Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[Redball Express]

Most teams have a #1 WR, quality may be different, but they have someone a defense feels they need to roll coverage to, to take pressure off the other players and not give the defense an advantage. 3 ProBowl quality skill players is a different story. There's not one WR/TE on this team a defense respects, so they can stack the box because they don't worry Dak can beat them and he doesn't have a receiver that can beat them 1on1. That gives the defense a lot of options and doesn't force them into unfavorable matchups. We call ourselves a run first offense, but we can't run first. It's easy to say Dak, just has to make plays, but why not try to make it easier for him to make those plays by actually finding a quality WR/TE?

There are teams that have a "3-headed monster" Saints, Rams, Chiefs, Steelers, Chargers, Falcons. And there are a few borderline big 3 offenses, where having a quality RB and WR/TE is a big help to their QBs like Bengals and Jags. You don't expect an offense to get better without providing quality weapons. It was foolish to think that our passing game would improve going with the jag WR and nobody TE approach. Why would any team do that, especially with a young QB?

Holy Toledo..

So you expect after an off season where we removed a cancerous non- productive $12 mil a year WR..

and lost an aging TE in the same off season..

positions that took years to develop..

that we should just magically replace them

In 3 or 4 months?

Madden Football is not what is being played here.

 

[Redball Express]

Great speech

Oh my .

Just my opinion.

The way fans today expect results without struggle just shows how little they know.

Don Meredith was our 1st great QB..

I watched him in the Cotton Bowl and we had to endure lots of ups and downs.

But nobody wanted him yanked except When Craig Morton came along.

Morton took us to our 1st 2 SBs.

And he struggled until Staubach arrived.

But the QB position is a lightning rod position.

So patience has to be used.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Holy Toledo..

So you expect after an off season where we removed a cancerous non- productive $12 mil a year WR..

and lost an aging TE in the same off season..

positions that took years to develop..

that we should just magically replace them

In 3 or 4 months?

Madden Football is not what is being played here.

The fact is other teams do sign impactful FAs and make trades for them. We could have upgraded and developed before it became too late. Dez had been showing signs of regressing for a couple seasons, Witt wasn't getting any younger and instead of upgrading and moving on from TWill, we resign him. The signs were there, they chose to ignore it and kick the can down the road, again. The prior offseason we did precious little to upgrade our roster coming off a promising season. We largely chose to stand pat, unless you count signing the likes of Carroll and Paea, trying to upgrade our roster. You build your core through the draft, but a team has to be able to make impactful trades and sign FAs.

Don't act like the diminishing production and skills of our WR/TE wasn't already evident before this past off season.

 

[Jake]

For me it isn't about stats. I don't think Dak's current level of play is good enough to win a playoff game against the likes of Rodgers, the Vikings, the Rams, etc..

If he doesn't earn that level of confidence by the end of year three, given he's been the starter from his first game, the Cowboys need to look at alternatives.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Oh my .

Just my opinion.

The way fans today expect results without struggle just shows how little they know.

Don Meredith was our 1st great QB..

I watched him in the Cotton Bowl and we had to endure lots of ups and downs.

But nobody wanted him yanked except When Craig Morton came along.

Morton took us to our 1st 2 SBs.

And he struggled until Staubach arrived.

But the QB position is a lightning rod position.

So patience has to be used.

Agreed. Started watching as a boy in the early 80s— so not quite the perspective you have of the franchise— but there definitely seems to be more impatience for player development in the modern era.

The salary cap dictates parity and a “win now” philosophy for the league. The championship window closes so quickly in this era... hoping Dak continues his development as a QB. I love his leadership intangibles and intelligence.

 

[JoeKing]

I have seen him his whole career including that first year people were so giddy about. even then his footwork and accuracy were issues. I was one of the few that advocated for Romo to take back his starting job instead of keeping Dak in there. it was even obvious then that he needed to improve. the one thing I did like about him was the fight in him. and his leadership skills. I think he got lucky and hit the perfect storm at the time. plus, he presented something at the time that other teams had not seen from dallas, a QB that could run and make plays with his feet. they weren't ready for that..... but with that said, he needed to elevated his game and he hasn't. year 3 and he still has trouble setting his feet, he still has trouble reading defenses, he is unsure of himself at most times and doesn't trust his arm and now starting to stare down his revciever instead of going through his progression. I hope he gets out of this funk. I hope he improves. I hope he settles down.

