How will our inexperienced wide receivers do in 2018?

**Until the receivers can beat single coverage, which they in theory should be better at doing. A QB beats 8-man boxes with pass protection and receivers who can get open quickly. Any Qb would have trouble beating 8-man boxes with pressure in his face and no reliable place to go with the ball. Both of these things should be there this year; if so, then the offense will be highly efficient.

I would say our receivers we're getting open just fine last year, as they have for the last several years.
 
Hail fellows, patriots and wards of the court, tell me your gut feelings about our inexperienced (inexperienced to Dallas and the playbook) wide receivers. How will they do in 2018?

If me bean counters at the Farmers Branch rec center are correct, our Cowboys amassed (o_O) 3,326 total yards in 2017, a fair amount if you are a Cleveland fan. Total passing yards by our 16 opponents: 3,746, against our middling to bad secondary.

A quick rundown since 2015:

2015: 3,677 Cowboys passing yards / 3,861 passing yards, opponents
2016: 3,759 Cowboys passing yards / 4,376 passing yards, opponents (horrific pass defense!)
2017: 3,326 Cowboys passing yards / 3,746 passing yards, opponents (improvement in pass defense!)

This so-called passing attack by committee has failure written all over it, imho, mates.
The only good thing about it, ruffians, is that our opponents won't be able to key in on any particular receivers.
The bad thing, cooty fellows? The defenses will stack the line against Zeke and, potentially, shut us down.

Tell me how you think our WR corps will do in 2018, good lads! Will the pressure fall on the poor sap who is our starting TE?
I look for a downturn in total passing yards, to ... say 3,200 total yards for about 200 per yards a game. Some games 150 measly total yards.

What say you, me hearties? Tell me I am overly pessimistic!
Honestly there 'Gimme' I'm not even missing a wink of sleep or adding wrinkles of consternation to my seldom furrowed brow!,,,& I'll tell you why, #4 isn't as bad of a 'pocket passer' as even I myself have cast upon him,,,if anybody thinks he's not extensively been 'fine grit wet sanding' on what flaws thats been needing polished,you ought to pull back & regroup those thoughts till the 1/4 mark of the season, as this is a revamped & upgunned core of receivers that ol' #4 is dictating to, not being under the brow beating 'eye' of any "old salty hands" static fuzz rumble in the huddle he'll have to swim through, the FO went out& landed him quality timed route running targets to fire at,and rest assured, he's gonna hit what he " quick strike " fires at:thumbup:

* #4 is on the brink of the edge in a 4,000 yard air attack season in 2018, expect to see a wide out within that 8-10 ol' X#82 comfort zone A.O. kinda regularo_O

:starspin::star::starspin:
 
I would say our receivers we're getting open just fine last year, as they have for the last several years.
Well that would be wrong. In average yards of separation for pass-catchers, our receivers ranked 24th (T-Will), 96th (Dez), and 98th (Beas) according to NFL NextGen stats. Dez has been on a steady decline for 3 years, T-Will chose last year to have the worst season of his career (right after a contract go-figure) & has trouble catching with his hands, and a slot receiver can only move your offense so much.


I don't think any team in the NFL would want our 2017 WR's as their line-up today. Every team would have gone into 2018 attempting to upgrade the position. Dallas has made an honest attempt, now it's time to see if the X's an O's are going to hold up their end of the bargain; that is what I'm really skeptical about.
 
Well that would be wrong. In average yards of separation for pass-catchers, our receivers ranked 24th (T-Will), 96th (Dez), and 98th (Beas) according to NFL NextGen stats. Dez has been on a steady decline for 3 years, T-Will chose last year to have the worst season of his career (right after a contract go-figure) & has trouble catching with his hands, and a slot receiver can only move your offense so much.


I don't think any team in the NFL would want our 2017 WR's as their line-up today. Every team would have gone into 2018 attempting to upgrade the position. Dallas has made an honest attempt, now it's time to see if the X's an O's are going to hold up their end of the bargain; that is what I'm really skeptical about.

Again, when I see wide open targets i don't care what the stats say. Beas was never a scrub, but your stats suggest otherwise. Witten isn't always open, but he's open a lot, same with the other receivers. It's all about the delivery.

You think all our receivers suddenly chose to have a down year at the same time? Come on now.
 
