Cowboys have 19.3 million in cap space

[Nightman]

Three amazingly consistent things I find on this board.

1. If I make a slightly generic disparaging comment about a group of people and the person takes it personally they are in fact guilty of said statement. No matter how much I may compliment or agree with them in other posts they will get upset over a single generic statement addressed at large. I think the kids call this being a snowflake.

2. When I post 15 statements in one post and a person is only able to comment about one without addressing ANYthing else they essentially have zero logical points to offer as a rebuttal.

3. When I drink an energy drink to get through a long day I seem to offend lots of people, lol. I'll try to dial down the aggression.

You made several insults chachi and your own ideas on the cap are very basic

 

[jterrell]

I understand that and so Does he if he re-signs it’ll be for top-five money

20M a year early versus 40M over 5 years is likely a wash at best.
Money in hand is still king.

Dak isn't DLaw with a 17M payday assured.
He makes less than 1M in 2019.

 

[CATCH17]

Oh, I see, run Beasley the same 2 routes every time, yeah that'll keep defenses guessing, eh?

Wouldn't do it 3-4 times a game, but occasionally would keep the defense on their toes, at least. And they're not going to throw him 50/50 balls, at 5-8, even with his jumping ability would be silly, even the Dallas coa
Not saying that either. We've been so extreme on one end but having Beasley run 9's and

I'm all for them being dynamic. Not stupid though.

 

[Nightman]

If going all in isn't going to accomplish anything, I'd rather keep the money on the shelf so it can be used later.

I think you missed the point

No one ever said going all in wouldn't accomplish anything...... I said going all in is lot different than leaving 25m+ salary cap money unspent

How about we leave 5m unspent and spend another 20m on some good players that WILL help this team and not worry so much about 2-3 years from now when the cap will go up and several large contracts will be gone

 

[jterrell]

You made several insults chachi and your own ideas on the cap are very basic

huh??

point me to insult #2?

This team still has the 2nd or 3rd highest dead cap number in football.
They are taking real steps to rectify that and the large cap space they have means they 'could' actually trade for a guy like Earl Thomas in season for once. -Earl's value to SEA drops weekly as he scheduled for FA.
If not they can roll that money over and truly have a beautiful cap situation next season.

So many faux cap experts on this board are very clearly not actual finance guys. --insult 1.
And they all seem to hate Jerry but want to be part of his wildcatting salary cap ways.

Dak, Zeke and DLaw are almost certainly 3 of the team's top 5 players.
They all get new contracts in 2019 ideally.
Rather than be a cap idiot and pay them a few M in 2019 the team can handle paying them market value for that season so they are not handicapping the team going forward. --cap idiot here is CLEARLY addressed at THE TEAM where I then explain how they messed this up in the past with below examples

Examples of this handled poorly in the past?
Jay Ratliff
Demarcus Ware
Tony Romo
Miles Austin --ok the cap was ripped off when the NFL decided we didn't abide by unwritten illegal rules.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Spending big money on an ET or A. Donald seems to be a valid way to get this team to a SB, at least to some.
And in general I'd agree, if this was Jimmy's team.

But just look at what happens when Dallas does that. Do I need to remind people of guys like Vanderjagt, Cedric Thornton, Greg Hardy, R. McClain, a cornerback who never even made the final 53 (if memory serves, can't remember his name), Demetrius Underwood, Tim Lester just to name a few. Busts all, and that doesn't even include people like Marco Rivera, good player but who hurt his back his first year and was never as good as he was at GB.

Doesn't exactly give confidence that getting the "hot" free agent will be any better than what you've got...

 

[cern]

Bhai

I think you missed the point

No one ever said going all in wouldn't accomplish anything...... I said going all in is lot different than leaving 25m+ salary cap money unspent

How about we leave 5m unspent and spend another 20m on some good players that WILL help this team and not worry so much about 2-3 years from now when the cap will go up and several large contracts will be gone

there was a time not long ago when I disagreed with your thoughts on the cap and spending. that is because I likened it to investing. but the two aren't mutually exclusive. saving cap space doesn't earn money. and you can't just go out and sell a player to generate income like you can sell stock. ergo, I can now easily accept the premise that football is far better suited for short term thinking and not long term thinking such as investing.

 

[jterrell]

I think you missed the point

No one ever said going all in wouldn't accomplish anything...... I said going all in is lot different than leaving 25m+ salary cap money unspent

How about we leave 5m unspent and spend another 20m on some good players that WILL help this team and not worry so much about 2-3 years from now when the cap will go up and several large contracts will be gone

You are missing the point.
1. If they trade for then re-sign ET that 20M gets eaten in one move.
2. If they don't use that money it is there for next year's use and does not evaporate.

