JG's two winning seasons

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JG has had two winning seasons as the HC. 2014 season with Romo (12-4) and 2016 season with Dak (13-3). What do those two seasons have in common? We had both a dominant OL and a run game.

Before I go on, I want to point out
"THIS IS NOT DAK VS ROMO THREAD". I was a Romo guy and I've been supportive of Dak.
Unless you are blind, anyone can see Romo was much better passer than Dak.

Our bad offense is due to JG's crappy scheme more so than the who the QB is. Even great as Romo was he only had one winning season with JG as the HC. A season where we had a dominant OL and a run game. All the other seasons he could only get us to 8-8.

People forget, he had some very bad games during those three 8-8 seasons. There were several games where we only scored 7 points. And several games where we scored 16 points or less. And we all remember the mistakes at the end of the week 17 win or go home games.

I'm not pointing this out to bash Romo but to show, even as great as he was, he could not over come JG and his crappy scheme. Only time he could was when we had a dominant OL and a run game.

Dak could very well be a bum, but the fact remains, he has produced when he had a dominant OL and a run game. In order for JG's crappy scheme to work, you have to have both.

I think Aaron Rogers and R. Wilson are the only two QBs that could overcome JG's garbage scheme .
 
I think it is more then just the scheme. It is their inability to scout their opponents and formulate a game plan to attack their weaknesses.

Other then Brady the thing that makes the Pats so tough is they aren't set to a type of offense, they will go big and run it down your throat, spread you out and dink and dunk you to death, and they will play long ball.

It is about creating mismatches and putting their players in position to win. Something we rarely see around here, it is more about execution and over powering people instead of creating confusing and dictating to the defense.

Pretty much exactly what we saw the first half vs the Panthers, trying to line up with 2 TEs and pound it right at their strength, the front 7.
 
Zman5 said:
JG has had two winning seasons as the HC. 2014 season with Romo (12-4) and 2016 season with Dak (13-3). What do those two seasons have in common? We had both a dominant OL and a run game.

Before I go on, I want to point out
"THIS IS NOT DAK VS ROMO THREAD". I was a Romo guy and I've been supportive of Dak.
Unless you are blind, anyone can see Romo was much better passer than Dak.

Our bad offense is due to JG's crappy scheme more so than the who the QB is. Even great as Romo was he only had one winning season with JG as the HC. A season where we had a dominant OL and a run game. All the other seasons he could only get us to 8-8.

People forget, he had some very bad games during those three 8-8 seasons. There were several games where we only scored 7 points. And several games where we scored 16 points or less. And we all remember the mistakes at the end of the week 17 win or go home games.

I'm not pointing this out to bash Romo but to show, even as great as he was, he could not over come JG and his crappy scheme. Only time he could was when we had a dominant OL and a run game.

Dak could very well be a bum, but the fact remains, he has produced when he had a dominant OL and a run game. In order for JG's crappy scheme to work, you have to have both.

I think Aaron Rogers and R. Wilson are the only two QBs that could overcome JG's garbage scheme .
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2017: 9-7
 
Do you get the feeling the players respect Jason Garrett? I don't mean saying they respect him if they're asked in an interview, of course they'd say that, but really have the level of respect for him as they should their head coach?

I do not and that goes a long way as to why his teams don't respond to his coaching.
 
AtlCPA said:
2017: 9-7
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Good point. This goes along with what I'm trying to say here. We were better offensively when Tyron was healthy and Zeke was playing. Had Tyron stayed healthy and Zeke not suspended, we would have had more wins.
 
There were plenty of opportunities Sunday. Dak needed to pull the trigger.
 
Risen Star said:
Do you get the feeling the players respect Jason Garrett? I don't mean saying they respect him if they're asked in an interview, of course they'd say that, but really have the level of respect for him as they should their head coach?

I do not and that goes a long way as to why his teams don't respond to his coaching.
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That's another topic for another thread. But I agree with your point.
 
Haimerej said:
There were plenty of opportunities Sunday. Dak needed to pull the trigger.
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That goes without saying but my main point is even a gun slinger like Romo had one winning season under JG. A season when he had a dominant OL and a run game.
 
