studied tape until his eyes were bleeding basically. So he could anticipate things, before they happened. That was an actual eye opener to the real Sherman, that you don't realize exists.

Yup, he's a smart man. You don't get into Stanford without brains. I have no hard feelings toward him (though, I did root for Denver in 2013, but that's because my best friend's a Broncos fan and the other reason shouldn't be a surprise lol). In fact, I think he was the first DB to give us props in 2014, if I'm not mistaken, after we beat him.

 

[plymkr]

I agree, and what we've lacked wasn't so much talent, imo, but a coach that could get them to reach their potential. I think we have that now.

Yes, I'm pumped about the LOB coach working with our guys. That does give me a lot of optimism about maximizing the talent and strengths of each player. Maybe we don't need an upgrade at safety with new coaching

 

[Stash]

Of course you will. Lol

Skins on the wall vs no skins on the wall.

 

[Alexander]

No matter what anyone thinks of Owens, any time a Hall of Fame player publicly trashes a coach, there is a token of legitimacy to what he says. Contrast what he says about Garrett to what he says about Reid. There are players who literally hated their head coaches on a personal level. But when their playing career was over, they could still admit they had respect for them. There is zero intellectual or professional respect here. That should say it all.

 

[Alexander]

You are so wrong on this. A little history lesson for you. In the 1989 draft Johnson want to take Tony Mandarich because he already convinced Jones to take his QB from Miami, Walsh, in the supplemental draft and that would fill the need for a QB. Even as late as the day before the draft Johnson wanted Mandarich but Jones said we're going to take Aikman. Then in 1990 the Cowboys traded up from pick 21 with the steelers to pick 17 because Johnson wanted to draft LB James Francis but about a minute after the trade was made the bengals took Francis ahead of them so then Johnson said they would pick LB Tony Bennett but again Jones put his foot down and said the Cowboys will take Emmitt. Johnson didn't want Emmitt because he snubbed Johnson and went to Florida in stead of Miami because Miami was a passing offense and Florida was a running offense. So 2 out of the 3 triplets would not have been Cowboys if Johnson had his way. The ironic thing about both drafts was the peckers picked both Manderich and Bennett who Johnson wanted immediately after the Cowboys picks.
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Jones did not "put his foot down" about Emmitt Smith. Joe Brodsky sold Smith. Please stop implying that Jones did anything more then than he he still does now.

 

[stilltheguru88]

No matter what anyone thinks of Owens, any time a Hall of Fame player publicly trashes a coach, there is a token of legitimacy to what he says. Contrast what he says about Garrett to what he says about Reid. There are players who literally hated their head coaches on a personal level. But when their playing career was over, they could still admit they had respect for them. There is zero intellectual or professional respect here. That should say it all.

I mean, it’s common sense to anyone without an agenda. The 5 or so Garrett fans had to try to spin this against TO. Tried...........

 

[Diehardblues]

So I guess Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, The Moose, Jones and Johnson just lied to everyone about what happened. They said Diehardblues will dispute this in 2018 but until then this is what really happened. They knew back then that in 2018 you would call them liars and Jones and Johnson didn't really know what they were talking about. But you know. After hearing you it's so obvious that they were lying back then I don't know how anyone would have ever believed it. After reading your stuff I'll bet they all decided before they were on live TV that they would just make up this whole thing just for entertainment purposes. They probably thought that nobody would think bad of them for making this stuff up so why not.
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I recall that interview but not the specifics as pertained to drafting Troy which despite whatever your interpretations are I maintain their intention was always to draft Troy.

That doesn’t mean there weren’t other considerations like Mandarich which I recall as well. Or the implications of taking Walsh.

Again, I’m simply disputing your claim about Jimmy not having 2 of the Tripletts. Unless I misread your intentions?

 

[Bleu Star]

What freaking beast of a player.

 

[Diehardblues]

I mean, it’s common sense to anyone without an agenda. The 5 or so Garrett fans had to try to spin this against TO. Tried...........

The misconception by most Cowboy fans is that Garrett hasn’t had any success.

In Jerry’s eyes which are the only ones that matter Garrett has maintained a consistent relevance providing Jerry an easier product to promote hope and maintain his #1 Revenue.

The two playoff seasons being just a few minutes away from a championship appearance has led the fan base on while winning COY validated whatever claims many fans had Garrett wasn’t a legit HC.

Naw, Garrett fulfills all of Jerry’s wants and needs. He’ll stay the course barring any major collapse hoping he’ll have more success despite whatever grumblings some fans are muttering.

 

[stilltheguru88]

The misconception by most Cowboy fans is that Garrett hasn’t had any success.

In Jerry’s eyes which are the only ones that matter Garrett has maintained a consistent relevance providing Jerry an easier product to promote hope and maintain his #1 Revenue.

The two playoff seasons being just a few minutes away from a championship appearance has led the fan base on while winning COY validated whatever claims many fans had Garrett wasn’t a legit HC.

Naw, Garrett fulfills all of Jerry’s wants and needs. He’ll stay the course barring any major collapse hoping he’ll have more success despite whatever grumblings some fans are muttering.

Is the goal to get a legit head coach or a good one? Marvin Lewis won coach of the year too, hence Garrett being called the nfc version of him. But I have a strange suspicion that cowboyzone thinks Garrett is different from Lewis.