I am not expecting much out of the inexperienced WR's. If this passing game is to improve, it will be up to the experience of Hurns, Williams, Beasley and Austin.

The other key to the passing game is can they get by without keeping an extra blocker in for protection? They're going to sell out to stop the run and put 8 in the box ,can those receivers get separation quickly enough and make the DC pay.

The offense is set up to run to pass and they may have to reverse that to run the offense they want to run. The good news is that all 4 of those WR's mentioned above have shown themselves to be very good...… at times.

The biggest mystery of this passing game is how dependent was the QB on the #1WR and TE. Some see addition through subtraction and that is completely unknown at this time.

I feel this WR corps is good enough to get it done but they must stay healthy and allow the QB to play "open receiver" football like the tier 1 QB's get to play. Their magic, Brady, Brees and Rodgers, is they don't have a #1, therefore the hot receiver will rotate more giving them more opportunities and keeping them on their toes. Without a #1WR, no plays off for any WR's.
 
Again, when I see wide open targets i don't care what the stats say. Beas was never a scrub, but your stats suggest otherwise. Witten isn't always open, but he's open a lot, same with the other receivers. It's all about the delivery.

You think all our receivers suddenly chose to have a down year at the same time? Come on now.

The literal purpose of that stat is to quantify how open a WR is. Beasley and Dez were not open the same way the were in 2016 and that's just purely factual. I think almost all of the NFL is in agreement that Dez has declined significantly since his prime, it's hard to dispute that.

No the receivers didn't go into a room and collectively decide to play worse, but that's what happened due to the way the passing game was ran in Romo's system. I've done this for casual fans multiple times so stay with me:

Romo's passing offense (the offensive scheme we had with Tony that was tailored to his strengths), was predicated on Tony's chemistry with Dez and he often switched out of run plays into plays designed to get Dez the ball in 1v1 situations. (2014 Dez non-catch you can see DeMarco Murray screaming in frustration).

Romo's connection with Dez and their success allowed him to funnel most of the WR targets to him, while allowing the attention Dez provided to open up the rest of the field for the other WR's. Romo and Dez where elite players at their positions and when you have elite personnel you run your system through them, that's just plain obvious. But its this system combined with how abruptly Romo was lost that came back to bite us in the a**.

When Romo went down late in TC, Dak was given a simplified playbook to Romo's offense and was put in positions where he could use his strengths (read-option, read and react passing, play action). With Dez in and out of the lineup that year as well as Dak and Zeke's success sweeping the nation, Dak was able to play to his strengths and not be forced into playing through Dez as Romo liked to.

But when Dez declined in 2017 (which is just a fact), that offense became ineffective. He no longer garnered the attention he used to and could no longer open up the field like he used to. This forced T-Will and Beas to do more, and with Zeke's suspension and O-line issues, it was just too much.

Instead of installing a 'Dak-friendly' offense in 2017, the coaches decided to just give Dak more responsibility in Romo's scheme. Think about that. The playbook barely changed but the quarterbacks are different in their strengths and weaknesses, yet the passing strategy remains the same. That's a huge coaching error that the team realized this year on its way to releasing Dez and emphasizing a 'Dak-friendly' approach.

Problems are often not as simple as they appear, and the genesis of the WR issue did not arise suddenly in 2017, but was boiling up and erupted due to a difficult set of circumstances. Maybe if Romo could stay healthy and Dez worked a little harder to cultivate his skills outside of his natural talent, this system could still be effective with the personnel from 2017. But that isn't the case and changes have to be made accordingly.

I've never seen so much criticism heaped on the back of a 2nd year guy who had various less than ideal situations around him (depth issues, Zeke, coaching deficiencies). Let's see what he does when the conditions around him are a little more conducive to winning football. That should be this year.
 
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The literal purpose of that stat is to quantify how open a WR is. Beasley and Dez were not open the same way the were in 2016 and that's just purely factual. I think almost all of the NFL is in agreement that Dez has declined significantly since his prime, it's hard to dispute that.

No the receivers didn't go into a room and collectively decide to play worse, but that's what happened due to the way the passing game was ran in Romo's system. I've done this for casual fans multiple times so stay with me:

Romo's passing offense (the offensive scheme we had with Tony that was tailored to his strengths), was predicated on Tony's chemistry with Dez and he often switched out of run plays into plays designed to get Dez the ball in 1v1 situations. (2014 Dez non-catch you can see DeMarco Murray screaming in frustration).

