Question for the Dak Detractors

[Brax]

It's because the hate is coming from the still upset Romoholics. They hate Dak!

Why why why do you have to bring Romo into every QB topic post, your man crush has to stop.

 

[Denim Chicken]

So I'm in the camp of letting Dak play out 2019 and sell out for a top prospect in 2020 (hopefully with a new staff).

However, what this means is likely 2-4 more years of non-competition and that's if you hit on your prospect and are able to keep a good team around the QB. If you whiff? Oh buddy, we're in it for a while.

 

[blueblood70]

The intention is for this not to be another typical Dak thread. This is for the contingent fans that are ready to move on from Prescott as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Instead of debating Dak’s merits (or lack thereof) again, let’s operate under the supposition that we’re moving on, as that is the cry from so many.

So, the question is how do you do so and who is the target. Obviously the two options that exist are free agency and the draft.

2019 Free agents QBs: ................ 2019 probable Draft QBs:

Tyrod Taylor ........................ Justin Herbert, Oregon.
Josh McCown ........................ Drew Lock, Missouri.
Teddy Bridgewater ........................ Will Grier, West Virginia.
Ryan Fitzpatrick ........................ Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State.
Robert Griffin III ........................ Ryan Finley, NC State.
Derek Anderson ........................ Clayton Thorson, Northwestern.
Geno Smith ........................ Jarrett Stidham, Auburn.
Brock Osweiler ........................ Tyree Jackson, Buffalo.
Matt Barkley
Tom Savage
Taylor Heinicke
Brett Hundley
Trevor Siemian


Obviously some of the Draft picks will be out of reach without our #1 pick. Additionally, you can pretty much guarantee you’re not going to win a championship with a rookie. It’s an investment that takes time.

On the FA front, there may be a few QBs that are available with a trade. Possible Carr, maybe Winston.

So what’s the plan ladies & gentlemen?

hebert said he might wait till 2020 so thats a weak qb class imo..no draft picks for us at qb..bridgewater likely stays in NO unless he gets a starting QB offer..why leave to back up Dak..get real if you or any others think Daks not starting 2019 with an extension..

now for backup to push Dak, be there for injury insurance...go get RG3 maybe Hundley someone similar to Dak so the offense doesnt stall..however hard to know who to get if we dont know who the OC, qb and HC might be..this is way premature..right now I see the same 3 QBs staying unless the NEW OC decides he needs a different kind of backup or developmental guy..

 

[Eanwen]

Only read the OP. God those qbs are trash. I trust some of those guys to make more plays but turn the ball over more than Dak. I don't know if there are any good qbs available in the second round next year or not but we may be better off getting a great TE.

 

[Philmonroe]

YAY Im a groupe...uhh whatever that is??? Sure hope it's like the Tony Romo slobber gang groupie wagon tho!! And I quoted YOUR post because it was so outstandingly made, what with all that knowledge of Coop being a Dez average and all after THREE games....

Yay you're a groupie. Don't know about the Romo slobber gang. Slobbering seems more up your alley. Knowledge that anyone watching the games could see and check the stats groupie. It was 4 games also groupie

 

[aikemirv]

As a Dak detractor here is what I would do.

1) No extension for Dak. He plays 2019 under his current deal.
2) I draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd round - Finley, maybe a Grier (if they fall as both might get overvalued and end up in Rd 1). The kid from Duke is another raw kid that might be there in the 3rd round.
3) I investigate what it could cost for Bridgewater. No other FA makes sense.
4) I bring in a legit OC that can work with a QB like Dak. Linehan and Moore get crap canned.

I am basically carpet bombing the QB position this offseason, if I can.

I agree, but I am not a huge fan of Bridgewater. I don't really think any more highly of him than I do Dak. I have not seen him play a ton but the impression I do get is that he throws a lot of lollipops.

 

[Mobinvans]

All i know is we arent going anywhere with Dak unless we got all pros at every position

 

[Gator88]

Bring in Tim Tebow. He was a winner in college (won multiple titles), winner in the NFL (7-4 as a starter and led the team to a playoff victory over the top defense where he passed for over 300 yards), and he has maybe the best intangibles in the league. He also would be an improvement in terms of running the ball.

Now that we have those arguments out of the way, the actual best thing to do would be to trade as much as possible for the 2020 draft, ride Dak until his rookie contract ends and then replace him with the best rookie qb in 2020 that you can.

 

[Sydla]

It's ok that you don't get it. I've seen fans here that are clearly still bitter. Some even claim Romo is a better QB than Aikman. You either are unaware or don't want to admit it. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it's a reality. So, you can call it stupid and dumb, whatever. You're simply wrong and don't care that you are.

You've seen "some" fans. Not all, or even most, fans. I've never once suggested there aren't some fans who have an extreme position on Dak. That wasn't the point.

The poster in question often says things where he puts all those who take a different opinion than him on Dak into one large group of bitter Romo lovers or Dak "haters". That's what is dumb and stupid - his extreme position. Painting all or most Dak detractors as some sort of weird cult of Romo followers, which the poster does over and over.

Don't follow him down that rabbit hole. You're a better poster than that.

PS - Yes, people that say Dak is a horrid QB and one of the worst QBs they have ever seen are absolutely acting stupid as well.

 

[Brax]

Fair question.

