T.O has a point here regardless of JG success

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Is the goal to get a legit head coach or a good one? Marvin Lewis won coach of the year too, hence Garrett being called the nfc version of him. But I have a strange suspicion that cowboyzone thinks Garrett is different from Lewis.

I don't. The only difference is that Lewis got his team to the playoffs more.

 

[SoupcanSam]

There are 4 reasons why Garrett's lifeline has lasted a few or so years and those reasons are in order:

Romo- with his ability to extend plays and turn nothing into something with bad playcalling. (Hid Garrett's flaw).

Oline- these guys are natural born blocker without heavy coaching. (assisting in hiding Garrett's flaws)

D. Murray- The first best talent at RB we had come across since emmitt. (JG leaned on this new found gem and ran poor Murray into the ground. Hid JG flaws).

Zeke- just like with Murray, JG will get again be back at it running a RB two times better than Murray right into the ground. (Zeke may just be the reason Garrett's flaws will continue to be hidden)

I feel for Zeke, we need new coaching and quick before disaster strikes. I am really wishing for some creative balance this season.

 

[Diehardblues]

Is the goal to get a legit head coach or a good one? Marvin Lewis won coach of the year too, hence Garrett being called the nfc version of him. But I have a strange suspicion that cowboyzone thinks Garrett is different from Lewis.

Lewis is another example how some fans perception isn’t aligned with ownership . And the only other team which Owner wears the GM cap as well.

While fans see futility in playoffs ownership sees a coach who has matched the franchise playoff appearances in his tenure providing a consistent contender. Lewis 7 playoff appearances matches the franchises previous appearances going back to their inception in 1966.

Remember that the Cowboyszone is not always a reflection of Cowboys Nation. A few years ago there was a poll locally in which Garrett received almost 60% approval rating the highest since Jimmy. Fans felt under Jerry who is the most hated sports figure in our area, Garrett had the best chance to get us back to a championship game if Jerry stayed the course.

 

[The Natural]

Thread full of folks attacking TO's character because they know they cant refute his points. Color me surprised

 

[Diehardblues]

Minority opposition is usually the most vocal. Most fans who quietly support Garrett are not as likely to place themselves in the line of fire with the Lynch Mob.

Just like the attacks we had for Romo by a very vocal minority it didn’t reflect the bulk of support from Cowboys Nation.

That’s not to dispute some of the criticism is legit but holding Romo or in this case Garrett as the sole cause for less team success is obviously agenda driven mostly out of frustration.

 

[Diehardblues]

There are 4 reasons why Garrett's lifeline has lasted a few or so years and those reasons are in order:

Romo- with his ability to extend plays and turn nothing into something with bad playcalling. (Hid Garrett's flaw).

Oline- these guys are natural born blocker without heavy coaching. (assisting in hiding Garrett's flaws)

D. Murray- The first best talent at RB we had come across since emmitt. (JG leaned on this new found gem and ran poor Murray into the ground. Hid JG flaws).

Zeke- just like with Murray, JG will get again be back at it running a RB two times better than Murray right into the ground. (Zeke may just be the reason Garrett's flaws will continue to be hidden)

I feel for Zeke, we need new coaching and quick before disaster strikes. I am really wishing for some creative balance this season.

No doubt those contributions have helped. Most coaches survival is dependent on the talent they have.

But the most important reason Jason is here, has survived and will continue is Jerry’s agenda to prove he can build a championship caliber team without a proven HC to finally put to rest the demons from Jimmy era.

Jerry only wants to win his way. There’s not room in Dallas for an ego bigger than Jerry and why Jimmy had to go. Bill learned quickly the same.

And why Garrett is the perfect fit for Jerry as fans have just enough doubt in Garrett’s ability that Jerry will be in line to recieve the credit he’s always pursued for being a Football Guy which is more important than winning championships.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Lewis is another example how some fans perception isn’t aligned with ownership . And the only other team which Owner wears the GM cap as well.

While fans see futility in playoffs ownership sees a coach who has matched the franchise playoff appearances in his tenure providing a consistent contender. Lewis 7 playoff appearances matches the franchises previous appearances going back to their inception in 1966.

Remember that the Cowboyszone is not always a reflection of Cowboys Nation. A few years ago there was a poll locally in which Garrett received almost 60% approval rating the highest since Jimmy. Fans felt under Jerry who is the most hated sports figure in our area, Garrett had the best chance to get us back to a championship game if Jerry stayed the course.

I know ownership thinks highly of Garrett, that’s the problem. I still think he’s gone after this year unless Zeke and Richard save his job. You’d think An offensive minded coach would have our passing game on point but hey

 

[SoupcanSam]

No doubt those contributions have helped. Most coaches survival is dependent on the talent they have.

But the most important reason Jason is here, has survived and will continue is Jerry’s agenda to prove he can build a championship caliber team without a proven HC to finally put to rest the demons from Jimmy era.