 

[Zekeats]

20M a year early versus 40M over 5 years is likely a wash at best.
Money in hand is still king.

Dak isn't DLaw with a 17M payday assured.
He makes less than 1M in 2019.

40 million? You’re not over exaggerating are you?

 

[cern]

Spending big money on an ET or A. Donald seems to be a valid way to get this team to a SB, at least to some.
And in general I'd agree, if this was Jimmy's team.

But just look at what happens when Dallas does that. Do I need to remind people of guys like Vanderjagt, Cedric Thornton, Greg Hardy, R. McClain, a cornerback who never even made the final 53 (if memory serves, can't remember his name), Demetrius Underwood, Tim Lester just to name a few. Busts all, and that doesn't even include people like Marco Rivera, good player but who hurt his back his first year and was never as good as he was at GB.

Doesn't exactly give confidence that getting the "hot" free agent will be any better than what you've got...

better decisions need to be made regarding the players on which we spend the money, to be sure. but the premise of spending seems sound. we can all admit that for one year.r.mcclain put this defense over the top. even when sean lee was out with injuries.

 

[Nightman]

You are missing the point.
1. If they trade for then re-sign ET that 20M gets eaten in one move.
2. If they don't use that money it is there for next year's use and does not evaporate.

EThomas will be less than 6m

We are already 60m+ under next year...... we don't need to be 80m under...... there are no accounting trophies

The idea is to be at or over the cap limit every year

 

[jterrell]

40 million? You’re not over exaggerating are you?

Not one bit.
40m is nothing on a franchise QB's long term contract.
Jimmy G is making 37.5 just this year.

Go read all my posts and see I am suggesting it likely takes 6 years and 130M to get this done early. (yes you have to manipulate the deal to make it a 6 year deal by adding a known reno year after the first which would both lower the cap hits and provide more money)
If Dak waits he could easily reach 170M over that same 6 year period.
But again he would be risking staying healthy and not having some terrible season that resets his market downward.
Safe bet for him and team is a bottom of the top 10 area QB deal with about 50% GTD.
DAK is now GTD he makes 20M plus long term and team is GTD is never pays 30M for at least 5 year for a QB.

Once guys have money in hand they can be more risky but having never made a lot of money it is tougher to gamble away future serious wealth.

 

[jterrell]

EThomas will be less than 6m

We are already 60m+ under next year...... we don't need to be 80m under...... there are no accounting trophies

The idea is to be at or over the cap limit every year

Exactly zero of that is necessarily true and is all your faulty opinion about cap management.

Earl Thomas has a base of 8.5M and DAL would HAVE to have that availble to make a trade period.
That will reduce 1/16th each week as season progresses.

DAL would likely renegotiate and hand ET a big check so as to accrue his money THIS YEAR.
So that he wasn't costing them big money going forward.

Accounting awards are exactly how you win long-term. See the one and only team to do so in this era, New England.
They manage the cap better than anyone and they win more than anyone.
They rolled over more than 7M last year coming off back to back Super Bowls and have 24M in cap space for 2019 right now.
That's simply amazing cap mgmt for long time winners with franchise QB money on the books.

But part of that is the inevitable fleecing of dudes.
Their is already talk of them trading Gronk because he wants too much money.

 

[Nightman]

Bhai

there was a time not long ago when I disagreed with your thoughts on the cap and spending. that is because I likened it to investing. but the two aren't mutually exclusive. saving cap space doesn't earn money. and you can't just go out and sell a player to generate income like you can sell stock. ergo, I can now easily accept the premise that football is far better suited for short term thinking and not long term thinking such as investing.

That is the problem must people make.... they want to compare it to real life situations... the NFL salary cap is unique

When in fact restructures are like borrowing $10 today and only having to pay back $9....even less if the player stays for 5 years

If they bank said you can borrow $10m and pay us back $2m for 5 years with No interest and No fees most smart people would jump at that and use the money TODAY to better themselves or their business...... all this knowing they are getting guaranteed raises for the foreseeable future

Getting out of cap trouble is way too easy ....it takes one season tops and usually just means dumping so old contracts that are bloated anyways

Tony Romo retiring early saved the team 34m AFTER the 19m in Dead Money
Dez Bryant getting cut saved the team 25m AFTER THE 8m in Dead Money

That is 59m in savings for 27m in Dead Money...... that is a 32m net gain...........SMART MOVE

 

[Nightman]

Exactly zero of that is necessarily true and is all your faulty opinion about cap management.

Earl Thomas has a base of 8.5M and DAL would HAVE to have that availble to make a trade period.
That will reduce 1/16th each week as season progresses.

