Twitter: Cavanaugh: Penalties Against Cowboys are Hogwash

[ShortRound]

Sorry misread... Cavanaugh said Hogwash and Jerry agreed.

 

[Pants]

well JJ agreeing will certainly raise the bar for the refs to make sure that there are extra ones called now

 

[Future]

I think that the holds called on Tyron are 100% evidence that the league conspires against the Cowboys.

I have resisted that forever, but there's just no way the same bs calls can be made against him over and over again, and the Cowboys' opponents never get the same call.

 

[Jipper]

yes, we have had some very crappy penalties so far this year. cant remember the officals being so bad.

 

[Kaiser]

Its half and half, Tyron is probably about 50% healthy and has held people. But that makes him a magnet for flags because the refs start focusing on him instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt like they did before.

When a bear is healthy, animals run. When its hurt, they circle.

 

[MarcusRock]

Sorry misread... Cavanaugh said Hogwash and Jerry agreed.

This one has me confused. Are they saying that when a player is considered good the refs conclude that he must be cheating to be so good? That seems backwards. If you're a scrub player and you neutralize an All-Pro consistently, then wouldn't it be logical for someone to conclude that the scrub must be doing so by cheating because the other player is elite (if you're a conspiracy loon, that is)?

 

[MarcusRock]

I think that the holds called on Tyron are 100% evidence that the league conspires against the Cowboys.

Can you show a detailed video replay of a hold called against Tyron and break down why it is not a hold on any one of the calls by the rules in place?

 

[Kaiser]

I have resisted that forever, but there's just no way the same bs calls can be made against him over and over again, and the Cowboys' opponents never get the same call.

To me the issue isn't 2018 Cowboys vs 2018 Opponents, its 2018 Opponents vs 2017 Opponents.

This year you have Dallas playing backups and playing through injuries, Adam Redmond is actually our 5th string OG if you count Marcus Martin and Parker Ehlinger going down. When that happens you get more holding and you get more scrutiny from the refs.

If you watch the replay, Dallas gets a ton of pressure and you don't see blatant holds by opponent OL very often. Last year you would see blatant holding over and over again, often at critical points in games, and it was never called. Until the ink was dry on Roger Goodell's contract, then magically the calls started up again.

 

[jazzcat22]

This one has me confused. Are they saying that when a player is considered good the refs conclude that he must be cheating to be so good? That seems backwards. If you're a scrub player and you neutralize an All-Pro consistently, then wouldn't it be logical for someone to conclude that the scrub must be doing so by cheating because the other player is elite (if you're a conspiracy loon, that is)?

Actually both work against us, but never for the other teams.
Been proven over and over time and again, throughout the past 10 years or more.

We got a few our way against the Saints and Eagles, but they got some their way also. So at least those emend out for once. They usually do not.
Like where were the OL holding calls against the Colts that were not called. For many other games as well.

 

[Future]

Can you show a detailed video replay of a hold called against Tyron and break down why it is not a hold on any one of the calls by the rules in place?

The third one is old, but same thing. None of these are holding by the standards that NFL referees call them. Hands grabbing shoulder pads within the frame is not the standard for a hold. You can call that on every play, probably on more than one OL.

But beyond the calls themselves - the problem is that they are not called both ways. They've been very ticky tack against the Cowboys, and not against other teams.

Some more that are nonsense calls in the same way



I'll never forget the day that the refs threw a flag and called holding on a tackle for holding Ware, and then waved it off because Ware "ran through the hold." This is the same thing. THe Cowboys - Tyron in particular - are being penalized for being stronger than the guys in front of them.

 

[MarcusRock]

Actually both work against us, but never for the other teams.
Been proven over and over time and again, throughout the past 10 years or more.

We got a few our way against the Saints and Eagles, but they got some their way also. So at least those emend out for once. They usually do not.
Like where were the OL holding calls against the Colts that were not called. For many other games as well.

This is the thing. Nothing is ever "proven." It's suspicion taken straight to gospel truth with nothing to back it up. Throw in a few supposition stats and that just serves as confirmation bias. Why can't it ever be that officials are too few to adequately monitor all 11 matchups?

 

[MarcusRock]

The third one is old, but same thing. None of these are holding by the standards that NFL referees call them. Hands grabbing shoulder pads within the frame is not the standard for a hold. You can call that on every play, probably on more than one OL.

But beyond the calls themselves - the problem is that they are not called both ways. They've been very ticky tack against the Cowboys, and not against other teams.

Some more that are nonsense calls in the same way



I'll never forget the day that the refs threw a flag and called holding on a tackle for holding Ware, and then waved it off because Ware "ran through the hold." This is the same thing. THe Cowboys - Tyron in particular - are being penalized for being stronger than the guys in front of them.

Again, I asked YOU to break down why it wasn't a hold, not some random internet dude saying it wasn't. This is what's never done by those claiming Cowboys victim status.

But anyways, on the first one, I agree it's not a hold on Tyron but could be on Martin in the background (would need to see a reverse angle as to how his man fell) so maybe it was a miscall on the number by the official? The second one is crappy detail but it looks as if Tyron grabbed the OL's collar as he reached towards the runner going past them. That's what they call "restriction" and should absolutely be a hold by the rules. Easy to call since Zeke ran right next to them. Not even going to debate an old one. This thread's about this year.