Zman5 said:
JG has had two winning seasons as the HC. 2014 season with Romo (12-4) and 2016 season with Dak (13-3). What do those two seasons have in common? We had both a dominant OL and a run game.

Before I go on, I want to point out
"THIS IS NOT DAK VS ROMO THREAD". I was a Romo guy and I've been supportive of Dak.
Unless you are blind, anyone can see Romo was much better passer than Dak.

Our bad offense is due to JG's crappy scheme more so than the who the QB is. Even great as Romo was he only had one winning season with JG as the HC. A season where we had a dominant OL and a run game. All the other seasons he could only get us to 8-8.

People forget, he had some very bad games during those three 8-8 seasons. There were several games where we only scored 7 points. And several games where we scored 16 points or less. And we all remember the mistakes at the end of the week 17 win or go home games.

I'm not pointing this out to bash Romo but to show, even as great as he was, he could not over come JG and his crappy scheme. Only time he could was when we had a dominant OL and a run game.

Dak could very well be a bum, but the fact remains, he has produced when he had a dominant OL and a run game. In order for JG's crappy scheme to work, you have to have both.

I think Aaron Rogers and R. Wilson are the only two QBs that could overcome JG's garbage scheme .
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9-7 last year
 
Zman5 said:
That goes without saying but my main point is even a gun slinger like Romo had one winning season under JG. A season when he had a dominant OL and a run game.
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and your point is there are no other factors
 
Doomsday said:
I think it is more then just the scheme. It is their inability to scout their opponents and formulate a game plan to attack their weaknesses.

Other then Brady the thing that makes the Pats so tough is they aren't set to a type of offense, they will go big and run it down your throat, spread you out and dink and dunk you to death, and they will play long ball.

It is about creating mismatches and putting their players in position to win. Something we rarely see around here, it is more about execution and over powering people instead of creating confusing and dictating to the defense.

Pretty much exactly what we saw the first half vs the Panthers, trying to line up with 2 TEs and pound it right at their strength, the front 7.
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JG is all about imposing our will. When that doesn't work, we've got nothing.
 
waving monkey said:
and your point is there are no other factors
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There are others but not as major as those. Many here seem to think once we have a good QB, our offense will be set. My point is, even if we draft a top pick QB, we'll have issues unless we have a dominant OL and a run game with JG's scheme. I doubt even a top pick rookie QB would be better than Romo in his prime.
 
Zman5 said:
That goes without saying but my main point is even a gun slinger like Romo had one winning season under JG. A season when he had a dominant OL and a run game.
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Dak's had two despite garbage play.

Funny thing is, as someone who saw these shortcomings in Dak his rookie season, Dak's success to this point actually bolstered my faith in the coaching staff. They took a guy who was a projected backup and convinced the fanbase he was a franchise guy after winning 13 games. But other teams have caught up to what they need to do to slow him down and there's only so much coaching can overcome. He can't lift his game to carry the team against good defenses.
 
After the Giants game Sunday I'll at least have a hunch about this team.
It's a big game for both teams.
The one thing I'll offer is if Dak is a gamer he'll show up Sunday big time. If not well that says a lot.
 
Haimerej said:
Dak's had two despite garbage play.

Funny thing is, as someone who saw these shortcomings in Dak his rookie season, Dak's success to this point actually bolstered my faith in the coaching staff. They took a guy who was a projected backup and convinced the fanbase he was a franchise guy after winning 13 games. But other teams have caught up to what they need to do to slow him down and there's only so much coaching can overcome. He can't lift his game to carry the team against good defenses.
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Most of Dak's bad games were when he didn't have the two.
 
Risen Star said:
Do you get the feeling the players respect Jason Garrett? I don't mean saying they respect him if they're asked in an interview, of course they'd say that, but really have the level of respect for him as they should their head coach?

I do not and that goes a long way as to why his teams don't respond to his coaching.
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Unfortunately, with such a young team they don't have anything to compare it to at the NFL level.
 
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