25 wins in 38 games is not a bad record. He doesn't have to be an elite QB to win championships and I don't care about his form or footwork as long as he keeps up his winning trend. Of course, he's going to get better, he's only in his 3rd season. How many seasons was Romo in the league before he even started? You are being ridiculously hard on Dak so from now on I'm just going to consider the source and ignore you.

 

[keysersoze]

and that's the million dollar question. will Dak enhance!

Only time will tell. Your personal opinions mean nothing

 

[keysersoze]

25 wins in 38 games is not a bad record. He doesn't have to be an elite QB to win championships and I don't care about his form or footwork as long as he keeps up his winning trend. Of course, he's going to get better, he's only in his 3rd season. How many seasons was Romo in the league before he even started? You are being ridiculously hard on Dak so from now on I'm just going to consider the source and ignore you.

Great post!!! It’s him and guys like him who have a personal hatred for Dak. Dak is light years ahead of Romo at this point in his career. Romo sat on the bench and on the practice squad for years before he ever played a game. Dak helped save our 2016 season as a rookie. 13-3 and the best regular season record in franchise history. It’s hilarious to see these clowns bash Dak when so far his worst efforts still netted a winning season of 9-7. I remember praying for 9-7 seasons during the Romo era. But Dak gets bashed for it. This is some sad stuff man. But familial habits are hard to break. They were taught by their parents to feel this way

 

[keysersoze]

Was it against Green Bay? Where he actually put up very good numbers and willed us back to almost winning the game? If thats the case you must have missed it.

Yea. That dude Gator is totally clueless

 

[blumayne38]

Romo was bashed on here mercilously. Dak will be even worse. Romo was in his prime and balling.

If some of these laughers dont have Tom Brady they cry. Yet the same clownies support Garrett or think Jeff Heath is a stud. Funny stuff.

Keep Jeff Heath out of you’re mouth

 

[Cap12]

So what you're saying is that Dak has been good, as in 2016, and bad, in the last half of 2017, but that the bad is what he is and can never get back to the 2016 level.

Which I don't think is something you can decide now...

I'm saying that Dak has had success running a college system in the NFL mostly because of the elite talent around him. That kind of play is not sustainiable. In 2017, just a couple injuries and a suspension and Dak goes from world beater to world weary. That tells me that 2016 was more a product of the talent around him than Dak himself. RPO schemes don't prolong QB careers. Kap is out (and not just because of the unmentionable topic), Wilson converted to pocket passer. Only Cam continues to have some success at this because he's like a supersized, more talented version of Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

25 wins in 38 games is not a bad record. He doesn't have to be an elite QB to win championships and I don't care about his form or footwork as long as he keeps up his winning trend. Of course, he's going to get better, he's only in his 3rd season. How many seasons was Romo in the league before he even started? You are being ridiculously hard on Dak so from now on I'm just going to consider the source and ignore you.

I am not ridiculously being tough on Dak. what I saw in the first year were some flaws that needed to be fixed or they would come to haunt him later...what I see is the flaws still exists and now he is not as good. you can hide your flaws for so long, until there is enough film on you and then they will expose your weaknesses. we have to wait and see where we end up this year to have full picture but right now its not looking good. going from 13-3, to 9-7 (yeah yeah yeah, I have read list of excuses) to we are 1-1 and not very good performances so far..... he has an easystretch over the next 2 or 3 games, but he has to get through the gauntlet.

with that said, Dak came into the perfect situation to a loaded team, with all the support he needed. Romo didn't. he has to endure and wait for a team to get some talent. Romo lifted the players around him, where as Dak needs the support, he can't lift the team.

 

[gimmesix]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/19/d...vers-running-game-jason-garrett-scott-linehan

In 2016, Dak Prescott played under better conditions than any rookie QB in history, if not any QB period. His offensive line was a step beyond dominant, giving the Cowboys a commanding running game and its quarterback routinely clean pockets from which to throw. Defenses were still treating Dez Bryant like a No. 1 receiver, rolling safety help his way. That clarified Prescott's reads, presenting obvious one-on-one throws in other parts of the field. Underneath, Prescott had the ultimate security blanket in tight end Jason Witten, and a mismatch-maker in shifty slot ace Cole Beasley. On top of it all, Prescott was new, so defenses had little film on him. The young QB capitalized on these conditions, posting a 104.9 passer rating and guiding the Cowboys to a 13-3 season.

To outside observers, America’s Team had its franchise QB. But within the NFL, some of the old guard cautioned to pump the brakes. History suggested—nay, guaranteed—that those perfect conditions would not last. Prescott should only be evaluated once his circumstances normalized.

