Just another reason I'm glad we drafted Zeke

[erod]

No way is Ramsey the best Defensive player in football, what are you smoking? On the other hand, Zeke is arguably the best running back in the NFL.

He is the best corner I've seen come out in a long, long time. Far better than Norman or Sherman. Almost Deion like.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm not going to agree with short term thinkers.

I think long term and if you think long term, Ramsey is the easy answer. It's not debateable even.

This is a short term league compared to what it used to be. And good players will get 8 or 9 years on 2 contracts from one team. Except the elite QB's.

So in most players careers, look at 3 to 5 years tops. If healthy both Ramsey and Zeke will see a 2nd contract with their respective teams.
If comes down to if Zeke's legs are still there in 6 or 7 years. But Ramsey is no Deion either. I bet he gives problems on his 2nd contract. Thinking he is Deion.

 

[CATCH17]

No way is Ramsey the best Defensive player in football, what are you smoking? On the other hand, Zeke is arguably the best running back in the NFL.

Name some guys who are playing at a higher level defensively?

Von Miller and JJ Watt have fallen off. Who else?

 

[CouchCoach]

I'm not going to agree with short term thinkers.

I think long term and if you think long term, Ramsey is the easy answer. It's not debateable even.

Really? How does that 2016 season fit into long term thinking? You think that team goes 13-3 without Zeke? Think they go 13-3 with Ramsey and no Zeke?

I agree that the career length of a CB is better than that of a RB but the impact on the team in the short term takes precedence over any effect long term.

And you are wrong, everything is debatable. You've been here long enough to know that.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You're wrong period. Zeke effects our team more than a CB regardless of how good he is. Sorry you cant see that

Hey, I'm sorry you cant see it. Thats on you bud.

There's a reason people who know much more about football than you value CBs as one of the most valuable positions while valuing RBs as one of the least valuable.

Also I think uour team should have better players to win. Pretty simple right?

So I'm going to take the better player, which is Ramsey.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I agree that the career length of a CB is better than that of a RB but the impact on the team in the short term takes precedence over any effect long term.
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This ia exactly what I'm saying. I will not agree with people who think this is actually true.

 

[Jstopper]

Hey, I'm sorry you cant see it. Thats on you bud.

There's a reason people who know much more about football than you value CBs as one of the most valuable positions while valuing RBs as one of the least valuable.

Also I think uour team should have better players to win. Pretty simple right?

So I'm going to take the better player, which is Ramsey.

A cornerback doesn't take us 13-3 in 2016 and we saw what our offense looked like last year with no Zeke. It's simple to anyone that understands football

 

[scottsp]

Zeke’s a fine player. With the talent Dallas puts out front tackle-to-tackle along with Garrett’s conservative nature that will, no doubt, promise plenty of opportunity, it’s tough to not see him getting his numbers.

Being that there are no other skill players on this roster that should concern defensive coordinators around the league, Zeke is the show.

Not sure that’s equating to a ton of wins or the effect many here long for, but it’s obviously the plan. I can’t say that his impact is so incredible compared to other elite performers in the NFL.

This is a passing league, so for me if you’re not a QB, the next most valuable commodity would be a talent that can really adversely affect that part of an opponent’s offense.

But that’s just me. Like I said, I like Zeke fine.

 

[Kage]

I personally LOVE Ramsey talking trash. Whats even better is, he can and does back it up.

Its entertainment at its best. Besides the game.

 

[aria]

I don’t like the personality of either but for our situation, with our O line, I would have rather taken Ramsey. I never liked the Zeke pick to begin with, I just don’t agree with any team taking a RB that high plus CB’s are harder to find and a team can usually get more years out of them.

Also, I wasn’t a fan of Zeke due to his attitude in college. Calling out his coach after losing was a distraction and I have a feeling when things don’t his way, as they mostly have, we’ll see a different side. I’m not talking about the bs suspension, I’m referring to losing, not getting the ball enough, etc. Him quitting in Denver was a prime example. He’s been fortunate enough in life to not have faced much adversity on the field and I don’t think he will handle it too well if he eventually does have to face it.

 

[hornitosmonster]

He is the best corner I've seen come out in a long, long time. Far better than Norman or Sherman. Almost Deion like.