Romo's connection with Dez and their success allowed him to funnel most of the WR targets to him, while allowing the attention Dez provided to open up the rest of the field for the other WR's. Romo and Dez where elite players at their positions and when you have elite personnel you run your system through them, that's just plain obvious. But its this system combined with how abruptly Romo was lost that came back to bite us in the a**.

When Romo went down late in TC, Dak was given a simplified playbook to Romo's offense and was put in positions where he could use his strengths (read-option, read and react passing, play action). With Dez in and out of the lineup that year as well as Dak and Zeke's success sweeping the nation, Dak was able to play to his strengths and not be forced into playing through Dez as Romo liked to.

But when Dez declined in 2017 (which is just a fact), that offense became ineffective. He no longer garnered the attention he used to and could no longer open up the field like he used to. This forced T-Will and Beas to do more, and with Zeke's suspension and O-line issues, it was just too much.

Instead of installing a 'Dak-friendly' offense in 2017, the coaches decided to just give Dak more responsibility in Romo's scheme. Think about that. The playbook barely changed and the quarterbacks are different in their strengths and weaknesses, yet the passing strategy remains the same. That's a huge coaching error that the team realized this year on its way to releasing Dez and emphasizing a 'Dak-friendly' approach.

Problems are often not as simple as they appear, and the genesis of the WR issue did not arise suddenly in 2017, but was boiling up and erupted due to a difficult set of circumstance. Maybe if Romo could stay healthy and Dez worked a little harder to cultivate his skills outside of his natural talent, this system could still be effective with the personnel form 2017. But that isn't the case and changes have to be made accordingly.

I've never seen so much criticism heaped on the back of a 2nd year guy who had various less than ideal situations around him (depth issues, Zeke, coaching deficiencies). Let's see what he does when the conditions around him are a little more conducive to winning football. They should be this year.
For the record you never lost me, but you throw a lot of judgement and opinions to fit your opinion that no one wants our receivers and Dallas tried fixing the problem by bringing in a bunch of receivers.

I ask, since you're using stats that Twill had the worst year and by rankings Beas was trash last year, why did Dallas not dump either one yet? They're cheap and twill has an injury and a highly questionable incident to his name. We have enough wrs to be just fine, right?
 
Hail fellows, patriots and wards of the court, tell me your gut feelings about our inexperienced (inexperienced to Dallas and the playbook) wide receivers. How will they do in 2018?

If me bean counters at the Farmers Branch rec center are correct, our Cowboys amassed (o_O) 3,326 total yards in 2017, a fair amount if you are a Cleveland fan. Total passing yards by our 16 opponents: 3,746, against our middling to bad secondary.

A quick rundown since 2015:

2015: 3,677 Cowboys passing yards / 3,861 passing yards, opponents
2016: 3,759 Cowboys passing yards / 4,376 passing yards, opponents (horrific pass defense!)
2017: 3,326 Cowboys passing yards / 3,746 passing yards, opponents (improvement in pass defense!)

This so-called passing attack by committee has failure written all over it, imho, mates.
The only good thing about it, ruffians, is that our opponents won't be able to key in on any particular receivers.
The bad thing, cooty fellows? The defenses will stack the line against Zeke and, potentially, shut us down.

Tell me how you think our WR corps will do in 2018, good lads! Will the pressure fall on the poor sap who is our starting TE?
I look for a downturn in total passing yards, to ... say 3,200 total yards for about 200 per yards a game. Some games 150 measly total yards.

What say you, me hearties? Tell me I am overly pessimistic!
Don't start just yet with the Glenlivet cure for Cowboy PTSD. :banghead:
I think there will be some occasional growing pains just based on new game planning, new vets, and rooks. But, I do like the new vets because of their experience. Don't think we will see the recent amount of forced passes.
I think we see a higher completion percentage and YAC. DCs will have to learn our new looks and player tendencies. A huge emphasis on success is based on Dak's execution and line protection (the latter = less Chaz and better coaching recognition of in-game adjustments.)
As long as we don't start all the rooks at the same time!
 
