Next OC. Mike McCarthy or Kliff Kingsbury?

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am nor so sure...... the NFL is about talent and execution and about play calling not necessarily play design....everyone runs the same route trees..... Kelly was supposed to be this college genius who was going to revolutionize the NFL and he is out of the league in 4 years......the college spread offenses don't translate to NFL that easily
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RPO came from college. Eagles basically used it to get to the superbowl. So Im not sure if your correct that college play designs don't work in the pros.

As for our coaching staff, play calling is an issue. Coaches are clueless on how to run the plays needed for the skillset of our players. Stubborness of our coaches to adapt is whats killing us. We are a talented team which underperforms due to lack of coaches not knowing how to use the talent we have.
 
Alexander said:
So help me out.

The Rams are interested. Why would they be if he were so bad?
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In being an offensive assistant/consultant, not offensive coordinator. If he's so great and going to change the world, why not oc?

The topic of this thread is next oc.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am nor so sure...... the NFL is about talent and execution and about play calling not necessarily play design....everyone runs the same route trees..... Kelly was supposed to be this college genius who was going to revolutionize the NFL and he is out of the league in 4 years......the college spread offenses don't translate to NFL that easily
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Kelly's major downfall was from the personality perspective.

That was the one thing that all the talk in his last year. He didn't connect with players. Yet the Eagles inherited his strength team and some of his assistants and won a title. And after pairing them with Pederson who also got the college tie-in.

What a coincidence.
 
Elusive6thRing said:
This. I'm in Lubbock, and while I do have some respect for Kliff's offensive mind it sort of gets overrated too. No evidence what he does would work in the NFL and he got most of his ideas from former Texas Tech coach (and his coach when he was the QB at Texas Tech) Mike Leach.
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Technically, Kingsbury is a disciple of Mike Leach who is a disciple of Hal Mumme, who is generally credited for designing the Air Raid. Both Mumme (as a rival) and Leach (as a student at BYU) both admit they got a lot of their concepts from LaVell Edwards from BYU. Edwards was known for putting up huge passing numbers and coached quarterbacks like Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson, Steve Young, and Ty Detmer, as well as winning a national championship in 1984 with Robbie Bosco. Andy Reid also got his start playing for and coaching under LaVell Edwards.

Art Briles and Tony Franklin are also Leach disciples.

It's one of the more interesting coaching trees out there. Bill Parcels and Bill Walsh also have interesting coaching trees.

As far as the Cowboys go, I would very much like it if the offense added an innovative offensive coach. My top two choices would be in fact from the Leach coaching tree, Kingsbury or Kendel Briles.
 
Manwiththeplan said:
Do you really think Mike McCarthy would come and work FOR Jason Garrett? What's his record against Garrett?
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I think the list that is beating the door down to work with Jason Garrett is pretty short and probably only people with ties to the organization.

Sorry.
 
Elusive6thRing said:
In being an offensive assistant/consultant, not offensive coordinator. If he's so great and going to change the world, why not oc?

The topic of this thread is next oc.
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So you would decline him as a replacement for Linehan?

Really?
 
Elusive6thRing said:
Trying to imitate other teams usually doesn't work. We don't have the roster to be the Rams or the Saints or the Chiefs. What good would air raid do with this roster? You think Dak will turn into Mahomes?

I really can't think of any college coach that has moved to the NFL and suceeded lately. Chip Kelly failed, Pete Carroll is defensive minded. Maybe you can think of some examples I can't. People would be disappointed with Kliff he's no innovative mind.
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Again, another person who knows nothing about Kingsbury.

Yes, he played in the true Air Raid (Under Mike Leach), but over the years, he’s learned from Belichick and others, and he now runs his own version and concepts.

He values running the ball a whole lot more than the true Air Raid, and with this OL and Zeke, he’d run the ball a lot.

It’s in the passing game where he would shine, because he’s absolutely an innovative mind.

Don’t believe me? Ask freaking Pat Mahomes and freaking Andy Reid and almost any other coach who’s studied Kliffs concepts.

