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I'm using this game as an example of what it takes to compete with the best of what the NFL has to offer to compete for a SB appearance.

If those of you who watched that contest and were inclined to dutifully admit the wide disparity of our performance to theirs, I applaud you.
 

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Lol zeke is a freak and the only reason this team will win a championship

Oline Zeke dez Witten a decent defense perfect situation his rookie minimal pressure his situation was ideal. Add the pressure of media and Tony Romo name still lingering around also pressure of fans to win yeah he busted like a rusty pipe

Receivers were either over the hill or horrid. Coaching was horrid. Witten retired and Dez cant find a job. LOL

Oline was top notch and Zeke was amazing. So he and two things perfect and two things horrid. And if you throw in the Defense that was average at best. So the claim that he had everything perfect around him is total and complete BS.

Now the best thing he had going for him, the Oline is also gone. And posters like you wonder why he has regressed. LOL

As if nothing changed in the Atlanta game. LOL
 

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My point is pretty simple Dak has sucked like the entire offense. That 3 seconds to pass article is BS. To blame one guy is beyond stupid and shows a complete lack of knowledge of football and the QB position.

Did you play in the NFL or something? Because it seems everyone is completely wrong but you.

So let me know what makes Dak an All American, perennial pro bowler under the right circumstances?

Because we are all wrong, and so are the professional analysts.

So I want to hear it straight from a former NFL QB like yourself.
 

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I'm using this game as an example of what it takes to compete with the best of what the NFL has to offer to compete for a SB appearance.

If those of you who watched that contest and were inclined to dutifully admit the wide disparity of our performance to theirs, I applaud you.

I'm a Dak supporter, but after seeing those Goff throws, man. We need a new QB.

Mahomes. Goff. Wentz. Allen. Darnold.

These kids have cannons, and I don't want to give up on Dak but what the heck man. Talk me off this, doubt anyone will.
 

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465 and the highest qb rating , 5 TD's. probably scheming and best offensive line in the nfl.. with right scheming you don't even have to be a good passer.
 

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How many years did Dak have Jason Garrett as his play-caller? I’ll tell you ZERO.. how many seasons was Dak not allowed in game planning when Garrett was OC? Zero.. are you going to sit here and say that Romo walked into a rushing attack like Dak did, when Garrett couldn’t run to save his life?

Are you going to sit here and say Andre Gurode who couldn’t even call the plays as Center, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Marco Rivera are equivalent to the All Pro Line that Dak walked into and that too, the majority of those guys playing at minimum 3 years together, Coaches by arguably one of the greatest OL coaches in history in Callahan? Three of these guys mentioned above that Romo played with allowed 60 sacks one year when Flozell went down during the Parcells era. You will never find Dak playing with guys that awful on this roster.

You can deny it all you want but Linehan as an OC is still light years better than the Garrett..

Your comparisons are garbage..

Dak, with Garrett as OC and the joke of an OL, what you are seeing right now with Dak is a performance this last stretch of football would be even worse... Garrett was last in the league in play action usage for years upto the point he was demoted and Linehan has called more play acton for Dak in half a season than Garrett probably called in two years.

Dak had 1 great year of o line just as Romo did.
Zeke being out a third of the season and having Chaz Green on the o line which led to dak getting sacked 6 times already isn't an excuse for his play. Dak being sacked 10 times this year 3 games in isn't an excuse for his play, but it is for Romo?

All I hear is excuse after excuse after excuse for Romo and I hear all of the other cowboys get downgraded to prop him up. I thought Romo was the offensive genius who really called plays, so why does he need Linehan? Romo had a year of linehan and he went 12 and 4. Why didn't Romo win the superbowl with that super o line only a year removed from callahan and was BETTER than the one Dak walked into because it had Ron Leary? Romo didn't have Travis Frederick and Tyron Smith before we got Zack Martin? Callahan was actually coaching that O line, so why didn't Romo do better than 8 and 8. Please tell me how Romo was carrying Demarco Murray, prime Jason Witten, prime Dez Bryant, Martellus Bennett, Felix Jones

Dak had a year of Linehan and went 13 and 3. Would have been 14 and 2 if we would have taken that Philly game seriously. We were only a point or three away from winning those Giant games.

Tell me why Scotty Boy, who is this super amazing coordinator, couldn't win a game with Mark Sanchez, Brandon Weeden, Matt Cassell, or Kellen Moore as starters. Kellen Moore is his protege. Mark Sanchez went to the conference championship game on a jets team thad had to beat both the colts and patriots
 

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Did you play in the NFL or something? Because it seems everyone is completely wrong but you.

