One oddsmaker has Jason Garrett as ninth-most likely to be first head coach fired

[northerncowboynation]

Seasons change, mountains crumbled, nations fall, and Jason Garrett is still the coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm convinced that when nuclear war strikes, all that will remain are cockroaches and Jason Garrett, standing on the sidelines on what remains of JerryWorld

Opening odds to be the first NFL head coach fired (@betway):

Hue Jackson +350
Adam Gase +750
Marvin Lewis +1000
Vance Joseph +1000
Dirk Koetter +1200
Jay Gruden +1200
Todd Bowles +1600
Bill O'Brien +2000
Jason Garrett +2500
John Harbaugh +2800
Jon Gruden +2800
Pete Carroll +2800

These aren’t exactly good odds that Garrett will be the first head coach fired, but they are the ninth-most. Dallas isn’t necessarily predicted to be a powerhouse this season either, but it’s worth noting that they are in the top half of the NFL when it comes to projected odds to win the Super Bowl as well.

Odds to win Super Bowl 53:

Patriots+650
Eagles+850
Steelers+1000
Rams/Vikings +1100
Packers+1400
Saints/Texans +1800
49ers/Falcons +2000
Chargers/Jaguars +2200
Raiders+2800
Chiefs+3000
Giants/Cowboys +3300
Panthers+3500
Broncos+4000
Titans+4500
Ravens/Lions +5500

It feels like Garrett is going to need to win, at the very least, a playoff game (or two) and/or reach the NFC Championship Game for perception around him to be that he shouldn’t be fired. The road is going to be difficult considering he shares a division with the reigning world champion Philadelphia Eagles, although the Cowboys do have the second-best odds at winning the NFC East.

Jason Garrett has been given a lot of time to make his mark with the Dallas Cowboys. A season without Jason Witten and Dez Bryant will focus on his face as one of the more seasoned on the sidelines. Can he pull it off, or do these odds have a point?

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...y-to-be-first-head-coach-fired-dallas-cowboys

Question is what are the odds that the odss maker is right? Another question is how many frickin oddsmakers are there and do they all agree on the odds? Odds are that they don't

 

[northerncowboynation]

They'll get all excited about "hot" young coordinators and big name college coaches, only to see Jerry hire someone like Marty Mornhinweg.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I just don't understand it. He just posted his first back to back winning seasons.

 

[northerncowboynation]

where's the post police out. "how many Garrett fire threads do we need whiners."... lmao...

3 2 1.........

winner winner chicken whiner

 

[CowboyRoy]

Opening odds to be the first NFL head coach fired (@betway):

Hue Jackson +350
Adam Gase +750
Marvin Lewis +1000
Vance Joseph +1000
Dirk Koetter +1200
Jay Gruden +1200
Todd Bowles +1600
Bill O'Brien +2000
Jason Garrett +2500
John Harbaugh +2800
Jon Gruden +2800
Pete Carroll +2800

These aren’t exactly good odds that Garrett will be the first head coach fired, but they are the ninth-most. Dallas isn’t necessarily predicted to be a powerhouse this season either, but it’s worth noting that they are in the top half of the NFL when it comes to projected odds to win the Super Bowl as well.

Odds to win Super Bowl 53:

Patriots+650
Eagles+850
Steelers+1000
Rams/Vikings +1100
Packers+1400
Saints/Texans +1800
49ers/Falcons +2000
Chargers/Jaguars +2200
Raiders+2800
Chiefs+3000
Giants/Cowboys +3300
Panthers+3500
Broncos+4000
Titans+4500
Ravens/Lions +5500

It feels like Garrett is going to need to win, at the very least, a playoff game (or two) and/or reach the NFC Championship Game for perception around him to be that he shouldn’t be fired. The road is going to be difficult considering he shares a division with the reigning world champion Philadelphia Eagles, although the Cowboys do have the second-best odds at winning the NFC East.

Jason Garrett has been given a lot of time to make his mark with the Dallas Cowboys. A season without Jason Witten and Dez Bryant will focus on his face as one of the more seasoned on the sidelines. Can he pull it off, or do these odds have a point?

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...y-to-be-first-head-coach-fired-dallas-cowboys

Yep, and thats because he is such a great head coach and hes doing such a wonderful job here. LOL

 

[phildadon86]

Alright, I’ll bite...let’s look at Garrets career with the Cowboys.

