The Herd - Rating Dak

gjkoeppen said:
When you look at things logically and without bias it's tough to disagree with The Herd. As he said numbers don't lie.
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Like I mentioned before... stats aren't everything, or even the biggest part of if a player is good or not. Because you can't accurately compare players using stats, without each situation, every play, every player, being the same other then the QB in this instance. You can get an idea, but saying numbers do not lie... is a lie...

I am not even saying that, as it pertains to Dak... I am saying that, because stats are not the tell all.

Alex Smith - personally I like him... most people don't. But if you are going by stats... he is a great QB. People knock him for the same reasons many of us knock Dak... so many short passes. No long game... But he is actually accurate on long passes as well, but he protects the ball.

Romo - Best QB Dallas ever had, if numbers don't lie in stats.

Eli - I think we all agree he is not a top tier QB, and never was... but he has 2 rings, and 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and 4 Pro Bowls.

Drew Brees - He is a phenom. I personally think he is better then Brady, Rodgers, and Big Ben.

Matt Ryan - Many people don't think he is great. Personally I do... But if stats don't lie, then he is a great QB, 4 Pro Bowls, NFL MVP, etc...

But no matter how you look at it... It is impossible to accurately compare players by stats. You can say a player is good based on their stats... But you can't say Brees really is better then Brady or Vice Versa... Unless you had a way to put them on the field with the same players, and the same exact situations, the same exact plays, the same exact wind speed, the same exact temperature, etc...

Been a programmer all my life... We also do a ton of online marketing looking at metrics like EPC, in the way we would use it would be earnings per click. Basically if 50 people click on a link and 1 person buys, I can get my EPC from that.

The number is meaningless, yet people use it constantly... The reason it is meaningless with what I do is because there are all types of traffic making up that EPC.

Organic traffic (people found, and clicked by visiting a site that was ranking that we owned)
Social Media traffic (paid ads on Facebook for example)
SEM - which is search engine marketing... buying ads on Google AdWords for example...

Now all of those traffic sources are hitting things and making a EPC that is skewed... Because you have different types of traffic, different types of ads, different methods of getting to the point of conversion. So it is basically a worthless number. The only thing it really tells me, is if something is actually worth pursuing. Basically is it worth it to keep selling it. If we were looking for a product to promote for example as an affiliate, we might look at it to determine if it at least sells. But, I wouldn't base my ad spend on the EPC number. because it is always skewed...

Same with stats in the NFL when comparing players.
 
BourbonBalz said:
I’ve forgotten more about football and the NFL than you’ll ever know. Dak took over a team that went 4-12 the year before. He went 13-3 as a rookie QB that was thrust into the limelight and didn’t even get starter reps in training camp. Your response is that of a know nothing moron.
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You didn't answer my question... How many rookie starting QBs in the history of the league fell into such a great position?

Give me at least one.

And wins and losses don't count for Dak because he's the ultimate non factor (game is not on his shoulders , won't carry the team)

He didn't "take over" anything , he simply rode the bus and the staff tried to hide him all season.
It's like saying Tyrone Crawford is better than Myles Garrett because he "won" more games ... Pure idiocy.
 
BourbonBalz said:
The Kneeler and RGIII looked like future greats early in their careers as well. I’m sure people made the same mistake with them that you’re making with JG now. The truth is no one, including you, knows how his career will go. You can think it, but it’s nothing but a guess on your part. He might turn into a future HOFer or he might be out of the league in 3 years. What we do know is that Dak has taken a 4-12 team to a 13-3 team and into the playoffs and performed very well doing it as a ROOKIE. He would’ve done it again last year had it not been for injuries and the crooked suspension. Those are the facts.
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Let's try something ..

If Garoppolo was our QB , do you think defenses would stack the box against us?

I'll never forget troy Aikman's words in that Seattle game last season

"You have to make the defense back down , you have to take advantage of these one on ones!!"

" You need chunk plays because it's very hard in the NFL to constantly put 15 play drives and score , something will always go wrong , a sack or a penalty and that's what Romo gave you "

Defenses flat out think Prescott sucks.. I mean , how many other QBs get the 9 in the box all game treatment?

That should tell you all you need to know
 
starcity214 said:
You didn't answer my question... How many rookie starting QBs in the history of the league fell into such a great position?

Give me at least one.

And wins and losses don't count for Dak because he's the ultimate non factor (game is not on his shoulders , won't carry the team)

He didn't "take over" anything , he simply rode the bus and the staff tried to hide him all season.
It's like saying Tyrone Crawford is better than Myles Garrett because he "won" more games ... Pure idiocy.
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Heck with Zeke and our OFF-line and ex Dez and Witten I would have made the playoffs starting at QB for our Boys.
Dak fell into the perfect storm which after 1 year and the defenses now having tape on him became in 2017 the Nightmare Storm for him and us!
 