I think we should one of the following two things:

1) Let Dak play out his rookie contract. He'll likely be bent out of shape about that, or;

2) Sign him to an incentive laden contract with performance bonuses that allow him to make money but also provide the Cowboys an "out" early in the contract that's not financially damaging.

This would allow the franchise to wait an additional year for a stronger crop of QBs to come out as well as allow them to regain a 1st round chip (2020).

hopefully 1 or 2 is what will happens, give Dak time (balance of this year and a full season next) to prove himself I would prefer option 1 for cost but option 2 done right will work.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's always funny to me that people just immediately go to the "hate" criticism when posters aren't fawning over a player.

Why can't it be simply be that Dak is a middling QB with a limited ceiling?

 

[G2]

You've seen "some" fans. Not all, or even most, fans. I've never once suggested there aren't some fans who have an extreme position on Dak. That wasn't the point.

The poster in question often says things where he puts all those who take a different opinion than him on Dak into one large group of bitter Romo lovers or Dak "haters". That's what is dumb and stupid - his extreme position. Painting all or most Dak detractors as some sort of weird cult of Romo followers, which the poster does over and over.

Don't follow him down that rabbit hole. You're a better poster than that.

PS - Yes, people that say Dak is a horrid QB and one of the worst QBs they have ever seen are absolutely acting stupid as well.

I agree, both extremes are ridiculous.

 

[Brax]

So I'm in the camp of letting Dak play out 2019 and sell out for a top prospect in 2020 (hopefully with a new staff).

However, what this means is likely 2-4 more years of non-competition and that's if you hit on your prospect and are able to keep a good team around the QB. If you whiff? Oh buddy, we're in it for a while.

Let him play out and see if he makes great strides and somehow corrects his inconsistent accuracy, 4 years should be enough to tell the tale, if it turns out he doesn't have it your team is most likely set back another 2 - 3 years which is better that 5 or 6. A serviceable guy is better that QB hell.

 

[TwoDeep3]

ROFL... sooo, the great Romo rears his head once again. You apparently haven't watched the YT of the great Tony tossing INT's like they were marshmellows at a camp fire...as for any of the schulbs mentioned by the OP, I wish they would go grab one, any one, doesn't matter, go get one of these 1 game legends and hell give him the starting Qb spot... yeah I so hope we do that next season....

I very much remember the picks Romo threw.

@Pittsaburgh into triple coverage to Witten with TO wide open and uncovered
@Jets into double coverage for a pick six
Denver in a shootout, threw a pick into essentially triple coverage with Murray singled up and separating
@washington lobs a ball over a defenders head to the flat and a linebacker picks it off. That cost the team the East.
@Lions, three picks to Bobby Carpenter and one for a pick six

There were many more, but these are stand out because the great unwashed here argued vehemently that it was the defense that lost those games, rushing to the rescue of Romo.

But the point I was making is - and you should find the thread where i posted the complete game against the Saints in 2009 and watch Romo when he was absolutely on - the point is that Dak has some skills. He needs coaching and scheming to keep him as much out of trouble as possible.

Your axe to grind is evident. I too was suspect of Romo even up to the end as having flaws. His Farve-like ability to toss the ball into danger was a subject I spoke about a great deal here. But i also see Romo was a pretty damn good football player and QB. If you can't see both sides of Romo then the term hater - which I absolutely despise - is most likely targeted at your unwavering opinion. Just FYI.

 

[Nightman]

And why did they trade him?

Because they were turning over the franchise to their first round QB in Darnold.

And what did they get ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Teddy and 6th for a 3rd.... not much for a QB

 

[Gator88]

It's ok that you don't get it. I've seen fans here that are clearly still bitter. Some even claim Romo is a better QB than Aikman. You either are unaware or don't want to admit it. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it's a reality. So, you can call it stupid and dumb, whatever. You're simply wrong and don't care that you are.

There is nothing wrong with claiming Romo is a better QB than Aikman. The only dumb claim is to act like one is definitively better than the other.

 

[nightrain]

The Cowboys have at the very least a good back up in Dak. They should try to get him extended with a sensible deal. The Saints will retain Bridgewater. Maybe Geno Smith worth pursuing for competition? Draft a middle to late round long shot. I don't see much on the depth chart after dak.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Fitzpatrick is a better passer than Prescott by a large margin.

Good lord......Fitz is a walking interception machine and he throws them in bunches. Buc fans were begging him to keep Winston on the bench and he started throwing tons of interceptions. How in the world is he an upgrade over Dak.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fitzpatrick

 

[Bleu Star]

If Bridgewater didn't cost a ton I would bring him in to compete with Dak.

That being said I think Dak is a franchise QB and needs more weapons. Funny guys like Wentz only play bad because they don't have weapons and then the team gets him a number 1 receiver and things change. Goff is another example with coaching being the best change for him and drafting a guy like Kupp.

Not sure why Dak isn't afforded the same as other QBs and it's just him as being the problem.

Wince

 

[Sydla]

And what did they get ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Teddy and 6th for a 3rd.... not much for a QB

If I could sign Bridgewater, have him compete with Dak and then flip him for a 3rd round pick, that would a pretty big win for this franchise.

The Jets have a young guy who they think will be their franchise QB and then they were able to turn their FA signed QB and a 6th round pick into a 3rd round pick?

That's pretty damn good.