Tale of the tape: Jaylon Smith "Long Arm"

[mattjames2010]

yep, those 24 tackles that Jack had in 2016 would have made a huge impact on our defense.

...you get Jaylon wasn't a rookie, right? He had a year in the league being taught by some of the best coaches in the world. No one is saying he should have had a pro-bowl season out of the gate, but at least show that you belong.

Ol' "clear eyes" looked to have something in them on most of the plays he was in.

 

[Trouty]

Garrett announced Jaylon at SAM a few days before free agency started.

Coincidence that they were trying to re-sign Hitchens who would only re-sign to be a starter?

It's unlike the Cowboys to announce that type of change in March.

Obviously they drafted Vander Esch but I feel certain both Jaylon and Vander Esch will compete for the starting MLB role. The SLB only plays about 15% of the snaps.

Jaylon will likely get practice snaps and Preseason snaps at both and possibly at WLB also.

I think due to being a rookie that Vander Esch will only practice at MLB.

Between base and Nickel and down/distance situstions they'll likely use 2 or 3 players next to Lee in Nickel. The free agent Thomas may even get a few snaps because he is somewhat of a coverage specialist.

The long term plan is likely for Jaylon to replace Lee at WLB when he retires.

Of course Jaylon will get snaps at every LB position.

Esch was drafted for the mike. Smith has all but been relegated to the SAM until he proves that he can handle harder assignments.

And I'm rooting for that. And that's all I've been saying. Temper expectations, hope for the best, he has the ceiling for it, but right now it's looking pretty clearcut where he is being fit in on the roster.

And as previously posted, yes, I agree, Jaylon's traits, if he hits his potential, grade out better at WIL.

 

[Trouty]

Garrett announced Jaylon at SAM a few days before free agency started.

Coincidence that they were trying to re-sign Hitchens who would only re-sign to be a starter?

It's unlike the Cowboys to announce that type of change in March.

Obviously they drafted Vander Esch but I feel certain both Jaylon and Vander Esch will compete for the starting MLB role. The SLB only plays about 15% of the snaps.

Jaylon will likely get practice snaps and Preseason snaps at both and possibly at WLB also.

I think due to being a rookie that Vander Esch will only practice at MLB.

Between base and Nickel and down/distance situstions they'll likely use 2 or 3 players next to Lee in Nickel. The free agent Thomas may even get a few snaps because he is somewhat of a coverage specialist.

The long term plan is likely for Jaylon to replace Lee at WLB when he retires.

Thomas will have more snaps and reps at mike than Jaylon this year unless Jaylon progresses talent for the center field (but I think you were alluding to that, maybe I'm wrong?)

 

[INCowboysFan]

Hey dope, he started 0 games in his rookie season, Jaylon was a starter in 6. Go watch the Indy game to see how he was diagnosing plays.

Give context next time.

I like the name calling. I've watched that game. If I remember correctly, one was a tipped ball and the other was a poor pass over the middle. I give Lee full credit for making the plays, but you act like he showed up in Dallas diagnosing plays like a 10 year vet. Just didn't happen that way. if it did, he would have started as a rookie.

 

[mattjames2010]

I like the name calling. I've watched that game. If I remember correctly, one was a tipped ball and the other was a poor pass over the middle. I give Lee full credit for making the plays, but you act like he showed up in Dallas diagnosing plays like a 10 year vet. Just didn't happen that way. if it did, he would have started as a rookie.

All INTs you can label a "poor pass" if you'd like. The simple fact is, Lee read Manning's eyes the entire way. You deserve the name calling because you simply left out context - he wasn't a starter, yet he created 3 turnovers and had that many tackles. One of the bigger criticisms people had in 2010 was that we weren't giving him enough playing time despite looking ready, yet we forced the corpse of Keith Brookings out onto the field next to Bradie James.

And you're adding to what I said - Lee looked like he belonged in the league from the start. He never looked ANYWHERE near what Smith did last season.

And if you were giving Lee credit, you wouldn't have tried the piss poor attempt to look at his tackle total and ignored his starts. But hey, anything to defend ol clear eyes - "He was essentially a rookie, even though he wasn't a rookie, but he was a rookie kinda!"

