Irvin's suspended 4 games but Odell escapes

[Torturedcowboysfan]

That sounds about right.

 

[Rayman70]

different year SAME story. When we going to cut this moron? Goodell lets OBJ off the hook with actual video of coke and hookers..yet Irving gets suspended. lol...Yes irving is not smart apparently...but Goodell yet again has shown how trigger happy he is towards Dallas.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Irvin?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Cowboys are going to have a adopt a "two strikes and you're out" policy, with NO exceptions, if they are going to have any chance of not having this type of thing occur in the future.

4 games two years in a row, and for different failures - one for peds and one for substance abuse. Not to mention his showing up out of shape for the mini camp.

Of course they've let Gregory slide for multiple transgressions, to change now would be hard, but I don't see any other way to do it....

 

[JustChip]

Cowboys are going to have a adopt a "two strikes and you're out" policy, with NO exceptions, if they are going to have any chance of not having this type of thing occur in the future.

4 games two years in a row, and for different failures - one for peds and one for substance abuse. Not to mention his showing up out of shape for the mini camp.

Of course they've let Gregory slide for multiple transgressions, to change now would be hard, but I don't see any other way to do it....

I agree. I wonder how much of this is the "Randy Moss syndrome". Jerry regretted passing on Moss and, since then, maybe is afraid to let a talented player get away. But the pendulum has swung too far the other way - these guys aren't Moss. I'm ok giving Gregory this one final chance, but I think it's time to cut ties with Irving even if he does go somewhere else and become an All-Pro. You owe it to the other teammates (essentially, that was what Lee was saying last week).

 

[Rayman70]

OBJ can do ANYTHING he wants...while Irving(any dallas player) gets reprimanded at the drop of a hat. That's my take. The only thing missing was OBJ doing coke off someones ARSE. Ridiculous double standards is what is wrong with the NFL.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm ok giving Gregory this one final chance,

I'm not. Sorry, the worst thing that could happen is that he comes back, takes a starting job, then gets suspended again, and they pick up another de off the scrap heap who has little talent and the pass rush falls off again. And I think that's exactly what will happen. Hate to be so pessimistic, but that's the way I see it...

 

[JustChip]

I'm not. Sorry, the worst thing that could happen is that he comes back, takes a starting job, then gets suspended again, and they pick up another de off the scrap heap who has little talent and the pass rush falls off again. And I think that's exactly what will happen. Hate to be so pessimistic, but that's the way I see it...

Very good points. But the difference I see with Gregory vs. Irving is, with the later, you have multiple different issues along with questionable health. With Gregory, it was one specific addiction issue that, hopefully, he's been able to defeat. I certainly don't trust him at this moment to be anything more than a lesser rotational piece. We may find out after all this time off that his talent level has waned to the point that he doesn't make the team for that reason. We'll get a glimpse in pre-season.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

We'll get a glimpse in pre-season.

If the commish re-instates him, that remains to be seen, unless I missed the news of his re-instatement....

 

[Nightman]

That sounds about right.

Stop whining

Irving missed several tests

OBJ was seen holding a Black and Mild with a stripper/pro on a internet video..............JUST LIKE DAK

 

[JustChip]

If the commish re-instates him, that remains to be seen, unless I missed the news of his re-instatement....

Nope, you haven't missed any news. He's applied and I'm assuming he'll be reinstated. Why apply if he's got anything that will prevent reinstatement? It will be time to end the misery if he isn't reinstated, no reason to continue with all the drama.

 

[JustChip]

Stop whining

Irving missed several tests

OBJ was seen holding a Black and Mild with a stripper/pro on a internet video..............JUST LIKE DAK

While I agree with you on OBJ vs. Irving, I think OBJ vs. Zeke is a reasonable discussion. Granted, there's no domestic abuse smoke in OBJ's background, this issue with OBJ is not too far different than the other Zeke non-DV issues that without a doubt had an influence with the commissioner.

 

[Nightman]

While I agree with you on OBJ vs. Irving, I think OBJ vs. Zeke is a reasonable discussion. Granted, there's no domestic abuse smoke in OBJ's background, this issue with OBJ is not too far different than the other Zeke non-DV issues that without a doubt had an influence with the commissioner.

It was Dak on video in a strip club smoking a blunt

It was Dak on a party boat with bunch of strippers..... they weren't wearing jeans and Timbs like the Giants but it sure looked like major partying was going on

No one around made a peep about Dak and Goodell so to bring up OBJ is hypocritical

 

[dogunwo]

OBJ didn't do anything worthy of a suspension. He was just in a picture. Yeah, the picture had some questionable things in it, but it didn't actually show him committing a crime.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not. Sorry, the worst thing that could happen is that he comes back, takes a starting job, then gets suspended again, and they pick up another de off the scrap heap who has little talent and the pass rush falls off again. And I think that's exactly what will happen. Hate to be so pessimistic, but that's the way I see it...

That doesn't make any sense

If he isn't the better player than why do you want him to start over Gregory to begin with?

Just so you can sleep better.......accept the lesser player because he might not get suspended

 

[LACowboysFan1]

If he isn't the better player than why do you want him to start over Gregory to begin with?

Because it is my opinion that Gregory won't make it, any player is better than one that is suspended for the season, or worse, for life.

In other words, the risk of Gregory getting suspended again isn't worth keeping a guy with his history and having missed so much time.

Just don't trust him....

 

[Rayman70]

OBJ didn't do anything worthy of a suspension. He was just in a picture. Yeah, the picture had some questionable things in it, but it didn't actually show him committing a crime.

pretty sure its a crime to be in your hotel room with a prostitute and blow on your bed. For it to not even investigated is a sham. Questionable?lmao....what about illegal!!!

 

[Rayman70]

OBJ didn't do anything worthy of a suspension. He was just in a picture. Yeah, the picture had some questionable things in it, but it didn't actually show him committing a crime.

OMG...lord have mercy. Fingers in ears and blinders on much? "NOTHING TO SEE HERE."

 

[JustChip]

It was Dak on video in a strip club smoking a blunt

It was Dak on a party boat with bunch of strippers..... they weren't wearing jeans and Timbs like the Giants but it sure looked like major partying was going on

No one around made a peep about Dak and Goodell so to bring up OBJ is hypocritical

First off, I have not idea what you're talking about with Dak; I guess I was out of the country when what you're identifying occurred. Looks like Google time for me.

Second, I'm not arguing that OBJ should be suspended, I'm simply saying that he and Irving are not comparable. OBJ's is more comparable to Zeke's partying issues. Zeke might not have been suspended just for these if there wasn't the alleged DV, but anyone that thinks those didn't play a part in the Commissioner's decision is naïve. The League's investigator even said there was no basis because the woman wasn't credible, yet the Commissioner chose to do it anyway.

In the long run, it might have been the best thing for Zeke as a person, but the Commissioner shouldn't be making these kind of decisions based on what is best for the person. He should be making decisions first and foremost on violation of policy and secondly what impacts the image of the NFL. To that later point, I think the OBJ video is on the same plain as Zeke pulling down the top of a consenting adult while partying.

 

[JustChip]

OBJ didn't do anything worthy of a suspension. He was just in a picture. Yeah, the picture had some questionable things in it, but it didn't actually show him committing a crime.

Well, did Zeke actually commit a crime? No charges were filed and the NFL's investigator, a woman by the way, said the woman wasn't credible. An actual verifiable crime is not necessary for King Goodell, just conduct detrimental to the league. I don't think what OBJ did was suspension worthy, but it certainly falls under conduct detrimental to the league based on the nebulous definition of such.