Someone look up at how dropped interceptions Jimmy G had. He has potential, but to say he is way ahead of Dak is laughable. Both players have some intangible qualities that will take them places, but anointing JG as a sure fire, can’t miss player is a mistake.
 
gjkoeppen said:
They struck gold is right. When are they gonna realize it's fools gold. Daks last season was compatible to Tyrod Taylor. While Dak had 22 tds and 13 ints and Wentz even though he was injured had 33 tds and 7int. Yep they sound about even. Dak had 8 games under 200 yds while Wentz had 3 games under 200.[/QUOT

So now you're comparing 2 teams, one the Super Bowl champs, the other that didn't make the playoffs. The operative word being TEAMS. When spouting picks from 2017 you forgot or intentionally omitted the fact that Prescott set an NFL record for fewest picks by a rookie QB that started all 16 games. Where was Wentz on that one. Again it's a team sport and there were many reasons that Prescott had no control over that had direct affects on the outcomes of games. Those that want to just single out Prescott do so because they don't understand that the other 10 on offense and the 11 on defense plus the special teams have a direct affect on the outcome of games.
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gjkoeppen said:
When spouting picks from 2017 you forgot or intentionally omitted the fact that Prescott set an NFL record for fewest picks by a rookie QB that started all 16 games.
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Yeah I did intentionally not mention that!!!
That season was an anomally and Im going by the most current stats. People were comparing Dak and Wentz and I was just posting the latest info for everyone to make their own decision. I dont see them even at all. But I dont go by the stats I go by the play I see on the field. You talk about the other players around them need to do their job and I agree! I definitely put some blame on the coaches and players but my problem with Dak is there is always going to be times where a QB is being chased or off balance and under pressure and he has to make the right decision and throw. Dak is limited because he cant be falling away or off balance because as we have seen his ball floats or ends up in the turf. Even when Dak has a clean pocket and 6 sec to throw while most QBs only have 4 sec I cant even remember the last time I saw a throw from Dak that I said to myself WOW that was a heck of a throw.
 
starcity214 said:
Let's try something ..

If Garoppolo was our QB , do you think defenses would stack the box against us?

I'll never forget troy Aikman's words in that Seattle game last season

"You have to make the defense back down , you have to take advantage of these one on ones!!"

" You need chunk plays because it's very hard in the NFL to constantly put 15 play drives and score , something will always go wrong , a sack or a penalty and that's what Romo gave you "

Defenses flat out think Prescott sucks.. I mean , how many other QBs get the 9 in the box all game treatment?

That should tell you all you need to know
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This pretty much covers it all !!!
And its only going to get worse if Dak doesnt adjust! My issue is either he doesnt have the arm strength or refuses to step into his throws because he loses accuracy so therefore he doesnt make those mid range throws. Aikman is right!
 
Hadenough said:
This pretty much covers it all !!!
And its only going to get worse if Dak doesnt adjust! My issue is either he doesnt have the arm strength or refuses to step into his throws because he loses accuracy so therefore he doesnt make those mid range throws. Aikman is right!
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We're going to waste another year of NO Glory confirming what some of us already know.....Dak Prescott is NOT QUALIFIED to start at QB for America's team due to his inept talent base!:facepalm:
 
PAPPYDOG said:
We're going to waste another year of NO Glory confirming what some of us already know.....Dak Prescott is NOT QUALIFIED to start at QB for America's due to a inept talent base!:facepalm:
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This is exactly why I wanted Dallas to continue the search for a QB. I like the fact they took a flier in the kid White!
 
BourbonBalz said:
The Kneeler and RGIII looked like future greats early in their careers as well. I’m sure people made the same mistake with them that you’re making with JG now. The truth is no one, including you, knows how his career will go. You can think it, but it’s nothing but a guess on your part. He might turn into a future HOFer or he might be out of the league in 3 years. What we do know is that Dak has taken a 4-12 team to a 13-3 team and into the playoffs and performed very well doing it as a ROOKIE. He would’ve done it again last year had it not been for injuries and the crooked suspension. Those are the facts.
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LOL...….you seem like a really angry guy. Im Dak's biggest fan on here in case you haven't noticed.

I stand by my statement. At this time Garrap is the more seasoned and better QB. Not saying its by much. I expect Dak to get there, but as far as passing the ball, he isn't there yet.

But I love your enthusiasm for Dak. Keep it up. Just point it at the Dak haters on here. Were on the same team buddy.
 
We still talkin about this junk? lol..wow guys...Colin Cow-turd doesn't deserve this much attention. Rating a guy in May is absurd as HELL. Especially a 3rd year QB...going into his 3rd season only. Its just click bait.
 
Dak’s first two seasons stack up with anyone in the leagues history. I think treating Dez like he was Julio last year hurt his numbers, the oline struggled as well. I know the conparison to Wilson has legs, but Dak is not an undersized qb and Wilson is much more mobile. I think they are both natural leaders which may be the most important quality. I wory about the wrs and the DTs and the TEs, I have zero worry about QB. Going back to the Herd list, I have a hard time putting Jimmy G in tier 2 with 5 starts.
 
starcity214 said:
You didn't answer my question... How many rookie starting QBs in the history of the league fell into such a great position?

Give me at least one.

And wins and losses don't count for Dak because he's the ultimate non factor (game is not on his shoulders , won't carry the team)

He didn't "take over" anything , he simply rode the bus and the staff tried to hide him all season.
It's like saying Tyrone Crawford is better than Myles Garrett because he "won" more games ... Pure idiocy.
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You didn’t address my point. If he fell into such a great situation, why was he a roookie QB on a team coming off a 4-12 season?
 
JW82 said:
Dak’s first two seasons stack up with anyone in the leagues history. I think treating Dez like he was Julio last year hurt his numbers, the oline struggled as well. I know the conparison to Wilson has legs, but Dak is not an undersized qb and Wilson is much more mobile. I think they are both natural leaders which may be the most important quality. I wory about the wrs and the DTs and the TEs, I have zero worry about QB. Going back to the Herd list, I have a hard time putting Jimmy G in tier 2 with 5 starts.
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They don't. See Luck and Cam.

Hey, I like Dak, dude has a great pocket presence and poise, not to mention a great attitude and work ethic. He quite simply has some things to correct. We're now building the team to suit him, we'll see!!!
 
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