Sure enough, they have. This season, that offensive line has been less imposing without superstar center Travis Frederick, who is out indefinitely while he recovers from Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a disorder that affects the nervous system. Without Frederick, Ezekiel Elliott and the ground game has been, at least by 2016 standards, spotty. Defenses figured out last year that Bryant was washed up; they stopped rolling coverage his way, and so this offseason the Cowboys stopped employing him. He’s now out of football. So is Jason Witten, who retired to fill Jon Gruden’s vacant MNF seat. Beasley is still around, but as anyone with even a smidgen of football acumen suspected, he’s more dynamic as a third or fourth option.

These aren’t dire straits Dallas is in, they’re regular NFL “straits,” which is why the Cowboys’ record since 2016—10-8, including their 1-1 start this year—is almost perfectly average. Quarterbacks get paid to spin gold from “perfectly average.” Head coach Jason Garrett and offensive coordinator Scott Linehan must figure out how to help Prescott do that.

Hmmm ... I would have preferred that we just try harder to maintain those "better conditions" than find out what happens in "normalized" circumstances. Quarterbacks can elevate the play of their team, sometimes we expect more of them than is reasonable to deliver.

I'm not saying we shouldn't expect better play than we've been getting from Prescott, just that we can't discount those "normalized" circumstances, which include this year no star players at wide receiver and tight end, a missing All-Pro center and a rookie learning to play guard.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

For me it isn't about stats. I don't think Dak's current level of play is good enough to win a playoff game against the likes of Rodgers, the Vikings, the Rams, etc..

If he doesn't earn that level of confidence by the end of year three, given he's been the starter from his first game, the Cowboys need to look at alternatives.

And that's the whole point, 2 years and 2 games in the league and people have already decided he's a mediocre quarterback, and can only win with "elite" talent around him.

I hope they're not judged in their jobs based on their first 2 years. I was an insurance claims adjuster for over 25 years, but the adjuster I was after two years was far inferior to the adjuster I was when I left the business.

But I know, all those that have decided what Dak is now are long time NFL talent scouts, coaches or general managers, experts in the field, ya know!
Just wonder why they aren't on an NFL team's staff instead of blogging on a website for Cowboys fans....

 

[Philmonroe]

For me it isn't about stats. I don't think Dak's current level of play is good enough to win a playoff game against the likes of Rodgers, the Vikings, the Rams, etc..

If he doesn't earn that level of confidence by the end of year three, given he's been the starter from his first game, the Cowboys need to look at alternatives.

I agree with this and stats aside how many qb's with Daks skillset are long term franchise qb's?

 

[keysersoze]

I agree with this and stats aside how many qb's with Daks skillset are long term franchise qb's?

I’m not sure if you guys have ever played organized football. But playoff games or games in general aren’t all about the opposing quarterbacks. The opposing defenses have a say in the outcomes as well. But hey! You guys and fantasy football have it all figured out. LMAO

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm saying that Dak has had success running a college system in the NFL mostly because of the elite talent around him. That kind of play is not sustainiable. In 2017, just a couple injuries and a suspension and Dak goes from world beater to world weary. That tells me that 2016 was more a product of the talent around him than Dak himself. RPO schemes don't prolong QB careers. Kap is out (and not just because of the unmentionable topic), Wilson converted to pocket passer. Only Cam continues to have some success at this because he's like a supersized, more talented version of Dak.

So you're saying Dak can't improve, basically, that he's as good as he's going to get?

 

[keysersoze]

So you're saying Dak can't improve, basically, that he's as good as he's going to get?

Yea. That is what they hope. So we can replace him with a quarterback who fits their description. It’s sad....

 

[Philmonroe]

I’m not sure if you guys have ever played organized football. But playoff games or games in general aren’t all about the opposing quarterbacks. The opposing defenses have a say in the outcomes as well. But hey! You guys and fantasy football have it all figured out. LMAO

Yeah I played organized football and? Who said games were all about opposing qb's? This is a common thing to do online and make up discussions that weren't even mentioned. When you show me me posting about games are all about the opposing QB you'd have a point but until then stick to the topic please. Is this thread not about Dak? If you want it to be about something else start that thread.

I also never claimed I had it all figured out but I see you love making up strawmans.

 

[Philmonroe]

So you're saying Dak can't improve, basically, that he's as good as he's going to get?

He hasn't improved with things that have been a problem before he got to the league. Whats the chances that they get drastically better now?