For the record you never lost me, but you throw a lot of judgement and opinions to fit your opinion that no one wants our receivers and Dallas tried fixing the problem by bringing in a bunch of receivers.

I ask, since you're using stats that Twill had the worst year and by rankings Beas was trash last year, why did Dallas not dump either one yet? They're cheap and twill has an injury and a highly questionable incident to his name. We have enough wrs to be just fine, right?


You keep throwing me ally-oops I'll keep dunking them my man. Dallas bringing in a bunch of receivers is a direct causation of the WR play in 2017. Why would you bring in 4.5 (Tavon) new receivers in if there wasn't a problem with the receivers in 2017? Duh they are trying to fix the problem with other players, how else do you fix a personnel issue?

In terms of other teams wanting our receivers I'm just using logic. No one has signed Dez and it's clear he is no longer a WR1. T-Will plays hard and is a good blocker but his worst attribute as a WR is his hands. The man gets paid to catch a football but has trouble using his hands. I don't think those are the traits many teams want as his best fits are with a run first team, which cancels out 2/3rds of the league.

Bease can still play but slot receivers aren't usually very effective when they get bracket covered. That position isn't supposed to be the focal point of the receiver corps.

T-Will is still on the team for the same reason Scandrick was last year. You don't wanna completely gut your personnel group in one year, its better to have some familiar faces that can be good vets and transition the group into the new era. Throw in his contract as well and it doesn't really make sense to cut him. Now since he might be suspended and he is injured, there's a good possibility he's gone a year earlier than expected.

Bease can still be effective and has 1 more year of guaranteed money on his deal. They are hoping that without bracket coverage, he can be back to 2016 form. If not, he'll be gone by 2019 as well.

By the end of 2019, the WR overhaul will be complete just as the CB overhaul looks to be done now. We had the same 3 guys at the top of the depth chart for 4/5 years. It's simply just time for a change. That's the nature of a decline, one day you're playing at one level and the next day you aren't. Again there are other reasons that factored into it that I went into on the previous post, but as a whole the WR's played worse from 2016-2017. That's just a fact.
 
You keep throwing me ally-oops I'll keep dunking them my man. Dallas bringing in a bunch of receivers is a direct causation of the WR play in 2017. Why would you bring in 4.5 (Tavon) new receivers in if there wasn't a problem with the receivers in 2017? Duh they are trying to fix the problem with other players, how else do you fix a personnel issue?

In terms of other teams wanting our receivers I'm just using logic. No one has signed Dez and it's clear he is no longer a WR1. T-Will plays hard and is a good blocker but his worst attribute as a WR is his hands. The man gets paid to catch a football but has trouble using his hands. I don't think those are the traits many teams want as his best fits are with a run first team, which cancels out 2/3rds of the league.

Bease can still play but slot receivers aren't usually very effective when they get bracket covered. That position isn't supposed to be the focal point of the receiver corps.

T-Will is still on the team for the same reason Scandrick was last year. You don't wanna completely gut your personnel group in one year, its better to have some familiar faces that can be good vets and transition the group into the new era. Throw in his contract as well and it doesn't really make sense to cut him. Now since he might be suspended and he is injured, there's a good possibility he's gone a year earlier than expected.

Bease can still be effective and has 1 more year of guaranteed money on his deal. They are hoping that without bracket coverage, he can be back to 2016 form. If not, he'll be gone by 2019 as well.

By the end of 2019, the WR overhaul will be complete just as the CB overhaul looks to be done now. We had the same 3 guys at the top of the depth chart for 4/5 years. It's simply just time for a change. That's the nature of a decline, one day you're playing at one level and the next day you aren't. Again there are other reasons that factored into it that I went into on the previous post, but as a whole the WR's played worse from 2016-2017. That's just a fact.
No alleyoops, just direct input. Many will say Scandrick did us no good to be on the team his last season. I liked him before and I would agree it did more harm to keep him. We have a few backup wrs from before and all new faces. If twill and Beas statistically sucked as you base your premise then there's no problem replacing their cheap contracts with another.

Twill was never worthy of another contract, a foot injury and DUI while fleeing the incident shouldn't be an issue to release...dont keep him just because you don't want to get rid of all your familiars.

