Martin contract getting closer but not official until contract details are released

[Vinnie2u]

Double edged sword. Sure its a no brainer Martin is a future HOF if he stays healthy. On the other side. With all that CAP spending on the Oline something gotta give. My guess that it will continue to be the defense. It will continue to be young and inexpensive. Hopefully we keep drafting and developing well.

 

[atlantacowboy]

and we can't keep drafting quality players and letting them go as they hit their prime either.

quandrious dilemma isn't it?

You have to make moves. We pretty much stand pat with who we draft and it hasn't worked. This team is a charitable donation from Philly away from being 8-8. We've seen Denver build a defense around Von Miller in one off season and then go on to win a super bowl. The Eagles traded away really good players and brough tin fresh talent to get to where they are............The Pats are constantly churning their roster and trading away players in their prime. Standing pat with what you got and not cashing in a chip every once in a while doesn't work.

 

[TwentyOne]

and we can't keep drafting quality players and letting them go as they hit their prime either.

quandrious dilemma isn't it?

So what good players we drafted did we let walk after their rookie contract ? Because like you trying to put it we do this all the time.

And no it is no dilemma. Martin had 5 great years with us. It is not like for example with lawrence were we had to wait for 3 years until he showed something. With Martin we already cashed in exactly the way it should be when you say you wanna build thru the draft. Because that doesnt mean you sign your drafted players to high 2nd contracts. It means your drafted players produce for you in their cheap rookie contracts.

You can always sign players to high 2nd contracts in FA. No need to spend draft picks on them. But spending big bucks is what you are trying to avoid.

Of course decissions are always hard. But in Martins case it shouldnt been even a question to let him walk or trying to trade him. Good guards are easy to find even im the 2nd round. And it need not be an all pro like Martin. Lets watch what conor will do at the left side. If he plays well as a 2nd rounder he will cost us a tenth of what we pay Martin but the quality drop off will be only mininal. We could invest the money in quality depth or other positions where we need better starters.

This is not a question if Martin is a great player or not. He certainly is. This is a question wether you can sustain a small drop off in production and therefore gain alot of resouces.

 

[kento40]

Yep then they wonder why Rodgers marches down field and scores on us at will.
Look on the bright side we will have the most expensive NFL offline in history!
Another waste of much needed cap dollars (Defense!!!!) for a game plan that hasn't produced squat and will continue to produce squat!

P.S. Wait till they 8 man us or we face the Eagles and Jags,Texans,then most of you will feel the need for a GREAT DEFENSE BABY cause not even the great wall of China gonna stop those defenses....

They just don't get it. Go ahead and spend a couple hundred mil on your O-line. Hope they can rush the passer and defend the pass/run for you as well. Guess we will have to score 40 a game to be successful with our Bargain basement defense

 

[Verdict]

Yeah I always get a laugh at fans celebrating a huge contract. Like they're proud of it.

I dont mean retaining the player. Thats understandable but paying the player big money. They love it. Even though every dollar he gets effects the team.

I hope Martin's agent makes some sort of error and he's contractually committed to the Cowboys for the rest of his career at a number people laugh at. I want a pissed off NFLPA wondering how this happened.

It's about the logo and laundry. Never the player.

Go Zack Martin Cowboys.

I don't think some of the people celebrating big contracts understand that there is an opportunity cost to paying cap dollars on a big contract. To the ones that do understand it and still celebrate it, well, I don't know what to think about them, other than they are just idiots or not really fans of the team.

 

[Sydla]

The signing of Martin does not preclude them from building a good defense. Stop acting like money (lack thereof) is why our defense has struggled.

 

[Teague31]

The defense has had a TON of draft capital invested in it over the years

1sts
Taco
LVE
Jones

2nds
Lee
Jaylon
Gregory
Chido
DLaw

3rd
Crawford
Collins
Lewis

 

[phildadon86]

They just don't get it. Go ahead and spend a couple hundred mil on your O-line. Hope they can rush the passer and defend the pass/run for you as well. Guess we will have to score 40 a game to be successful with our Bargain basement defense

We were middle of the pack last year in sacks, and our secondary is young talented and up and coming. Our defense is far from bargain basement. You are the one who doesnt get it. In 5 years when we are paying Chido, Jourdan, LVE, Jaylon, and Woods huge contracts you are going to be complaining.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Am I the only one that wants Connor Williams at RT and lael at guard?

I like Connor at LG because he'll be between two all pros. He's bound to make a few mistakes a s a rook. Other than that I think your "wants" are valid

 

[J12B]

Your mock contract is wrong on multiple levels, which shows your misunderstanding of the cap. First, his contract is 7 years, not 6. He’s rumored to be signing a 6 year extension, which would consolidate with his current 1/9.4 million dollar contract to create a new 7 year deal officially on the books. Secondly, it’s impossible to be free of dead money after 3 years because signing bonuses prorate over 5 years.