 

[INCowboysFan]

All INTs you can label a "poor pass" if you'd like. The simple fact is, Lee read Manning's eyes the entire way. You deserve the name calling because you simply left out context - he wasn't a starter, yet he created 3 turnovers and had that many tackles. One of the bigger criticisms people had in 2010 was that we weren't giving him enough playing time despite looking ready, yet we forced the corpse of Keith Brookings out onto the field next to Bradie James.

And you're adding to what I said - Lee looked like he belonged in the league from the start. He never looked ANYWHERE near what Smith did last season.

And if you were giving Lee credit, you wouldn't have tried the piss poor attempt to look at his tackle total and ignored his starts. But hey, anything to defend ol clear eyes - "He was essentially a rookie, even though he wasn't a rookie, but he was a rookie kinda!"

hey, asshat. I never said Lee looked as bad as Jaylon did last year. Not once. You are the one claiming that Lee came into the league as a brilliant diagnostician and point to one really good game he played as a rookie. You said it your self he couldn't beat out the corpse of Keith Brooking. Now why would this rookie, a master of diagnosing plays, be kept out of the line up in favor of a broken down vet? Maybe because he wasn't quite ready yet and needed limited snaps to acclimate himself after his knee injuries. Same with Jaylon, who had a much more serious knee injury. He was forced into the line up too early and it showed. With his limited snap count later in the season he was better. It's that simple. all reports have the arrow pointing up on Jaylon and I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Good day.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's interesting watching people who are emotionally determined to see Jaylon fail.

 

[speedkilz88]

It's interesting watching people who are emotionally determined to see Jaylon fail.

It's always somebody, not just Jaylon.

 

[INCowboysFan]

It's interesting watching people who are emotionally determined to see Jaylon fail.

They want to be able to say they were right when they railed against using the 2nd round pick on him. It is more important for them to be right than it is for the Cowboys to succeed on the field.

 

[mattjames2010]

hey, asshat. I never said Lee looked as bad as Jaylon did last year. Not once. You are the one claiming that Lee came into the league as a brilliant diagnostician and point to one really good game he played as a rookie. You said it your self he couldn't beat out the corpse of Keith Brooking. Now why would this rookie, a master of diagnosing plays, be kept out of the line up in favor of a broken down vet? Maybe because he wasn't quite ready yet and needed limited snaps to acclimate himself after his knee injuries. Same with Jaylon, who had a much more serious knee injury. He was forced into the line up too early and it showed. With his limited snap count later in the season he was better. It's that simple. all reports have the arrow pointing up on Jaylon and I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Good day.

No no, there you go leaving out context again. I said the biggest criticism that year is that we were leaving in a player that couldn't play anymore DESPITE LEE LOOKING BETTER. It is a criticism of the coaching staff - you getting it?

Because you left that part out, the rest of your post doesn't need to be addressed. NEXT!

 

[INCowboysFan]

No no, there you go leaving out context again. I said the biggest criticism that year is that we were leaving in a player that couldn't play anymore DESPITE LEE LOOKING BETTER. It is a criticism of the coaching staff - you getting it?

Because you left that part out, the rest of your post doesn't need to be addressed. NEXT!

And you were there in all the practices to see that Lee was looking better? you crack me up. You are conveniently not addressing my contention that maybe Lee looked better with a limited snap count, you know, like Jaylon this past year. Anyway, enjoy your argument. You can have the last word if you want.

 

[mattjames2010]

And you were there in all the practices to see that Lee was looking better? you crack me up. You are conveniently not addressing my contention that maybe Lee looked better with a limited snap count, you know, like Jaylon this past year. Anyway, enjoy your argument. You can have the last word if you want.

Seeing as how the coach that wasn't allowing him much playing time ended up getting canned mid-season, yeah I'm going to say that was a big screw up there. For as good as Phillips is as a DC, his one big criticism is that he keeps young guns on the bench too long - heck, he even had trouble with this in Houston.

And my argument is, even in Smith's limited role later in the season, he's nowhere near what anyone made him out to be. He should be able to diagnose plays, he simply isn't. He's relying on athleticism he may never have again.

He was terrible for chunks of the season and average at best when you people were praising him. Lee, however, was playing like he should have been drafted in the first round and was a second round steal. It doesn't look to be that way with Smith. Just not a smart player, luckily Lee is still around and we may have drafted another LB with some intelligence.