You say new wrs were brought in because the old ones sucked or retired. I believe new faces were brought in to be Dak/Garret friendly guys, to not question QB play or question the coaching decisions that have been plaguing the team for too long. Garret created a rift between him and some of the offensive players so he did what any coach does, remove them. Dez was our best and I believe Butler should've been our number two. I believe the coaches made mistakes by not keeping certain players, restructured or not, so obviously they're forced to find replacements.
 
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The literal purpose of that stat is to quantify how open a WR is. Beasley and Dez were not open the same way the were in 2016 and that's just purely factual. I think almost all of the NFL is in agreement that Dez has declined significantly since his prime, it's hard to dispute that.

No the receivers didn't go into a room and collectively decide to play worse, but that's what happened due to the way the passing game was ran in Romo's system. I've done this for casual fans multiple times so stay with me:

Romo's passing offense (the offensive scheme we had with Tony that was tailored to his strengths), was predicated on Tony's chemistry with Dez and he often switched out of run plays into plays designed to get Dez the ball in 1v1 situations. (2014 Dez non-catch you can see DeMarco Murray screaming in frustration).

Romo's connection with Dez and their success allowed him to funnel most of the WR targets to him, while allowing the attention Dez provided to open up the rest of the field for the other WR's. Romo and Dez where elite players at their positions and when you have elite personnel you run your system through them, that's just plain obvious. But its this system combined with how abruptly Romo was lost that came back to bite us in the a**.

When Romo went down late in TC, Dak was given a simplified playbook to Romo's offense and was put in positions where he could use his strengths (read-option, read and react passing, play action). With Dez in and out of the lineup that year as well as Dak and Zeke's success sweeping the nation, Dak was able to play to his strengths and not be forced into playing through Dez as Romo liked to.

But when Dez declined in 2017 (which is just a fact), that offense became ineffective. He no longer garnered the attention he used to and could no longer open up the field like he used to. This forced T-Will and Beas to do more, and with Zeke's suspension and O-line issues, it was just too much.

Instead of installing a 'Dak-friendly' offense in 2017, the coaches decided to just give Dak more responsibility in Romo's scheme. Think about that. The playbook barely changed but the quarterbacks are different in their strengths and weaknesses, yet the passing strategy remains the same. That's a huge coaching error that the team realized this year on its way to releasing Dez and emphasizing a 'Dak-friendly' approach.

Problems are often not as simple as they appear, and the genesis of the WR issue did not arise suddenly in 2017, but was boiling up and erupted due to a difficult set of circumstances. Maybe if Romo could stay healthy and Dez worked a little harder to cultivate his skills outside of his natural talent, this system could still be effective with the personnel from 2017. But that isn't the case and changes have to be made accordingly.

I've never seen so much criticism heaped on the back of a 2nd year guy who had various less than ideal situations around him (depth issues, Zeke, coaching deficiencies). Let's see what he does when the conditions around him are a little more conducive to winning football. That should be this year.
I'd deemed the effort posted thru yer' fandom " like" worthy friend:thumbup:
* although, even at age 22 you ought to know there aren't all that many * casual fans* posting around hereo_O,,,yet ,I can appreciate the forethought in attempting explanation to the 3 to 4 times daily forum guest lurkers than registered MEMBERS! That are in daily attendance,,,:starspin:



** good call kiddo;)
 
No alleyoops, just direct input. Many will say Scandrick did us no good to be on the team his last season. I liked him before and I would agree it did more harm to keep him. We have a few backup wrs from before and all new faces. If twill and Beas statistically sucked as you base your premise then there's no problem replacing their cheap contracts with another.

Twill was never worthy of another contract, a foot injury and DUI while fleeing the incident shouldn't be an issue to release...dont keep him just because you don't want to get rid of all your familiars.

You say new wrs were brought in because the old ones sucked or retired. I believe new faces were brought in to be Dak/Garret friendly guys, to not question QB play or question the coaching decisions that have been plaguing the team for too long. Garret created a rift between him and some of the offensive players so he did what any coach does, remove them. Dez was our best and I believe Butler should've been our number two. I believe the coaches made mistakes by not keeping certain players, restructured or not, so obviously they're forced to find replacements.

