What Happened To Build Through Draft?

[Big_D]

Cowboys always make the right decisions. Always. That's why they get paid and we do this for fun.

The track record from this front office is pretty amazing! I don't see how anyone can question their decisions? They've been spot on.

 

[Big_D]

Special teams draft incoming.

They're overdue cause now their stacked everywhere else!! Need a war daddy on STs.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You can build through the draft and you can acquire via FA or trade.

MANY said that.

And MANY lambasted the FO for not doing more to bring in other players...but NOW when they finally do, we have posters that want to bad on other posters that disagreed with it.

And frankly when you trade a draft pick for a player you are building through the draft with the idea that you are gambling the player you are getting is worth more than the possible player you can get.


Here is a crazy wild idea...be happy the FO finally seen it the way many did back at that time did instead of trying to call out posters who seen it otherwise.

Also...I know that in this day and age everybody thinks you have to have a black or white opinion on something and it can never change otherwise it needs called out...how about the idea that someone can change their minds for the better.

Hell...if Spags can do it, anyone can and nobody on here changing their mind or whiplashing their opinion is as funny as when Spags does it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Special teams draft incoming.

Based on what exactly?

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah I don't want Josh Doctson either or someone of that caliber.

What? Do you want to Ben successful? Don’t sound like part of the process.

 

[HungryLion]

As much as I don’t like giving up a 1st round pick.

There are draft picks beyond the first round.

Teams that do a good job can routinely find starting caliber players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

So giving the #1 pick up for Cooper doesn’t stop the cowboys from building through the draft and mean they won’t draft any good players this upcoming year.

We have guys starting on the team right now and playing well, who weren’t first rounders.

 

[Idgit]

I reject your premise here, @Beast_from_East. The posters who say ‘build through the draft” and the ones who like the Cooper trade aren’t necessarily the same people. Just because you hear two opposing arguments it doesn’t mean they’re coming from the same place.

I don’t like the trade, for the record. And I believe teams are built on personnel and that that primarily happens through the draft. I don’t like paying in-season premiums like we just coughed up. But at the end of the day, it’s most important that you hit on the guys you bring in more than most teams do. It matters a lot less where the players are sourced.

 

[conner01]

I wouldn’t have gave a first but I also don’t think that changes the idea of building through the draft
It’s not like we signed a bunch of expensive free agents
It’s one move
I see the logic of trading a first rnd pick for a proven first rnd young player
I’m just not convinced he is truly a first rnd talent
But we shall see. If he can be what he’s capable of being it will be worth the pick if we can get the ball to him

 

[Jake]

I love how the homers spent the whole offseason defending this front office not doing anything because “good teams build through the draft”.

Now all of a sudden these same posters are in and out of multiple threads saying “this is how teams get better, by acquiring talent through trades”.

LMAO.......so which is it homers, building through the draft or trading away high picks for talent? Or does it even matter, y’all just cheer for the laundry no matter what?

I'd say good teams do both.

You can't build a team entirely through trades and free agents because of the cap, but you can add a part here or there to fill a hole. But if you're not drafting well along with it you're going nowhere.

The Cowboys made an attempt to fill a hole. Whether it works, or matters at all given other flaws, remains to be seen.

 

[CouchCoach]

Name the last team to go to the SB with an entirely drafted team. What was the last year the Patriots didn't use trades to improve their team? Has their been a year under Belichick that he had an entirely drafted team?

 

[Chrispierce]

They are thinking that he is better than any 1st round WR. And WR is what we planned on getting in the first round. I know some of the fans or a lot of the fans wanted us to get a QB. But the FO is riding with Dak.

Planned on? In this draft class? Then again....that would be a Dallas thing to do.

 

[dckid]

I keep wondering what the fan reaction would be if the Eagles got Cooper for a first. I have a feeling it would be, see they're actually doing something at the trade deadline to improve

Just analyze what you said there.. You are right I would not criticize if the Eagles did it... they are the SB champs, they have an explosive offense.
First of all if anything they would try to get a Bell, or Mcoy, they don't need a WR. I would commend them for getting Bell for a first round pick

Why cant we be honest with our selves, we have serious talent flaws, this team is not built to win in 2018. You cant run 50 gut 12 times a game, and have a QB who is too scared to pull the trigger on a pass up the seam. We are not a pass happy offense.
The Eagles used the Philly special in the SB on 4th down with a backup QB. JG won't go for it on 4th down in an overtime game with less than 3 minutes remaining.
We are playing checkers while the league is playing chess. We have a losing culture that will not succeed, what we should have done during the bye week is fire JG.
Turn over the apple cart and let the players know if you dont execute your job is on the line. Flip the script, change the culture.