Jerry only wants to win his way. There’s not room in Dallas for an ego bigger than Jerry and why Jimmy had to go. Bill learned quickly the same.

And why Garrett is the perfect fit for Jerry as fans have just enough doubt in Garrett’s ability that Jerry will be in line to recieve the credit he’s always pursued for being a Football Guy which is more important than winning championships.

If Dallas was to win a SB this year I believe I'd still be torn on keeping Garrett, rod, and linehan. And that's a sad thing.

 

[dfense]

Here is the list for you:
TO, Crayton Romo, Wade Phillips, Bennett, most of the NFL media, many current NFL players that play against his predictable schemes, 92% if the Cowboys fan base (Poll).

I'm sure I am forgetting many people that have laughed at Garrett or wondered why he has a job. But this is more than sufficient to portray a coach that where most of the NFL landscape is wondering why he still has a job. In fact, you might want to make a list of people that actually think he is a good coach:

Idgit, Jones, 7% of Cowboy fans.

Two of those names are bums with an axe to grind. Crayton? Who cares, he dropped an easy TD in the Cabo game and quit on another TD route. I could care less what that loser thinks.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If he was, why did five franchises essentially fire him and walk away from him entirely?

The question you should ask is why were 4 teams after his first willing to bring him on?

Probably has something to do with how he performed his job right?

Missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Diehardblues]

I know ownership thinks highly of Garrett, that’s the problem. I still think he’s gone after this year unless Zeke and Richard save his job. You’d think An offensive minded coach would have our passing game on point but hey

Your certainly entitied to think that but it doesn’t make it valid nor as you even stated reflect the pulse of ownership.

My thoughts attempt to look thru the eyes of our ownership predicting their actions not ours.

 

[Diehardblues]

The question you should ask is why were 4 teams after his first willing to bring him on?

Probably has something to do with how he performed his job right?

Missing the forest for the trees.

TO was a negative in the lockeroom which ultimately over shadowed his production on the field.

 

[Diehardblues]

If Dallas was to win a SB this year I believe I'd still be torn on keeping Garrett, rod, and linehan. And that's a sad thing.

That’s because of underlying agendas. There’s some that feel the same about Jerry or did with Romo. Fans hate to be wrong.

 

[McKDaddy]

Thread full of folks attacking TO's character because they know they cant refute his points. Color me surprised

T.O. is a flawed individual no doubt but you are exactly correct, it doesn't mean he is ignorant or wrong about everything. He generally starts off on legitimate ground when you really listen to what he is saying. His biggest issue is he tends to keep walking down the road treating each new step as if it is 100% factual & thus getting off track.

When i was young, it was impressed upon me that facts & arguments are like tree limbs. You can start off with indisputable facts that are rock solid but each extension of that fact becomes less fact & more subjective. If you aren't careful, you end up believing you are still on a solid 8" limb when you are really out on the end where only the tiniest of facts remain.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

TO was a negative in the lockeroom which ultimately over shadowed his production on the field.

The question was whether he was good at his job or not and what evidence of 5 teams dealing with his personality meant.

Nobody credibly argues he wasnt divisive.

 

[Diehardblues]

T.O. is a flawed individual no doubt but you are exactly correct, it doesn't mean he is ignorant or wrong about everything. He generally starts off on legitimate ground when you really listen to what he is saying. His biggest issue is he tends to keep walking down the road treating each new step as if it is 100% factual & thus getting off track.

When i was young, it was impressed upon me that facts & arguments are like tree limbs. You can start off with indisputable facts that are rock solid but each extension of that fact becomes less fact & more subjective. If you aren't careful, you end up believing you are still on a solid 8" limb when you are really out on the end where only the tiniest of facts remain.

The only reason TO sentiments are being shared and used here is they support Garrett’s Lynch Mob .

 

[McKDaddy]

The only reason TO sentiments are being shared and used here is they support Garrett’s Lynch Mob .

So there aren't any reasons the mob assembled in the first place?

 

[Diehardblues]

So there aren't any reasons the mob assembled in the first place?

If course but there wouldn’t have been any interest in TO unless he was bashing Garrett.

 

[Big_D]

The bottom line is Jerry is a POS GM which coincides with his decision to keep a coach 12 years when he should've never been hired in the first place!

 

[gjkoeppen]

I recall that interview but not the specifics as pertained to drafting Troy which despite whatever your interpretations are I maintain their intention was always to draft Troy.

That doesn’t mean there weren’t other considerations like Mandarich which I recall as well. Or the implications of taking Walsh.

Again, I’m simply disputing your claim about Jimmy not having 2 of the Tripletts. Unless I misread your intentions?

I don't know how else to explain how those six sat and discussed during that round table how Johnson as late as the day before the draft still wanted Mandarich and how Johnson first wanted James Francis and then Tony Bennett and wasn't even thinking of Emmitt. This is what happened but those who think Johnson had all this power and authority and ran things in Dallas disbelieve this. So either those six lied about what happened on live world wide TV or the doubters are wrong. Can't have it both ways.
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