2010 (5-3)- took over for Phillips half way through the season, Romo got hurt about a month later and Kitna became the starting QB

2011 (8-8)- final game of the season against the Gnats for a playoff spot we lose 31-14; Giants go on to win Super Bowl

2012 (8-8)- final game of the season against the Skins for a playoff spot we lose 28-18; Romo completed a whopping 20 for 37 and added 3 INT’s, one of which came on the final drive that would have given us the lead with little time left but led to another Skins TD to seal the victory

2013 (8-8)- final game of season against Eagles for a playoff spot we lose 24-22; Romo had back surgery the week before which made Orton the starting QB for this game

2014 (12-4)- made it to 2nd round of playoffs against GB and lose 26-21 to one of the GOAT QB’s and on a non catch that many people blame for our loss

2015 (4-12)- Weeden and Cassle take over after Romo goes out after a week 2 win; we lose every game until Romo comes back and we still have a chance at winning the division. Romo wins first game back and throws 3 INT’s the following week 2 of which were pick 6’s thus sealing our non playoff fate. IIRC Eomo reinjured himself in that game

2016 (13-3)- made it to the playoffs and lost to GB and one of the GOAT QB’s by a last second 50+ yard FG; Romo was hurt in the pre season and this was accomplished with a rookie QB and rookie RB, it also was Romo’s last year in the NFL

2017 (9-7)- not much to note besides the FO letting our entire secondary walk and Zeke’s 6 game suspension which many people blame Dak’s setback and us missing the playoffs on

Sooooooo...I’m an unapologetic JG supporter until the end of this season barring any major “incidents” and assuming we make the playoffs. You can argue all you want about his lack of playoff success but if you read above you’ll see that there were some very unfortunate circumstances that led to that and he put us in positions to get there.

Kyle Orton in week 17 to get in the playoffs and we still only lost by 2?
Romo throwing 3 picks in a game to get in the playoffs and not even completing 50% of his passes?
Losing to a SB winner to get in the playoffs his first full year as HC?
“The catch”?
Weeden and Cassle?

Gimme a break, there’s probably only one or two coaches in the league that could work around that and produce playoff success under those circumstances and even that’s questionable. JG isn’t great but I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as most of you make him seem and until recently this team was rather thin oor had major holes on one side of the ball or the other.

I can’t wait to see how many alerts have tomorrow morning. Peace out!

P.S for all those who say “he wasted Romo’s career”. Looks like fragile Tony being hurt in three of those seasons had A LOT to do with us missing the playoffs and another he was directly responsible for with a piss poor performance, making that a grand total of 4 years not including the year Dak took over.

Would you like to make a list of times we lost because of Garretts mistakes and lack of football coaching knowledge?

 

[HowardC]

I just don't understand it. He just posted his first back to back winning seasons.

Boooo

 

[Jipper]

Would you like to make a list of times we lost because of Garretts mistakes and lack of football coaching knowledge?

I think all of the points he made were quantifiable, saying we lost bc of Garrets mistakes is you taking components of a loss and putting the blame soley on the hc, when in reality the blame can go in many places.

There are only a handful of times where you can say Garrett called a timeout at the wrong time or something similar that you can say is 100% his fault...

Anything else you are just generalizing and saying the blame falls under the HC....

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think some of our fans would gladly take 2-14 this season if it got Garrett fired, even without knowing who Jerry would hire next.

Probably about 75% I would say.

 

[Jipper]

Probably about 75% I would say.

I don't think so...there are a few on here that are very vocal about hating Garrett but there is no guarantee who replaces him will be any better.

I would say more want to see Garrett succeed and the team succeed.

Tanking or hoping we lose for change is the antithesis of being a fan hoping for the best for the team

 

[phildadon86]

I think all of the points he made were quantifiable, saying we lost bc of Garrets mistakes is you taking components of a loss and putting the blame soley on the hc, when in reality the blame can go in many places.

There are only a handful of times where you can say Garrett called a timeout at the wrong time or something similar that you can say is 100% his fault...

Anything else you are just generalizing and saying the blame falls under the HC....

Really?

Freezing our own kicker, leaving Aaron Rodgers enough time on the clock on more than one occasion. Not being aggressive enough in a lot of situations. Not keeping the players grounded and changing the game plan when we were 13-3 to come out pass happy when we beat the packers into submission by running it down their throats. Who does that fall on? How about not being able to win a game without Romo in 2015? Guess thats the water boys fault

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't think so...there are a few on here that are very vocal about hating Garrett but there is no guarantee who replaces him will be any better.

I would say more want to see Garrett succeed and the team succeed.

Tanking or hoping we lose for change is the antithesis of being a fan hoping for the best for the team

It all depends what kind of fan you are. Willing to bear through an embarrassing season to get better in the long run requires the ultimate devotion. And some foresight.

Personally, 9-7 and missing the playoffs is the worst kind of season you can have. Unless you are a young up and coming team that appears destined to be great. I would rather go 4-12 and get the high pick. But thats just me. The future is always more important to me than the present. 80% of the time. 20% being like where the Eagles are right now. But I would never mortgage the future for the present. Which Jerry has done on a regular basis.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think all of the points he made were quantifiable, saying we lost bc of Garrets mistakes is you taking components of a loss and putting the blame soley on the hc, when in reality the blame can go in many places.

There are only a handful of times where you can say Garrett called a timeout at the wrong time or something similar that you can say is 100% his fault...

Anything else you are just generalizing and saying the blame falls under the HC....

I am definitely not the blame one guy type. Unless you say Jerry is the big problem. But in my particular conversation we are specifically discussing Garrett's blunders last year.

 

[Jipper]

Really?