 

[Melonfeud]

Leighton Vander Esch, Jaylon Smith and Sean Lee better stay healthy. Our DTs don't really excite and the LBs are going to be doing a lot of clean-up.

True story,,, and it illustrates the true thin veneer of capable depth we've available to field in the L.B. corps,,,I'm of certainty should #38's casing-liner be dialed up as a 'plugin play' stopgap measure, he'll prove admirably,,, in that endeavor as well

 

[Melonfeud]

You can speculate all you want to homey, I'm laying some knowledge on you so pick it up and recognize, Ward is a warrior that you are going to love having at DT. Remember I said it first. Peace!

Copy!,,,

 

[Trouty]

It's interesting watching people who are emotionally determined to see Jaylon fail.

Anyone who wants or seeks to see a Cowboys' ball player fail is disgusting.

Especially for those who "want to be right." And our board has a plethora of those scum bags.

Just nasty, pathetic, "fanaticism."

With that said, and I know this is preaching to the choir, my brother, it's always healthy to have respectable debate.

 

[Melonfeud]

The waters will part and all will be wonderful!!!!

Don't you mean 'split' Roy? As the waters will truly freeze solid once our fireball big bro stops shedding his life sustaining rays with his ungreatful peeps

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No no, there you go leaving out context again. I said the biggest criticism that year is that we were leaving in a player that couldn't play anymore DESPITE LEE LOOKING BETTER. It is a criticism of the coaching staff - you getting it?

Because you left that part out, the rest of your post doesn't need to be addressed. NEXT!

I'm really not sure what point you think you are making. Lee is regarded as tops in terms of football IQ. What other than Jaylon not being as smart as the very best are you proving?

Jaylon play 55% of all snaps last year and improved over the season. He played the whole season. At this point last year, the anti-Jaylon crew was saying he could not last a season. Instead what he did is something he can build on.

And let's not forget Jaylon said it took him about 8 games to catch up to the speed of the game.

So, not I should not believe in him because he wasn't as good as Sean Lee in their respective rookie year?

Myself I look forward to seeing how he is without the brace.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm really not sure what point you think you are making. Lee is regarded as tops in terms of football IQ. What other than Jaylon not being as smart as the very best are you proving?

Jaylon play 55% of all snaps last year and improved over the season. He played the whole season. At this point last year, the anti-Jaylon crew was saying he could not last a season. Instead what he did is something he can build on.

And let's not forget Jaylon said it took him about 8 games to catch up to the speed of the game.

So, not I should not believe in him because he wasn't as good as Sean Lee in their respective rookie year?

Myself I look forward to seeing how he is without the brace.

I don't care what the "anti-Jaylon" crew was saying. Game film doesn't lie, the guy was awful for most of the season and average at best when you folks were praising him.

> Lee is regarded as tops in terms of football IQ

....and Jaylon was considered a top 10 pick, which is why we took a risk on him in second despite the knee injury. So, I expect him to be both great athletically and have a high football IQ. 1. He hasn't shown he'll ever be what he was in college ever again in terms of athletics 2. Some of the bad plays he had last year, they were laughably bad

Great plays don't have a low light Smith had last season. He just never looked good. You're holding out hope that he does when everything he has shown thus far sure as hell doesn't look like a top 10 pick and questionable if he will ever be worth the second.

My problem with Jaylon didn't even start last season, I actually had a lot questions about his IQ before his injury ever occurred. I actually don't think he looked great in 2015 and was caught out of position in games too many times.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Don't you mean 'split' Roy? As the waters will truly freeze solid once our fireball big bro stops shedding his life sustaining rays with his ungreatful peeps

Lost me on that one.

 

[Melonfeud]

No no, there you go leaving out context again. I said the biggest criticism that year is that we were leaving in a player that couldn't play anymore DESPITE LEE LOOKING BETTER. It is a criticism of the coaching staff - you getting it?

Because you left that part out, the rest of your post doesn't need to be addressed. NEXT!

hey, Matty? yer' " Next" bellowed command harkens me back to that time as a teenager when this fat girl was pulling a 'train' on all us " after midnight " boys on a picnic table in the city park one night,,,when I'd heard the "next" demand,,I mashed an empty strohs beer can down on her ***** forehead,,,thanks fer the resurrection of forgotten fond memories, buddy?