PFT: Gregory was not lined up in the neutral zone

[DogFace]

Let's do this together little guy.

You go fetch all the game threads and I'll sift through them.

Fetch!

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-16

Here’s the one where we discussed it. I explained myself just as I said. If you can show me where I said what you said I did I’ll say I was wrong and that you’re not a liar. If not then you’re wrong again. No big deal for you.

Waiting....

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-16

Here’s the one where we discussed it. I explained myself just as I said. If you can show me where I said what you said I did I’ll say I was wrong and that you’re not a liar. If not then you’re wrong again. No big deal for you.

Waiting....

Let's just short-circuit this and expose you right now.

Do you believe the refs are biased against the Cowboys are not?

Yes or No?

 

[Runwildboys]

He had been close to it all night. But, no, his hand is not across the point where the ball is.

Plus, don't miss the fact that the Center takes the ball and moves it slightly forward when he grabs it.

No, he did not line up in the neutral zone. Horrific call.

His hand doesn't need to be on or across the line. Any part of his body counts.

 

[DogFace]

Let's just short-circuit this and expose you right now.

Do you believe the refs are biased against the Cowboys are not?

Yes or No?

I believe it’s very possible and worth a discussion. As I said https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-8
You really don’t read the posts do you?

I’ve never said anything about a “clear effort” or any effort by the league. Personal bias is different than a CONSPIRACY. Look it up or just take my word for it since you’re wrong sometimes.

I really made it clear there. You are a liar or mistaken. Again.

I, again, accept your apology. You could help it with more effort. IMO. So try harder champ!!

Still waiting for your explanation of why the flag was 3 seconds after the snap.

 

[glimmerman]

Call could have went either way.

 

[MarcusRock]

I think the officiating was fairly even, with several bad calls or missed calls on both sides.

That's my point in all the "we wuz robbed" threads. Dallas isn't special in missed calls. This just isn't a case where one was missed.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I believe it’s very possible and worth a discussion. As I said https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-8
You really don’t read the posts do you?

I’ve never said anything about a “clear effort” or any effort by the league. Personal bias is different than a CONSPIRACY. Look it up or just take my word for it since you’re wrong sometimes.

No, in absence of any actual evidence proving personal bias (which you admit you can't) it's not worthy of discussion.

Why don't we discuss the spaghetti monster living on your roof? Evidence? No, I don't have any, but I think it's worth discussing.

You wanting to skirt being called a conspiracist is just like a someone claiming a red sign, shaped like an octagon with the letters S, T, O, and P is not a stop sign. You believe refs are making biased calls against the Cowboys routinely (as demonstrated ANYTIME the topic comes up).

 

[DogFace]

No, in absence of any actual evidence proving personal bias (which you admit you can't) it's not worthy of discussion.

Why don't we discuss the spaghetti monster living on your roof? Evidence? No, I don't have any, but I think it's worth discussing.

You wanting to skirt being called a conspiracist is just like a someone claiming a red sign, shaped like an octagon with the letters S, T, O, and P is not a stop sign. You believe refs are making biased calls against the Cowboys routinely (as demonstrated ANYTIME the topic comes up).

I will continue to discuss reasonable possibilities.

At this time I will not require you to participate. That may change if you don’t learn from your mistakes.


Sit quietly Learn and be better!!

 

[MarcusRock]

This picture doesn't give a good view. Only way to see and make sure is to be standing on the sideline and looking right down the los. Angles can make it seem he is farther than he is.

LOL. This is the picture used by a media story claiming that Gregory was not in the neutral zone. If you're saying it's bad evidence of that narrative then you're criticizing the media, as am I for posting evidence that shows the opposite of what their story claims.

But I will humor you on the angle. I took this photo from that tweet linked in the story and cropped it in a perfect rectangle in MS Word to zoom in to focus on Gregory and the ball and imported it to MS Paint to save as a JPEG so I can post here. Everyone's screen will be different, but on my screen, if you measure from the top left edge of the photo to the 50 yard line it is right about 2.25 inches with a tape measure. If you do the same with the bottom left edge of the photo, it is clearly greater than 2.25 inches by about 2 ticks (mm?) on my tape measure. In other words, this picture is at an angle, but is at an angle that FAVORS Gregory (taken from the left side of the 50). An angle from the right side would make Gregory look like he's more into the neutral zone than he actually is. So in other words, Gregory is actually MORE into the neutral zone than even this picture shows.

Let me know what you think but don't just take my word for it. Try it yourself and see if you get the same results. Hell, anybody try it and see if you get different results. I expect a "camera tricks" CONSPIRACY! to emerge but maybe I'll be surprised.

 

[MarcusRock]

Same thing I said. He is the only Cowboys player that far past the line. It's nothing but a bone head play by him.

Clear as day. Another poster said if he's looking right at the ball, how can he allow himself to line up that close to it unless he doesn't think that his forehead, hair and helmet extend above his eyes. Is that going to draw the Line Judge's attention? Probably.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I will continue to discuss reasonable possibilities.

At this time I will not require you to participate. That may change if you don’t learn from your mistakes.


Sit quietly Learn and be better!!

You'll continue to peddle your stupid pet theories.

The forum suffers for it.