Freezing our own kicker, leaving Aaron Rodgers enough time on the clock on more than one occasion. Not being aggressive enough in a lot of situations. Not keeping the players grounded and changing the game plan when we were 13-3 to come out pass happy when we beat the packers into submission by running it down their throats. Who does that fall on? How about not being able to win a game without Romo in 2015? Guess thats the water boys fault

Again, outside of the icing the kicker comment everything you are saying is subjective and could fall on a various coaches and even players if plays are being changed at the LOS.

I'm not going to convince you otherwise bc you are clearly against Garrett 110%...my point is that you are arguing subjective components and saying that the HC is responsible soley for all of them...thats all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Really?

Freezing our own kicker, leaving Aaron Rodgers enough time on the clock on more than one occasion. Not being aggressive enough in a lot of situations. Not keeping the players grounded and changing the game plan when we were 13-3 to come out pass happy when we beat the packers into submission by running it down their throats. Who does that fall on? How about not being able to win a game without Romo in 2015? Guess thats the water boys fault

For a team that is clearly built around the run game, you have to wonder why the backups to Zeke are a rookie 7th round pick and a UFA with minimal talent. Seems very short sighted to me. If Zeke goes down for any length of time the season is toast. If you are gearing your team around the run game then you better have a stable of young stud backs constantly in motion. Like the Saints have or maybe Atlanta has. A couple of studs in there in case the big guy goes down. OR to share the load so that when you get into the playoffs your lead horse isnt spent or too beat up.

 

[Jipper]

It all depends what kind of fan you are. Willing to bear through an embarrassing season to get better in the long run requires the ultimate devotion. And some foresight.

Personally, 9-7 and missing the playoffs is the worst kind of season you can have. Unless you are a young up and coming team that appears destined to be great. I would rather go 4-12 and get the high pick. But thats just me. The future is always more important to me than the present. 80% of the time. 20% being like where the Eagles are right now. But I would never mortgage the future for the present. Which Jerry has done on a regular basis.

I don't agree....i loved the joys of last season's wins and the fact that we were in the playoff hunt late in the year...made the games fun through week 16.

In contrast when we went 4-12 in 2015 and were done after thanksgiving, that sucked and i feel like we missed a good chunk of the season enjoyment.

It's entertainment for me, and the longer I get each year to enjoy the cowboys playing meaningful games the better

 

[CowboyRoy]

Again, outside of the icing the kicker comment everything you are saying is subjective and could fall on a various coaches and even players if plays are being changed at the LOS.

I'm not going to convince you otherwise bc you are clearly against Garrett 110%...my point is that you are arguing subjective components and saying that the HC is responsible soley for all of them...thats all.

And thereinlies the problem with Garrett. He should be in full control of all of that. Icing the kicker and all the important decisions. The fact that this guy simply sits around while others determine the fate of the game is mind boggling. It would be more proof that Garrett is useless and not in control of the situation.

Do you think any of the great coaches is going to let someone else call timeouts, ice kickers, ect...ect.....?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't agree....i loved the joys of last season's wins and the fact that we were in the playoff hunt late in the year...made the games fun through week 16.

In contrast when we went 4-12 in 2015 and were done after thanksgiving, that sucked and i feel like we missed a good chunk of the season enjoyment.

It's entertainment for me, and the longer I get each year to enjoy the cowboys playing meaningful games the better

Yah, you are the exact type of fan I was talking about earlier. A ho hum, roll with the punches, have a drink and wave a few pom poms when things are going well type fan. No disrespect. Some guys just like to chill.

As much as Philly fans are made out to be jerks, that fan base would NEVER put up with the likes of Garrett for more than a year or two. HE would be run out of town by the media and the fan base. Jerry's hand would be forced. Heck even Jerry might be run out of town.

 

[GMO415]

He just better get his shhhh together and get us our 6th

 

[Jipper]

And thereinlies the problem with Garrett. He should be in full control of all of that. Icing the kicker and all the important decisions. The fact that this guy simply sits around while others determine the fate of the game is mind boggling. It would be more proof that Garrett is useless and not in control of the situation.

Do you think any of the great coaches is going to let someone else call timeouts, ice kickers, ect...ect.....?

I already agreed with you that the icing the kicker part was on him, im not debating that but i am saying that is really the only tangible piece you are tying directly to garrett.

Everything else you are saying is nebulous and,depending on how much authority is delegated to the coaching staff, can vary depending on the team's setup. Just because the offense isnt more agressive doesnt mean that is bc of Garrett, maybe he told Linehan to make the call and trusts his coaching staff?

There are plenty of HC's out there that have completely different styles of control and they lead to varying results, both good and bad.

Back to the original point you stated that I disagree with, you don't have many tangible instances where you can say "Jason Garret cause this team to lose bc of XYZ"....and you can keep saying that the HC is responsible for the whole team all day long, which is fine but it is just a generalization.

You hate garrett, like a few other very vocal posters on here, and i get it. I don't hate garrett and i see a lot of great things going forward for this team. Its ok we disagree.