Will McClay, Dakuracy among 5 winners from Cowboys exhibition opener

[Verdict]

Come on Roy !!

We both know that Morris put up more than enough yards for us to be competitive..

Go back and watch the Denver game and tell me I'm wrong..

Go back and watch the Seattle game and tell me I'm wrong..

Troy Aikman was having a seizure that day because he couldn't believe Dak wouldn't back Seattle off the line of scrimmage.

Believe me , Carolina is going to crowd the box and play the short passing game.. it will be up to Dak to make them back down.

You are wrong. Morris sucked last year. If he didn't suck he would still be here.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is such a fallacy. There are many ways to get it done on offense. While there is little doubt that being able to consistently make teams pay when the long ball is thrown is helpful in backing a defense out of the box it does no good to throw the long ball of no one is open.

Dez was almost never open and when he was open he couldn't catch the ball. He also couldn't run any routes other than the simplest routes and could not be counted to to be where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be there.

You don't HAVE to throw the ball deep to win the game. It doesn't hurt, but it's not a must. It is important to make a defense respect speed at the wide receiver position. If they don't it's an easy pitch and catch.

Some posters on this forum are absolute drama queens. There are many formulas for success. That's why the Patriots have a different game plan almost every week.

Aikman had the same issues. A run first offense with little speed in the passing game. It was a controlled offense. Whenever they had to play catch up, it was difficult for them.

 

[starcity214]

Nah, there was no longer a big threat with the run game. It was effective, but it scared no one. And the Oline was even worse at blocking for the pass.

How much evidence do you need? The wheels completely fell off starting in week 9. The first week Smith and Zeke went out. Its the most glaring cause and effect scenario you could ever see in football.

Both of those guys played in Denver.
Thing is , Denver executed the game plan as I showed. Also, Seattle and multiple other games in Wich Dak has looked horrible it was because teams executed the exact game plan I showed you. Even Alabama did the same thing and Dak looked lost.

 

[starcity214]

Aikman had the same issues. A run first offense with little speed in the passing game. It was a controlled offense. Whenever they had to play catch up, it was difficult for them.

Forget the glory days Roy..

Do we have a Haley on this team? A prime Deon Sanders?

Troy had one of , if not the best supporting casts during those days..

After the salary cap , how did Troy do?

If Dak needs that kind of team , he better be willing to play for peanuts ..

 

[Bigdog]

I would give up several high draft picks for a Superbowl ...

Only one problem, Foles deliver them the Super Bowl not Wentz

 

[charleshaleyfan94]

They have Byron Jones, Chido, Lewis and Brown. IMO, they aren't in any position to trade any of those guys. And if they are talking about a safety? The same can be said about that unit.

tell that to the front office

 

[CowboyRoy]

Both of those guys played in Denver.
Thing is , Denver executed the game plan as I showed. Also, Seattle and multiple other games in Wich Dak has looked horrible it was because teams executed the exact game plan I showed you. Even Alabama did the same thing and Dak looked lost.

There will always be games all QB's take it on the chin. For 24 games, Dak was MVP type play. Then the Oline and Zeke went out. Not difficult analysis.

Zeke had 20 yards in Denver. Does he suck too?

 

[G2]

There will always be games all QB's take it on the chin. For 24 games, Dak was MVP type play. Then the Oline and Zeke went out. Not difficult analysis.

Zeke had 20 yards in Denver. Does he suck too?

Plus we looked to not even have a LG in there. New RT and missing Lee all played a role.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Forget the glory days Roy..

Do we have a Haley on this team? A prime Deon Sanders?

Troy had one of , if not the best supporting casts during those days..

After the salary cap , how did Troy do?

If Dak needs that kind of team , he better be willing to play for peanuts ..

Did Aikman need that kind of team? How about great coaching? Can we at least give Dak that? WRs? How about a great defense?

comparing what Aikman had to Dak is a little ridiculous. Aikman had it all. Dak has a run game and the Oline. And last year the 2nd half of the year he had neither.

 

[waving monkey]

Will McClay

Just go ahead and name this man GM and get it over with already!!!

Jones makes McClay feel comfortable and well paid. I hope that doesn't change.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Plus we looked to not even have a LG in there. New RT and missing Lee all played a role.

There were actually signs that there were some problems before Zeke and Smith went out. Collins in for Free and certainly Cooper in for Leary had not been working out so well. And the rest of the NFL had certainly caught up a bit on what Garrett was doing with his predictability and routes of lame receivers. Dak pushed through most of that. But when Smith and Zeke went out it was waaaay too much.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Will McClay

Just go ahead and name this man GM and get it over with already!!!

A million likes, my friend.

 

[dfense]

We still have a couple days to celebrate that one throw before the next game.

 

[HungryLion]

Both of those guys played in Denver.
Thing is , Denver executed the game plan as I showed. Also, Seattle and multiple other games in Wich Dak has looked horrible it was because teams executed the exact game plan I showed you. Even Alabama did the same thing and Dak looked lost.

