4th Down No Problem: Go for it!

[Ranching]

You can most certainly go on 4th and short when you have the best runblocking oline in the league.

Tell that to Jason

 

[StarBoyz83]

We’re just going to cut our best WR, keep the same coaches, and Garrett is going to snap his fingers and suddenly become a strategic playcaller that’s aggressive on 4th down.

It's almost as believable as all the sudden dallas will be back to a 13 win team this season as if schedules dont change.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

I love being aggressive. Jimmy Johnson style!

 

[GenoT]

who gives a F what Philly thinks/does. I dont want to know much less copy anything they do

Having experienced backup depth at QB isn’t a bad model to copy — especially when it results in a SB win.

Of course, if 22 seasons with no advancement past the 2nd-round of the postseason really floats your boat...

 

[T-RO]

When we have been successful running the ball we have also been aggressive on 4rth down and short. This is nothing new...

Dallas has not really been that aggressive.

Philly went for it on 4th down 26 times, succeeding 17 of those. Dallas was 8th in the league in attempts...making 10 of 18.

But it’s the *circumstances* that are more telling.

Consider some of Philly’s attempts:
4th and 8 on opponent’s 43
4th and 5 from their own 49!
4th and 8 from opponents 32
4th and 5 from opponents 17
4th and 6 from opponents 40
...etc

 

[T-RO]

who gives a F what Philly thinks/does. I dont want to know much less copy anything they do

I have no interest in copying the Eagles. I have great interest in Dallas doing what the numbers suggest we do.

I provide the Eagle’s merely as an example...a case study.

 

[JBS]

We’re just going to cut our best WR, keep the same coaches, and Garrett is going to snap his fingers and suddenly become a strategic playcaller that’s aggressive on 4th down.

Nope. Stephen has been to seminars, webinars, and even has been the speaker in some Saber metrics events...

We got this.

 

[waving monkey]

The Eagles are a high IQ, progressive, and innovative organization. The Cowboys are a low IQ and archaic organization.

absurd and pitiful

 

[waving monkey]

I have no interest in copying the Eagles. I have great interest in Dallas doing what the numbers suggest we do.

I provide the Eagle’s merely as an example...a case study.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Dallas has not really been that aggressive.

Philly went for it on 4th down 26 times, succeeding 17 of those. Dallas was 8th in the league in attempts...making 10 of 18.

But it’s the *circumstances* that are more telling.

Consider some of Philly’s attempts:
4th and 8 on opponent’s 43
4th and 5 from their own 49!
4th and 8 from opponents 32
4th and 5 from opponents 17
4th and 6 from opponents 40
...etc

I am all for the Cowboys going for it more often on 4th and < 2 yards. I can't get behind them doing it on 4th and 3+ yards. I just don't have confidence in this offense to move the ball through the air when the defense knows it coming. I don't think they are built for that.

 

[fredp22]

Having experienced backup depth at QB isn’t a bad model to copy — especially when it results in a SB win.

Of course, if 22 seasons with no advancement past the 2nd-round of the postseason really floats your boat...

the drought is because of our poor coaching/ownership not because we didnt have an experienced backup qb

 

[CPanther95]

I'd want a well balanced offense if I were going into a season planning on going for it on fourth down a bunch of times - not a one dimensional offense that will be easy to predict.

 

[T-RO]

I am all for the Cowboys going for it more often on 4th and < 2 yards. I can't get behind them doing it on 4th and 3+ yards. I just don't have confidence in this offense to move the ball through the air when the defense knows it coming. I don't think they are built for that.

You are reflecting the traditional conservatism of many coaches and fans.

Suppose it’s 4th and 3 on the (opponents) 35 yard line

If the odds are 50-50 to get a 1st down...leading to a TD
...that’s better point value than a 90% field goal attempt.

 

[lukin2006]

I like our odd of converting 4th and short into 1st downs with Zeke in the backfield ....

 

[Idgit]

We were tied for fifth in the league last year when it came to fourth down conversions per game.

 

[gmoney112]

We were tied for fifth in the league last year when it came to fourth down conversions per game.

 

[Cowpolk]

The Eagles are a high IQ, progressive, and innovative organization. The Cowboys are a low IQ and archaic organization.

Yea only idiots graduate from Princeton

 

[dsturgeon]

They can only do that if the defense is playing well, and they can score at will

 

[sbark]

They can only do that if the defense is playing well, and they can score at will

Yup, philly also was considering the other side of the coin with their top tier def able to limit damage to a fg if they didn't convert down and distance

 

[T-RO]

We were tied for fifth in the league last year when it came to fourth down conversions per game.

By sheer count. But what did most of that consist of?
4th and one
End of half/end of game

Go back to my earlier post that detailed the types of scenarios where Philly went for it. Whole different enchilada.

We weren’t even on the same page in terms of taking risks.