Pro and collegiate organizations don’t line up to hire a guy who’s “no innovative mind.”
 
Mc Carthy was fired because he couldn’t win with an elite QB
Garrett is not being replaced
KK would be a nice choice as an OC and I don’t think he’s getting HC offers in the NFL after failing as HC in college
 
KingintheNorth said:
Technically, Kingsbury is a disciple of Mike Leach who is a disciple of Hal Mumme, who is generally credited for designing the Air Raid. Both Mumme (as a rival) and Leach (as a student at BYU) both admit they got a lot of their concepts from LaVell Edwards from BYU. Edwards was known for putting up huge passing numbers and coached quarterbacks like Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson, Steve Young, and Ty Detmer, as well as winning a national championship in 1984 with Robbie Bosco. Andy Reid also got his start playing for and coaching under LaVell Edwards.

Art Briles and Tony Franklin are also Leach disciples.

It's one of the more interesting coaching trees out there. Bill Parcels and Bill Walsh also have interesting coaching trees.

As far as the Cowboys go, I would very much like it if the offense added an innovative offensive coach. My top two choices would be in fact from the Leach coaching tree, Kingsbury or Kendel Briles.
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Kingsbury is not an innovative coach.
Cowboyz88 said:
Again, another person who knows nothing about Kingsbury.

Yes, he played in the true Air Raid (Under Mike Leach), but over the years, he’s learned from Belichick and others, and he now runs his own version and concepts.

He values running the ball a whole lot more than the true Air Raid, and with this OL and Zeke, he’d run the ball a lot.

It’s in the passing game where he would shine, because he’s absolutely an innovative mind.

Don’t believe me? Ask freaking Pat Mahomes and freaking Andy Reid and almost any other coach who’s studied Kliffs concepts.

Pro and collegiate organizations don’t line up to hire a guy who’s “no innovative mind.”
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LOL so the Rams trying to make him a consultant (not a OC, big difference) and USC wanting to make him an OC are "teams lining up" I haven't seen any reports of anything else.

USC's head coach is only there because there's a huge scandal at the school where the school might have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars and he's just looking for something different to try to save his job.

I've never been a fan of his his whole time at Tech for the record.
 
I'd take either one in a heart-beat.
McCarthy will get a H.C. gig...so Kingsbury.
But I wouldn't hate McCarthy as O.C.
atleast he'd have a QB who's coachable and not a whiney back-stabber.
 
Alexander said:
So you have teams like the Patriots who have been consistent, then now the Rams and Chiefs import spread concepts and are successful.

Payton himself says he steals from college and pro opponents every week.

Imitation is fearful when you do something dumb, like think that Romo can be like Brady. Or that Dak Prescott is like Goff.

It all comes down to the brains involved in the thought process.

If you think there is a lot of original thought in the NFL coaching fraternity, I hate to break the news to you that there isn't.
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College QB’s who couldnt make an NFL team have had success with these types of offense
That to me is the key, complicated for a defense easy for a QB
 
WillieBeamen said:
I dont know whats stopping Jerry from making that move.

Better offense = SB contender this year/better evaluation of Dak
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Are you serious?

Not. Jason. Friendly.

Garrett has no ties with Kingsbury and would have to adjust to his concepts coming in.

It would set up a stab in the back situation that only Garrett could appreciate since he was installed before Phillips knew what was going on.
 
Alexander said:
Kelly's major downfall was from the personality perspective.

That was the one thing that all the talk in his last year. He didn't connect with players. Yet the Eagles inherited his strength team and some of his assistants and won a title. And after pairing them with Pederson who also got the college tie-in.

What a coincidence.
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Jelly put his defenses in bad situation by trying to go fast all the time, he wasn’t very good at personnel and his personality clashed with those above him
 
Elusive6thRing said:
Kingsbury is not an innovative coach.
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He is.

See how it's cool to say things without providing any evidence or opinion?

I think anyone who has vast experience running spread or Air Raid offenses in college would help improve a predictable and stale Cowboys offense. Kingsbury fits that bill in my opinion.
 
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