I mean you’re right. But the whole team sucked in Denver man. Even Zeke got his butt handed to him and Zeke is a legit NFL MVP caliber player.

Dak does need to keep improving, no doubt about that. But you can’t dismiss the high % of really good games he has had, because he has had some
Bad ones. That happens to every young QB. Every one of them. We aren’t talking about a 5+ year Vet QB.

 

[starcity214]

Did Aikman need that kind of team? How about great coaching? Can we at least give Dak that? WRs? How about a great defense?

comparing what Aikman had to Dak is a little ridiculous. Aikman had it all. Dak has a run game and the Oline. And last year the 2nd half of the year he had neither.

You were the one that brought up Aikman and his stats to show how a QB like that can win a Superbowl , and that's why I mentioned that in those days , you could build a great team to compensate for a mediocre QB because there was no salary cap back then..

As I said , the only way we can build a team like that around Dak is if he's playing for peanuts but I highly doubt he will because he already fired his agent and signed up to a big money agent..

That's why the Troy Aikman comparisons can't be made. Troy played in an era where you could just buy the best players but those days are done.

 

[dfense]

Did Aikman need that kind of team? How about great coaching? Can we at least give Dak that? WRs? How about a great defense?

comparing what Aikman had to Dak is a little ridiculous. Aikman had it all. Dak has a run game and the Oline. And last year the 2nd half of the year he had neither.

Actually, theat's not entirely true. Alfred Morris averaged more yards per carry than Zeke did when he covered for him. They just complete drives.

 

[erod]

Dak doesnt struggle at all. But you are more then welcome to show the statistics to prove your point. People have shown over and over again the statistics showing the accuracy of Dak and his effeciency against the blitz.

These claims by the Romo cry babies are nothing short of total and complete cry baby BS.

Must have really hurt to see that deeply thrown 40 yard bomb right down the sidelines. LOL

Now all of a sudden he can throw deep down the sidelines just not in the middle of the field? LOL

Heres some nice clips of Dak throwing the deep ball. And the very first one is just special for you........Right down the middle.



Time to go back under that rock you crawled out of.

Ok, here's one for you. Dak completed that preseason TD pass to Gallup last weekend for 39 yards.

Do you know how many 30+ yard touchdown passes Dak had last year?

Two.

And one of them was a short slant to Rod Smith that he took the distance.

 

[khiladi]

Wrong. "4 for 5" would be an 80% completion rate. Nobody came close to that from 2016-17.

For that time frame, the average completion rate between the numbers was actually 65.9%. Prescott's was 66.8%, which put him 15th among the 32 QB with the most attempts targeted to the middle of the field. Jacoby Brissett ranked 32nd at 51.7%, which itself is much higher than the "2 for 5" you were attributing to Dak.

Maybe you meant short-to-intermediate between the numbers, where the average completion rate goes up to 69.6%. (Still nowhere near the 80% you claimed most QB have.) Dak's was 70.1%, which ranked 13th. Brissett's 53.8% ranked 32nd.

Dak doesn’t attempt nearly as many throws. Red-head QB Weeden there over 70% on this team when he started. His completion attempts are nowhere near what other QBs are in those lists, the point being if you start accelerating his amount of throws, his flaws start becoming evident.

Everybody knows Dak isn’t a risk taker, which is one of his major criticisms. And why when he actually does throw tighter windows it’s a franchise record pick 6s last year. Dak’s inabilities are what he leaves out on the field.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You were the one that brought up Aikman and his stats to show how a QB like that can win a Superbowl , and that's why I mentioned that in those days , you could build a great team to compensate for a mediocre QB because there was no salary cap back then..

As I said , the only way we can build a team like that around Dak is if he's playing for peanuts but I highly doubt he will because he already fired his agent and signed up to a big money agent..

That's why the Troy Aikman comparisons can't be made. Troy played in an era where you could just buy the best players but those days are done.

Your a Dak hater. I think the kid is a complete stud. Teams are never as good today as they were back then. Aikman team was one of the best of all time. You will NEVER see a team like that again.

Dak uses his legs and mobility which is a dimension that Aikman and many other QB's dont have. 400 yards rushing and 6-8 TD's creates an entire set or problems. But explaining this to a hater like you is pointless. You dont look at any of that. You want to compare ONLY the passing of a 2nd year kid and compare that to Aikman in his prime and Tom Brady and Romo in his prime. Its really a waste of my time.

Dak has proven guys like you wrong thus far and will continue to do so. Of that I have no doubt.

 

[Blake]

Dak doesn’t attempt nearly as many throws. Red-head QB Weeden there over 70% on this team when he started. His completion attempts are nowhere near what other QBs are in those lists, the point being if you start accelerating his amount of throws, his flaws start becoming evident.

Everybody knows Dak isn’t a risk taker, which is one of his major criticisms. And why when he actually does throw tighter windows it’s a franchise record pick 6s last year. Dak’s inabilities are what he leaves out on the field.

You're generalizing Dak's play in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence that refutes your criticisms. Oh...this is rich.