Well its easy to say that about Scandrick after the fact. The truth is when you bring in 4 rookies to replace 4 vets, you'd like to have at least one or two guys there to smooth the transition and be a steadying veteran presence in the locker room. Not only was Scandrick one of the few at the position under contract, but he was also the best out of all of them and has been the most consistent throughout his 10 years in DFW. Keeping him on the roster made complete sense; especially since soft tissue injuries ravaged the rookies last year.

Again, I think it's pretty clear why T-Will and Beasley weren't released ASAP and Dez was. And anybody arguing that Brice Butler is a #2 NFL receiver is very wrong. The man hasn't been a starting receiver since HS. Seriously he wasn't even a starter in college. The guy has 73 CAREER receptions. He is a classic height/weight/speed guy who has a propensity for losing focus and missing big plays. He's JAG. He played a deep threat role pretty well, but that's about it. I bet he goes the rest of his career without you missing him one bit.
 
Well its easy to say that about Scandrick after the fact. The truth is when you bring in 4 rookies to replace 4 vets, you'd like to have at least one or two guys there to smooth the transition and be a steadying veteran presence in the locker room. Not only was Scandrick one of the few at the position under contract, but he was also the best out of all of them and has been the most consistent throughout his 10 years in DFW. Keeping him on the roster made complete sense; especially since soft tissue injuries ravaged the rookies last year.

Again, I think it's pretty clear why T-Will and Beasley weren't released ASAP and Dez was. And anybody arguing that Brice Butler is a #2 NFL receiver is very wrong. The man hasn't been a starting receiver since HS. Seriously he wasn't even a starter in college. The guy has 73 CAREER receptions. He is a classic height/weight/speed guy who has a propensity for losing focus and missing big plays. He's JAG. He played a deep threat role pretty well, but that's about it. I bet he goes the rest of his career without you missing him one bit.
don't assume it's easy to say after the fact. When Scandrick came back from his knee injury he never looked the same, in terms of speed, quickness, and his desire to pursue the ball carrier. It wasn't just Dez that was gone, Dallas never made an effort to re-sign Butler and were quick to get rid of Switzer. We all know Garrett and this team have a history of not keeping/playing people who show potential, regardless of the reason or players history from high school...
 
I expect some growing/chemistry pains but eventually they will get in sync...

Not only that, but I think Dak will appreciate not having a player constantly annoying him for the ball, then letting it bounce off his hands. I think the fact that we have a set of inexperienced WRs who don't have room to talk yet will help Dak. As I stated, Dak did better without Dez than he did with Dez in 2016. I see no reason why that will be different this year. As long as Zeke is running to his capability, I see no reason why our WRs can't be successful.
 
For the record you never lost me, but you throw a lot of judgement and opinions to fit your opinion that no one wants our receivers and Dallas tried fixing the problem by bringing in a bunch of receivers.

I ask, since you're using stats that Twill had the worst year and by rankings Beas was trash last year, why did Dallas not dump either one yet? They're cheap and twill has an injury and a highly questionable incident to his name. We have enough wrs to be just fine, right?

T Will has a guaranteed salary for 2018. If T Will is suspended, Dallas can get out of the contract and T Will will be released. Beas was double teamed last year which explains the reason his stats were down.
 
Not only that, but I think Dak will appreciate not having a player constantly annoying him for the ball, then letting it bounce off his hands. I think the fact that we have a set of inexperienced WRs who don't have room to talk yet will help Dak. As I stated, Dak did better without Dez than he did with Dez in 2016. I see no reason why that will be different this year. As long as Zeke is running to his capability, I see no reason why our WRs can't be successful.
:hammer:More balanced attack.
 
:hammer:More balanced attack.

Exactly, and a more balanced attack means that the defense will have massive trouble stopping it. They won't be able to double anyone, at least not early on, which gives our WRs an advantage because they'll be one on one. Plus, if they sell out against the pass in general, Zeke will eat them alive. If they sell out for the run, then I think our balanced WR attack will grind them up.
 
Exactly, and a more balanced attack means that the defense will have massive trouble stopping it. They won't be able to double anyone, at least not early on, which gives our WRs an advantage because they'll be one on one. Plus, if they sell out against the pass in general, Zeke will eat them alive. If they sell out for the run, then I think our balanced WR attack will grind them up.
Gotta keep players who are focused on team, not self.
I thought Dak did well with the spread offense and no #1 until the obvious thing happened.
 

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