So let me know what makes Dak an All American, perennial pro bowler under the right circumstances?

Because we are all wrong, and so are the professional analysts.

So I want to hear it straight from a former NFL QB like yourself.

Actually I am completely right. Everyone on offense including Dak sucks. Yet here you sit claiming that only Dak sucks and its all his fault. LOL

But if you want to hear straight from a former HOF QB, here you go:

“I think Dak certainly can play better,” Aikman said. “There have been opportunities for him in some games and he’s missed those opportunities. He’s talked about it. He has been pressing a little bit. The offensive line has not protected him as well as they have in previous years. There have been things down the field and the protection has not held up. And then at times receivers have had a hard time shaking one-on-one coverage. I think it’s a lot of things. I would not say hey if Dak was better they would be doing so much better. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s a collection of everything that is going on to where they have not been able to get on the same page.”

What was that you said about everybody but me? Really its just a handful of Romo cry babies that don't get it.
 

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Well after watching tonights game I'm convinced more than ever the league is fixed...the political push to make the NFL relevant in LA is complete BS. If you as a fan can't see it...then enjoy the new NFL. Myself as a hardcore fan for the last 40 years...am about to turn off the tube for good. It's fake football @ it's worst. I don't care how many points were scored tonight...the agenda is pure garbage for the unintellectual fan.:rolleyes:
 

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ESPN already with the one sided hyperbole. Yeah, Goff had a phenomenal game. But the BSPNers are saying “shredded” and that the Vikings vaunted defense has “lost it’s identity”, yet not a word about the Vikings’ high output. Cousins had 422 yards, 4 TDS, and a 117 rating against Donald’s tough guys, but that’s underplayed. Why? My guess is La La Land is more drama, glory and $$.
 

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I'm a Dak supporter, but after seeing those Goff throws, man. We need a new QB.

Mahomes. Goff. Wentz. Allen. Darnold.

These kids have cannons, and I don't want to give up on Dak but what the heck man. Talk me off this, doubt anyone will.

The problems that are haunting the Cowboys at this point in time are too numerous to pinpoint on any one thing. The management and the leadership as a whole are woefully wanting, to say the least. Everything from the FO on down needs to be revamped before any real hope can be validated. Admittedly, it's a sad commentary but one that should rightfully be faced head-on.
 

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Honestly, if we got a new coach and he wanted a new QB, I'm for it, but in no way am I burning a high pick with Garrett and Linehan. In fact, if we don't make the playoffs this year, can Garrett and Linehan and bring in another coach. See what he does with Dak for a year. If Dak sucks again, draft a qb... it would be the perfect time since that's when Dak's rookie contract would expire.
 

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Actually I am completely right. Everyone on offense including Dak sucks. Yet here you sit claiming that only Dak sucks and its all his fault. LOL

But if you want to hear straight from a former HOF QB, here you go:

“I think Dak certainly can play better,” Aikman said. “There have been opportunities for him in some games and he’s missed those opportunities. He’s talked about it. He has been pressing a little bit. The offensive line has not protected him as well as they have in previous years. There have been things down the field and the protection has not held up. And then at times receivers have had a hard time shaking one-on-one coverage. I think it’s a lot of things. I would not say hey if Dak was better they would be doing so much better. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s a collection of everything that is going on to where they have not been able to get on the same page.”

What was that you said about everybody buy me? Really its just a handful of Romo cry babies that don't get it.

I never said the offense doesn't have issues. What I have said though is Dak sucks. Dak can't do anything right now.

Can you tell me Brady, Brees, Rodgers couldn't make anything happen right now?

Before you say, those guys have long careers, better coaching, and all that crap...

I also said in another thread, we are the most valuable franchise. We have an amazing history, and are known as America's team. So why should we as fans have to settle for this crap, and not complain?

I said in another thread Tyron was on his way out. He is heading down hill fast. I have said our TEs are not good.

But, I have also watched coaches film clips where there is still NO excuse for Dak throwing for under 200 yards. That is a total bunch of crap right there.
 

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Dak had 1 great year of o line just as Romo did.
Zeke being out a third of the season and having Chaz Green on the o line which led to dak getting sacked 6 times already isn't an excuse for his play. Dak being sacked 10 times this year 3 games in isn't an excuse for his play, but it is for Romo?