"Wuh, well, tell me how I'm supposed to prove a personal bias?"

 

[MarcusRock]

Even the blue line. Randy's head is in the neutral zone. They count that, right? Still, they let the left tackle line up a bit too far back.

The blue line proves his head was in the neutral zone and was beyond the ball even if the blue line wasn't the official neutral zone. That's why the other side wants people to ignore that line because it proves this story is false. The media doesn't care because they got their clicks and resulting emotional "outrage." The LT is a different story entirely but if it is illegal then that's another call they missed which they did a lot for both teams.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

LOL. This is the picture used by a media story claiming that Gregory was not in the neutral zone. If you're saying it's bad evidence of that narrative then you're criticizing the media, as am I for posting evidence that shows the opposite of what their story claims.

But I will humor you on the angle. I took this photo from that tweet linked in the story and cropped it in a perfect rectangle in MS Word to zoom in to focus on Gregory and the ball and imported it to MS Paint to save as a JPEG so I can post here. Everyone's screen will be different, but on my screen, if you measure from the top left edge of the photo to the 50 yard line it is right about 2.25 inches with a tape measure. If you do the same with the bottom left edge of the photo, it is clearly greater than 2.25 inches by about 2 ticks (mm?) on my tape measure. In other words, this picture is at an angle, but is at an angle that FAVORS Gregory (taken from the left side of the 50). An angle from the right side would make Gregory look like he's more into the neutral zone than he actually is. So in other words, Gregory is actually MORE into the neutral zone than even this picture shows.

Let me know what you think but don't just take my word for it. Try it yourself and see if you get the same results. Hell, anybody try it and see if you get different results. I expect a "camera tricks" CONSPIRACY! to emerge but maybe I'll be surprised.

You just went waaay above what these types of intellects can digest, lol.

"Ooo, sOh now u tHink mAcr0soft haz sumthingG to with it? Whose tha c0nzpirahsist now???"

 

[MarcusRock]

So am I wrong in assuming that the blue line is put up on the screen while the ball is lying on the field, yet untouched by the center? And doesn't that blue line designate exactly where the ball was at the time, proving that the center pulled the ball back a few inches (as they nearly always do), and isn't Gregory's head almost fully within that blue line? I don't see how it can be any clearer without shooting a bullet down the edge of that line and seeing if Gregory's head explodes.

I think you're absolutely right. As I said, the blue line proves this story is false so those who rabidly want to believe the story have to try to discredit or remove the blue line to make the story true or at least create haze around it to say it's not definite.

 

[aikemirv]

While I agree that his head was in the neutral zone, I think the more agregious penalty is the Tackle not lined up on the line of scrimmage so it was a bad call and one that is not normally called.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

LOL. This is the picture used by a media story claiming that Gregory was not in the neutral zone. If you're saying it's bad evidence of that narrative then you're criticizing the media, as am I for posting evidence that shows the opposite of what their story claims.

But I will humor you on the angle. I took this photo from that tweet linked in the story and cropped it in a perfect rectangle in MS Word to zoom in to focus on Gregory and the ball and imported it to MS Paint to save as a JPEG so I can post here. Everyone's screen will be different, but on my screen, if you measure from the top left edge of the photo to the 50 yard line it is right about 2.25 inches with a tape measure. If you do the same with the bottom left edge of the photo, it is clearly greater than 2.25 inches by about 2 ticks (mm?) on my tape measure. In other words, this picture is at an angle, but is at an angle that FAVORS Gregory (taken from the left side of the 50). An angle from the right side would make Gregory look like he's more into the neutral zone than he actually is. So in other words, Gregory is actually MORE into the neutral zone than even this picture shows.

Let me know what you think but don't just take my word for it. Try it yourself and see if you get the same results. Hell, anybody try it and see if you get different results. I expect a "camera tricks" CONSPIRACY! to emerge but maybe I'll be surprised.

He hasn't lined up in the neutral zone. You seem to be going crazy and yet still get it wrong. Just proves that even with the evidence people still can't see.

 

[Runwildboys]

While I agree that his head was in the neutral zone, I think the more agregious penalty is the Tackle not lined up on the line of scrimmage so it was a bad call and one that is not normally called.

Regardless of anything else that could or should have been called, he was guilty.

 

[MarcusRock]

Do

Don't look at the blue or white line, look at the ball.. I'm sure that's what Gregory was looking at...

But the blue line shows you where the ball was and where Gregory's helmet was in relation to the ball (i.e., beyond the ball). Otherwise, what else do you use to determine whether he was in the neutral zone or not if you're using this picture? The Line Judge noticed that he was well in front of his teammates and probably then zeroed in on where he was in relation to the ball and threw the flag. This proves he was right. The crew as a whole was bad in that game but don't we all want correct calls when they're made?

 

[MarcusRock]

He hasn't lined up in the neutral zone. You seem to be going crazy and yet still get it wrong. Just proves that even with the evidence people still can't see.

I might say the same thing right after I got exposed and ran from a challenge, but I'd probably rethink it and just say "I was mistaken."

Not even you realize just how true your last sentence is. Emotion does that though.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Guess it's when the ball was snapped cause this one proves again he wasn't lined up in the neutral zone