 

[Dre11]

I love how the homers spent the whole offseason defending this front office not doing anything because “good teams build through the draft”.

Now all of a sudden these same posters are in and out of multiple threads saying “this is how teams get better, by acquiring talent through trades”.

LMAO.......so which is it homers, building through the draft or trading away high picks for talent? Or does it even matter, y’all just cheer for the laundry no matter what?

You can do both, if they felt they were going to draft a wr in the 1st, as they were possibly going to last draft, then this is a no brainier. You pick your spots. You have to do both, I don't remember anyone saying you exclusively build through the draft. Another exaggeration?

 

[Roadtrip635]

You cannot build a successful team entirely through the draft. The rookie contracts and cap make pretty much impossible, you would need to hit on almost all of your draft picks every year, not just 2 or 3. You start losing players in FA or retirements. A good team should build it's core through the draft, but be able to sign impactful or useful FAs and/or make trades with other teams to acquire additional players. If a team cannot sign useful FAs or make trades, they will be in perpetual building mode, you cannot draft players faster than you start losing them.

 

[CouchCoach]

Planned on? In this draft class? Then again....that would be a Dallas thing to do.

I don't think there's much question that they were going after a #1WR in the draft or FA and not many show up in FA.

And it's not just about a #1WR but they cannot run the offense without one. In 14 and 16 when the run game was working, they had a bona fide #1WR and TE and until yesterday had neither.

I think this is the result of a gross exaggeration of the evaluation of talent at the WR and TE positions because Beasley is the only one worthy of the term "starter" and Hurns and Williams turned out to be duds. But then both those players were used to being 2' with 1's on board.

Or, this is a gross exaggeration of the talent at QB and they're removing all of the excuses in their minds. Cooper is a better route runner than Dez so we will see what happens when he does get open.

 

[OmerV]

I love how the homers spent the whole offseason defending this front office not doing anything because “good teams build through the draft”.

Now all of a sudden these same posters are in and out of multiple threads saying “this is how teams get better, by acquiring talent through trades”.

LMAO.......so which is it homers, building through the draft or trading away high picks for talent? Or does it even matter, y’all just cheer for the laundry no matter what?

It seems most posters are pretty iffy about giving up the first rounder, and I think it's far from a given that those who are all in on the trade are the same ones that talked about building through draft in the past. There may (or may not) be some, but I don't think it's widespread like you suggest. I also question whether there were ever posters who claimed you build only through the draft without any trades or free agents to supplement.

 

[foofighters]

I love how the homers spent the whole offseason defending this front office not doing anything because “good teams build through the draft”.

Now all of a sudden these same posters are in and out of multiple threads saying “this is how teams get better, by acquiring talent through trades”.

LMAO.......so which is it homers, building through the draft or trading away high picks for talent? Or does it even matter, y’all just cheer for the laundry no matter what?

What's worse are the guys that jump on the forums just so they can, HA!!!! TOLD YOU WERE WRONG!!"

 

[John813]

We can/will still build through the draft.
Losing the first hurts, draft wise, but still can nab a starter/role players next year depending on how it goes down.

We gave up one pick, and didn't Ricky Williams all the draft picks.

 

[Ranching]

Cowboys always make the right decisions. Always. That's why they get paid and we do this for fun.

And that's why posters like the OP amd the rest of us are still here. It's like broke back mountain around here, we're all telling Jerry, I can't quit you, man!!!

 

[Chrispierce]

I don't think there's much question that they were going after a #1WR in the draft or FA and not many show up in FA.

And it's not just about a #1WR but they cannot run the offense without one. In 14 and 16 when the run game was working, they had a bona fide #1WR and TE and until yesterday had neither.

I think this is the result of a gross exaggeration of the evaluation of talent at the WR and TE positions because Beasley is the only one worthy of the term "starter" and Hurns and Williams turned out to be duds. But then both those players were used to being 2' with 1's on board.

Or, this is a gross exaggeration of the talent at QB and they're removing all of the excuses in their minds. Cooper is a better route runner than Dez so we will see what happens when he does get open.

Going after what #1 in the draft though? I think they knew there wasn’t a clear #1 in the upcoming draft,and pulled a SOS move to try and save a sinking ship. This offense is dysfunctional and they need to wake up to the fact it’s beyond just adding some WR now and everything’s better. But we’re going all in to win the division. Ohhh brother we’re going in alright.