 

[jazzcat22]

This is the thing. Nothing is ever "proven." It's suspicion taken straight to gospel truth with nothing to back it up. Throw in a few supposition stats and that just serves as confirmation bias. Why can't it ever be that officials are too few to adequately monitor all 11 matchups?

That is your opinion. But some is so obvious.
Like the wide open face mask with a picture of the ref looking right at it. From the Steelers game in 2016 on Beasley. No call, could have cost us the game.
But yet the official, I think the same one, seen the face mask on Witten in the middle of a lot of players.

More refs would not have meant a thing there.

but I do agree, they need about 3 more refs out there.
When they moved the back judge, I think that is what he is called. From where the LB's are, to behind the LOS, it seems to have became worse from that point as to missing a lot of calls.

 

[Future]

Again, I asked YOU to break down why it wasn't a hold, not some random internet dude saying it wasn't. This is what's never done by those claiming Cowboys victim status.

But anyways, on the first one, I agree it's not a hold on Tyron but could be on Martin in the background (would need to see a reverse angle as to how his man fell) so maybe it was a miscall on the number by the official? The second one is crappy detail but it looks as if Tyron grabbed the OL's collar as he reached towards the runner going past them. That's what they call "restriction" and should absolutely be a hold by the rules. Easy to call since Zeke ran right next to them. Not even going to debate an old one. This thread's about this year.

I just did break them down. On all of them, hands are within the frame of the defender and on the shoulder pads. It's very simple.

I don't necessarily had those being called holds, in a vacuum, but they NEVER go the other way. I'd need to look it up, specifically, but how do those against Dallas get called, but their opponents went like 10 straight games without a single holding call two years in a row?

This thread is not about this year, because the holding nonsense goes back to last year.

 

[sbark]

I think that the holds called on Tyron are 100% evidence that the league conspires against the Cowboys.

I have resisted that forever, but there's just no way the same bs calls can be made against him over and over again, and the Cowboys' opponents never get the same call.

For sure, at least call the holds on la'el....a lot fewer people would complain

 

[MarcusRock]

That is your opinion. But some is so obvious.
Like the wide open face mask with a picture of the ref looking right at it. From the Steelers game in 2016 on Beasley. No call, could have cost us the game.
But yet the official, I think the same one, seen the face mask on Witten in the middle of a lot of players.

More refs would not have meant a thing there.

but I do agree, they need about 3 more refs out there.
When they moved the back judge, I think that is what he is called. From where the LB's are, to behind the LOS, it seems to have became worse from that point as to missing a lot of calls.

No one's ever 100% Even on these boards people don't remember what they just saw and bias colors what actually DID happen. This is why I produce video every chance I get. Even then some are convinced they saw what they saw and knew what the official was thinking when he saw it too. So officials surely aren't going to get everything right either. That's why they have conferences if more than 1 saw the same play.

 

[Cowboys22]

The third one on Tyron is technically holding. He grabs his jersey and slings him down by it. The other two are totallly bogus. That’s fine in a vacuum but when you combine it with the rarity that other teams are called for holding against the acowboys and the blatant ones we see go uncalled each week, it’s too much to take and chalk it up to just plain bad officiating. My eyes tell me clear as day that they are certain crews that use penalties to keep games close for ratings. I do not believe the league sends out mandates for which team should win. Too many people would have to be involved and they would all go to jail eventually because it would be impossible to conceal forever. Someone would eventually slip up or cut a deal for immunity, sing like a bird, and then get a $10 million book deal. I do believe however that the officiating is bad on purpose because they are trying to keep certain games close so fans keep watching. It is the only thing that explains some of the inexplicable calls I see every week all around the league. Even on replay reviews.

 

[aria]

I think that the holds called on Tyron are 100% evidence that the league conspires against the Cowboys.

I have resisted that forever, but there's just no way the same bs calls can be made against him over and over again, and the Cowboys' opponents never get the same call.

So why not use different players to make it not so obvious?

 

[Future]

So why not use different players to make it not so obvious?

Use worse players so that they don't call nonsense penalties? What?

 

[MarcusRock]

I just did break them down. On all of them, hands are within the frame of the defender and on the shoulder pads. It's very simple.

I don't necessarily had those being called holds, in a vacuum, but they NEVER go the other way. I'd need to look it up, specifically, but how do those against Dallas get called, but their opponents went like 10 straight games without a single holding call two years in a row?

This thread is not about this year, because the holding nonsense goes back to last year.

You can have your hands within another guy's frame and still "restrict" them. Tyron's hold on the Washington player is a great example. You can't pull a guy's collar when he's trying to break away from you to tackle a runner.

And that "no holds called against opponents" story is just drilled down stats to boost a "we wuz robbed" narrative. If you look at overall penalties, there's little to no variance at all. Heck, a few weeks back we were the least penalized team in the entire league. The press knows they'll get clicks if they can drum up a faux conspiracy by mining for aberrations in drilled-down stats because emotional knee jerks will never investigate and just harp on this new "truth" as "proof." Works every time so why stop?