He isn't even the bet CB right now, that title belongs to a player in Arizona

 

[kskboys]

And how much you wanna bet he tops them all? And they know that because they're already preparing with some of the players they let walk. Ramsey will be the highest paid D player in history.

Yup. And if they overpay him, they'll start going downhill.

And that's not just because he's a CB, it's because when you start overpaying individual players on D, you have to let go the strength that made your D good/dominant to begin w/.

Look at SEA. Earl is 29 and isn't what he once was. SEA couldn't wait to dump Shermouth. And that's at the ripe old age of 30.

It's hilarious how so many harp on RB's not lasting, but then promote the other position that doesn't last!!!

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

A cornerback doesn't take us 13-3 in 2016 and we saw what our offense looked like last year with no Zeke. It's simple to anyone that understands football

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ******* CLUE WHAT RAMSEY WOULD HAVE DONE FOR US IN 2016.

NONE OF YALL DO. STOP BRINGING THAT STRAWMAN **** IN HERE.

COME BACK AT ME WITH FACTS OR NOT AT ALL. HAVING ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE WOULD HAVE HELPED THE TEAM TREMENDOUSLY IN 2016. RODGERS WOULD HAVE ONLY HAD ONE SIDE OF THE FIELD IN PLAYOFFS.

You dont understand football, and thats okay. Just dont come at me with bull**** while im spitting facts if you dont want to get embarrassed.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's funny that it's pretty commonly known that defense wins championships. But then there's dumb as replies like this.

A cornerback doesn't take us 13-3 in 2016 and we saw what our offense looked like last year with no Zeke. It's simple to anyone that understands football

 

[erod]

He isn't even the bet CB right now, that title belongs to a player in Arizona

Patrick Peterson isn't in the same zip code as Jalen Ramsey. Teams attack Peterson pretty regularly. They rarely try to even throw on Ramsey now.

Ramsey is vastly superior to Peterson.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I get that I'm saying something negative about the Cowboys so it'll be picked apart by the passes. But if you want to pick it apart. Make solid arguments, not make believe falacys.

 

[kskboys]

Patrick Peterson isn't in the same zip code as Jalen Ramsey. Teams attack Peterson pretty regularly. They rarely try to even throw on Ramsey now.

Ramsey is vastly superior to Peterson.

He is.

Peterson has always been a bit overrated. He's always been good but not great. He's got this name recognition thingie that keeps people thinking he's better than he is.

Best CB's in the league include Ramsey along w/ Heyward, Rhodes, Gilmore, Lattimore, and Peters. No particular order.

Shermouth is coming off a major achilles injury which is why I didn't rate him in this group. And SF has no pass rush, so I'm not convinced Shermouth will be top 10 even if he does come back close to what he was.

 

[CouchCoach]

This ia exactly what I'm saying. I will not agree with people who think this is actually true.

Then no team would ever make a pick for immediate impact on the upcoming season? Long term is what it's all about? C'mon, get real, teams picking in the top 10 are picking for need and immediate help because those GM's and HC's are not thinking long term unless that involves a moving van.

 

[kskboys]

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ******* CLUE WHAT RAMSEY WOULD HAVE DONE FOR US IN 2016.

NONE OF YALL DO. STOP BRINGING THAT STRAWMAN **** IN HERE.

COME BACK AT ME WITH FACTS OR NOT AT ALL. HAVING ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE WOULD HAVE HELPED THE TEAM TREMENDOUSLY IN 2016. RODGERS WOULD HAVE ONLY HAD ONE SIDE OF THE FIELD IN PLAYOFFS.

You dont understand football, and thats okay. Just dont come at me with bull**** while im spitting facts if you dont want to get embarrassed.

You just declared that there were no arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[InTheZone]

I've heard reports that if the front office didn't select Ezekiel Elliot with the 4th overall pick in 2016, Jalen Ramsey would have been the pick.

Ramsey has quickly become the type of player I despise- arrogant, cocky, and just an all around loud mouth. He rips other players on a regular basis and just seems like he will eventually turn into a toxic player in the locker room, if he hasn't already become one.

I don't care how good Ramsey becomes. No player is worth those kinds of constant distractions.

So glad we went with Zeke.

I wanted Ramsey, but I quickly became a believer in Zeke after seeing him run with a star. Sadly there's too many people already looking forward to the day we draft a replacement after his rookie contract or are ready to bash him for something minor or he can't control, in a way similar to Dez.