All I hear is excuse after excuse after excuse for Romo and I hear all of the other cowboys get downgraded to prop him up. I thought Romo was the offensive genius who really called plays, so why does he need Linehan? Romo had a year of linehan and he went 12 and 4. Why didn't Romo win the superbowl with that super o line only a year removed from callahan and was BETTER than the one Dak walked into because it had Ron Leary? Romo didn't have Travis Frederick and Tyron Smith before we got Zack Martin? Callahan was actually coaching that O line, so why didn't Romo do better than 8 and 8. Please tell me how Romo was carrying Demarco Murray, prime Jason Witten, prime Dez Bryant, Martellus Bennett, Felix Jones

Dak had a year of Linehan and went 13 and 3. Would have been 14 and 2 if we would have taken that Philly game seriously. We were only a point or three away from winning those Giant games.

You are just throwing out names and hoping they stick. It’s Nonsense.

ROMO didn’t need Linehan, Romo needed Garrett out of his way. Romo wasn’t even allowed in game planning meetings when Garrett was OC and playcaller. That was forced by Jerry from on top when Romo got the new contract. That’s when even Wade Wilson said they would start seeing Romo’s input on offense and guess what, that’s when they started running the ball and drafting guys like Frederick for Romo, while Garrett thought they were going to draft Sharif Floyd.

That 13-3 season Dak had was when Free, Smith, Frederick, Leary all played together a minimum of theee years and Martin as well, who played with all of them for two. That is in no way comparable to the turnstyle Romo had. They also played one of the weakest schedules in the league and Dak looked like turd against the only legitimate defenses he played in the Vikings and Giants.

Whenever Zeke ran it was because Linehan called run. And when teams adjusted and Dak was given more responsibility, he looked like trash and the plays were dumbed down for him. And now that they have taken away Dak’s first read in Beasley, he looks straight garbage and Linehan can’t do anything about it.

So now Dak is in year 3 with Linehan and looks worse and worse every year and your going to sit here and tell me he’s look better under Garrett when Linehan even cut down on the 5-7 step drop for Dak, because he’s terrible at it and that’s was basically the bread and butter in Garrett’s Coryell.

Dak has never seen the trash that Romo did.. Teams played deep cover 2 against Romo and had no respect for the run when Garrett was an OC here. Ever defense is sitting on Dak and playing close to the line, because they aren’t in any way scared of him and they respect the run more than Dak’s arm.

Even when Romo came back against the Eagles, they dropped back after seeing his first throw, totally respecting his arm, while Dak without Zeke, they just came after him and Dak was like a typical deer in the headlights throwing wobblers that should have been picked off. That’s how much you know when you bring up the Eagles game.. Dak was absolute trash that game, looking like he does now regularly giving a glimpse of his future suckage..

For you to sit here and compare the two is a joke.

Dak got sacked 32 times last year and Romo saw higher than that regularly. And that’s what you Dak homers call as bad a line as Romo had.. Dak set records of futility that Dallas never saw in those conditions including going ten quarters without scoring, not being able to score against the third string Eagles defense and record pick 6s returned for touchdowns. Dak has had more time to hold the ball this year than pretty much any QB this season.
 
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I never said the offense doesn't have issues. What I have said though is Dak sucks. Dak can't do anything right now.

Can you tell me Brady, Brees, Rodgers couldn't make anything happen right now?

Before you say, those guys have long careers, better coaching, and all that crap...

I also said in another thread, we are the most valuable franchise. We have an amazing history, and are known as America's team. So why should we as fans have to settle for this crap, and not complain?

I said in another thread Tyron was on his way out. He is heading down hill fast. I have said our TEs are not good.

But, I have also watched coaches film clips where there is still NO excuse for Dak throwing for under 200 yards. That is a total bunch of crap right there.

Take off the Dak hatred goggles for once and educate yourself a little bit buddy so that you understand the dynamics of everything that is happening here. Now Dak may turn out NOT to be the guy, but until these other issues are fixed we may never know. One HAS to wonder how he was so good as a rookie and is sooo bad now. And the next guy will have the same problems no matter how good he is. This is a GREAT article, please read it. Here is just a little taste:

A horrifying percentage of the Cowboys’ pass plays look like a variation of the same route combination. Three or four receivers, all of whom start in isolation on the outside, run to certain points downfield and turn around. That’s it. Sometimes their depths are staggered. Sometimes they’re not. There are no mesh designs. There are no rub routes. There are no bunch concepts. Occasionally, receivers will cross paths or run complementary routes, but just as often, they won’t. The Cowboys’ staff has done next to nothing to scheme their pass catchers open, so they’re left trying to create separation on their own—and considering the overall lack of receiving talent on this roster, that’s a challenge, even against a decimated secondary like Seattle’s.

Continue: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ffense-dak-prescott-jason-garrett-jerry-jones
 
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