DAL would likely renegotiate and hand ET a big check so as to accrue his money THIS YEAR.
So that he wasn't costing them big money going forward.

Accounting awards are exactly how you win long-term. See the one and only team to do so in this era, New England.
They manage the cap better than anyone and they win more than anyone.
They rolled over more than 7M last year coming off back to back Super Bowls and have 24M in cap space for 2019 right now.
That's simply amazing cap mgmt for long time winners with franchise QB money on the books.

But part of that is the inevitable fleecing of dudes.
Their is already talk of them trading Gronk because he wants too much money.

EThomas is not getting traded without a new deal

That will be in the 4/44m to 5/60m range....that would put his Signing Bonus at 25m tops so that is 5m a year pro-rated

That gives him a 6m cap charge this year

 

[LACowboysFan1]

better decisions need to be made regarding the players on which we spend the money, to be sure. but the premise of spending seems sound. we can all admit that for one year.r.mcclain put this defense over the top. even when sean lee was out with injuries.

Better decisions certainly need to be made, but this team seems incapable of doing so, if they could they'd have done it years ago.

I really think in a lot of ways Jerry and Stephen are too easily convinced by some player or the player's agent that they are really, really good and can really, really help the team.
In Hardy's case, seems all they looked at was stats, never occurred to them that maybe, just maybe, Hardy was good because of who he played beside, which was found out to be the case.

Of course not many were, but the Cowboys' staff in the mid-60s-early 70's knew what they were doing, signing guys like Alworth, Adderly, Neely, Howley and Edwards, just to name a few. Guys who they used in the proper position and who were solid, if not spectacular, players for the Cowboys.

Even Jimmy got players like Novacek, Haley and Casillas. This team hasn't a clue...

 

[jterrell]

That is the problem must people make.... they want to compare it to real life situations... the NFL salary cap is unique

When in fact restructures are like borrowing $10 today and only having to pay back $9....even less if the player stays for 5 years

If they bank said you can borrow $10m and pay us back $2m for 5 years with No interest and No fees most smart people would jump at that and use the money TODAY to better themselves or their business...... all this knowing they are getting guaranteed raises for the foreseeable future

Getting out of cap trouble is way too easy ....it takes one season tops and usually just means dumping so old contracts that are bloated anyways

Tony Romo retiring early saved the team 34m AFTER the 19m in Dead Money
Dez Bryant getting cut saved the team 25m AFTER THE 8m in Dead Money

That is 59m in savings for 27m in Dead Money...... that is a 32m net gain...........SMART MOVE

This is how to NOT look at the cap or any financial situation.

DAL is 2nd in dead cap money because of this in 2018. Almost 30M in players no longer around.
Tony Romo isn't saving us money, he is costing us money and we have to pay his replacement.
Same as Jay Ratliff and other guys before them.

With injuries and rapid decline year over in this league is utter lunacy to automatically assume a guy will be available and worth more money next year than he is now.

The other teams with high dead money:
Bills at 9 wins
DAL with 9
NYG with 3
49ers with 6
Browns with 0
Jets with 5
Chiefs w 10 is first team to have 10 wins on the list.


The Pats have 6M in dead cap.
Eagles 10.8M.
DAL started the year 20M behind both.

This is very much like real ife.
A dollar saved is a dollar earned.
Money can be rolled over yearly.
Leveraged future money is still leveraged and is still playing odds nothing goes wrong.

Interest free loans are still loans and have to be repaid and include penalties for missed payments or late payments.

 

[jterrell]

EThomas is not getting traded without a new deal

That will be in the 4/44m to 5/60m range....that would put his Signing Bonus at 25m tops so that is 5m a year pro-rated

That gives him a 6m cap charge this year

That again is a very faulty assumption based upon a year 1 base salary of 1M which is very unlikely in DAL.
You are still doing cap math like this is 2005.

 

[Nightman]

point me to insult #2?

Here are a few

Rather than be a cap idiot

So many faux cap experts on this board are very clearly not actual finance guys.

I think the kids call this being a snowflake.

have zero logical points to offer as a rebuttal.

is all your faulty opinion about cap management.

I got no problems with insults unless that is your leading and only argument....show some substance first

 

[jterrell]

Here are a few







I got no problems with insults unless that is your leading and only argument....show some substance first

ROFL... that is completely erroneous and intellectually dishonest on every level.
you were addressing one post and I quoted that post word for word with formatting.
2 of those lines were from that post and the second was directed squarely at the TEAM by name.

So 1 insult in that post was directed any any person at all.

As to the cap stuff you are simply wrong. I've pointed this out for about 3 years running and you still haven't caught up.
It's ok though, at some point you will.