You’re “ballooning” of his contract is also misguided. You’ve described the cap as if it’s a static environment that doesn’t change. It’s not, it’s dynamic. The cap goes up by about $10 million every year. If his cap number goes from 5 this year to 8 next year, you still have an additional $7 million next year from natural increases, not including rollover, money coming off the books from FAs, and cuttable contracts.

I won't argue that my mock contract is incorrect because it was just an example. My point was that it would be in the Front Offices best interest to structure his contract in a way where his biggest cap hits come early in the deal, when the team has tons of cap space, rather than the other way around.

 

[Rockport]

Love Martin but no way he or any other G is worth that kinda of Cap dollars esp when you have defense that is torn apart at will by talented QB out there.....another Jerry idiotic GM move....yes 24 yrs going on 30 yrs of no SB Glory for us....

P.S. Hey Jerry here's the secret to success in today NFL.....the Cap Jerry the CAP!!!!

Amazing that we have our own fans crap on the potential Martin signing. Extreme naivete.

 

[Carter]

Because spending all our Money on the O-Line has brought so much success.....

Not a fan of spending this crap ton of Money on a Guard, not even Martin.

I just dont like burrying all cap on one Group. As soon as we have to sign our Franchise QB to real QB Money we are left with only being able to sign scrubs on Defense yet again.

Offense wins Games. Defense wins Championships. Works in almost every Sport.

 

[Flamma]

Amazing that we have our own fans crap on the potential Martin signing. Extreme naivete.

It's not really that amazing when you consider the cap hit. It's a concern. I'm ok with signing Martin because we need to solidify the trenches, but I realize it hurts us almost as much as it helps. If we're going to pay through the roof for an offensive line, then they better perform up to expectations, or else it's all for nothing. But let's not pretend it isn't a concern, and just pay the man. There is a salary cap. We can understand that really good players need to be paid. But let's not celebrate the cost.

 

[Rockport]

It's not really that amazing when you consider the cap hit. It's a concern. I'm ok with signing Martin because we need to solidify the trenches, but I realize it hurts us almost as much as it helps. If we're going to pay through the roof for an offensive line, then they better perform up to expectations, or else it's all for nothing. But let's not pretend it isn't a concern, and just pay the man. There is a salary cap. We can understand that really good players need to be paid. But let's not celebrate the cost.

So are you for or against or just covering all bases?

 

[iceberg]

You have to make moves. We pretty much stand pat with who we draft and it hasn't worked. This team is a charitable donation from Philly away from being 8-8. We've seen Denver build a defense around Von Miller in one off season and then go on to win a super bowl. The Eagles traded away really good players and brough tin fresh talent to get to where they are............The Pats are constantly churning their roster and trading away players in their prime. Standing pat with what you got and not cashing in a chip every once in a while doesn't work.

i'll keep our OL intact and be happy.

you can use 'em as madden football if you like.

 

[glimmerman]

Wondered what is the hold up on contract details.

 

[atlantacowboy]

i'll keep our OL intact and be happy.

you can use 'em as madden football if you like.

Not like you have much of a choice. Maybe you can celebrate pro bowl berths like the rest of the poster pom pom squad on here. Lord knows we aren't winning any playoff games.

 

[CPanther95]

Wondered what is the hold up on contract details.

They ran out of paper in Frisco after Gregory filed his 2000 page reinstatement paperwork.

 

[iceberg]

Not like you have much of a choice. Maybe you can celebrate pro bowl berths like the rest of the poster pom pom squad on here. Lord knows we aren't winning any playoff games.

nope. but that isn't because we're not trading our up and coming stars for some potential instant gratification.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

You fail to see that this is more than a 2 year deal.

Completely disagree and it was that type of mentality that had Dallas in cap hall for many years.

If his total contract is 84 million for 6 years that's 14 mill per year. You're thinking is give him a cap hit of 8 mill this year and sign 6 million in talent elsewhere. Next year, his cap hit would be at 10 million and sign extra talent with that savings. Before you know it, the contract has ballooned up and FO is back in cap hell and can't sign any new talent and will most likely have to let key players walk because Martin's cap hit will be exceeding the 14 million cap hit.

1st year- 16 million cap hit
2nd year- 16 million cap hit
3rd year- 14 million cap hit
4th year 14 million cap hit
5th year 12 million cap hit
6th year 12 million cap hit.

Dallas would also be able to get out of the deal any of those last 3 years with zero dead money.

it is six years vs 5 years for norwell. not saying i want him to break the bank but z.martin is way more accomplished imo than norwell.

66.5 over 5 years = 13.3 avg/yr

if it is 90 over 6 years = 15 avg/yr

franchise for OL is 14 mil and going up as more contracts get signed. it's probably a wash money wise and better on the cap if he signs long term.

Good call, my friend.