Opinion: Stephen Jones comments on Dak is red flag about overpaying him on his next contract

[mardwin]

I've never seen Dak's "IT" factor but perhaps they are using the same evaluation approach as they have used with Jason Garret. You know he's the best HC in the NFL during the week excepts on game day.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, Marino was a loser.

Well, if he never won a Super Bowl, then according to the OP... he can’t be a winner.

Never mind that he always gave his team a chance to go to the big dance with all of his insignificant regular season winning.

Having honed my sarcasm skills... I will say that Dak is no Marino.

Still, regular season wins most certainly do matter. As do game winning drives in a season of 16 games.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think everyone has resigned themselves to the fact that he will be extended. We can only pray that whatever deal they come up with, it is one that is easily escaped from. Having your team president babbling about QB winz is definitely not a good sign though...

Dak will be extended.

But it has to be structured in a way so that that team can get out of it in 2 or 3 years without killing the cap. Even if that means giving him more money up front.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

What is the argument ? 32 wins in 3 years? 14 comeback wins in 3 years?

I see its a team thing, as long as it explains away Dak not accomplishing something. But the moment when it comes to praising Dak it is a Dak thing and not a Team thing anymore. Would we even be in the playoffs this year without the Cooper trade?

 

[Blake]

I've never seen Dak's "IT" factor but perhaps they are using the same evaluation approach as they have used with Jason Garret. You know he's the best HC in the NFL during the week excepts on game day.

Hard to take the 'eye test' of someone seriously who looks like Ray Charles wearing shades that are illegally tinted in all 50 states.

 

[AsthmaField]

All winners that put your team in contention EVERY year?

I agree.

EDIT: my bad... I thought you said wieners.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Dak will be extended.

But it has to be structured in a way so that that team can get out of it in 2 or 3 years without killing the cap. Even if that means giving him more money up front.

Well hopefully so. And hopefully it is incentive heavy, making it possible for Dak to get his payday if he performs, but if he doesn't then he gets paid what he is worth. But the way both Jones boys are talking, they're giving Dak's side an edge when it comes to contract negotiation.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Dak will be extended.

But it has to be structured in a way so that that team can get out of it in 2 or 3 years without killing the cap. Even if that means giving him more money up front.

I have no problem with that... it's not my money. If we're stuck with him, I don't mind Dak getting a bit of back pay. I just don't want to see another Flacco situation that you can see coming a mile away, where we're stuck with an under performing guy because of an ill-advised contract.

 

[Ken]

Huh? Manning led the league in td passes in his 3rd year, Tom Brady had won 2 superbowls by his 3rd year starting, Aikman won a superbowl his 4th year, Brees put up 27tds and only 7 ints in his 3rd year, Favre put up 33 tds and 14 ints in his 3rd year, Marino led the league in td passes in his 3rd year....it seems most elite qbs were proving to be elite passers by their 3rd year. Dak hasnt

What i mean is they weren't disecting defenses cereberally the way you see these veteran qbs do. Not that they didn't put up numbers or win super bowls. Heck, Dak could win the super bowl this year for instance but he has a chance to take his game to another level in year 5 or 6.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He isn't a "winner" unless he wins a Super Bowl. Don't overreact to a meaningless regular season win Stephen.

What Jones is saying here is what is total common sense. Its what logical fans have been telling the Dakettes for a while. The kid is only in his 3rd year so expect him to play like those guys every week is laughable.

As far as his future its very very bright.

 

[DallasInDC]

He isn't a "winner" unless he wins a Super Bowl. Don't overreact to a meaningless regular season win Stephen.

If you read that quote as SJ pointing out a red flag, i think you read it wrong. That was SJ explaining why they have a lot of faith in Dak...and with time will be an elite QB (my interpretation of SJs comment not my opinion on whether Dak will or will not be elite).

 

[CowboyRoy]

Just give the kid a QB coach, OC and HC.

And an Oline

 

[buybuydandavis]

Did *any* of those guys *ever* have a season where they routinely missed wide open receivers as much as Dak has this year?

I hate these kinds of cherry picking comparisons.

Yeah, the handful of great ones had to grow into their greatness. The great sea of meh players also needed to grow into greatness, but failed to do so.

I think Dak could be a lot more than he is, and even what he is could be used more effectively. He flashes potential. But league history is filled with guys who flashed potential that was never realized. And most of them didn't routinely miss wide open receivers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.

Survivorship bias can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because failures are ignored, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance.​

 

[DFWJC]

After the Eagles game he blew up a bunch of y'alls narratives but had some TOs so that became the new line. Now he went for nearly four hundred. 4 TDs. Come from behind win late. No Zeke. No OL. If ya'll had a brain you'd take the clue and shut up but then you wouldn't be you. Dude out there embarrassing the Zone trolls

Glad to see Dak put up some numbers and pad his season stats.
Im not in the group that bashes him.

But be honest now; this was by far the most meaningless game of the season and the Giants defense was a total sieve.
Glad we won anyway. But I dont even remotely think the game told us anything new

 

[CowboyRoy]

The guys he referenced were great passers that’s the difference. If you get Dak today on a regular basis you get 30 mill. If you get erratic Dak you get 18-21 mill. That sounds like motivation to get more consistent. I also don’t think he gets an extension in the offseason unless the team wins the super bowl.

LOL...……..Your ability to analyze a simple quote is as horrid as your ability to analyze a young QB obviously.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Did *any* of those guys *ever* have a season where they routinely missed wide open receivers as much as Dak has this year?

I hate these kinds of cherry picking comparisons.

Yeah, the handful of great ones had to grow into their greatness. The great sea of meh players also needed to grow into greatness, but failed to do so.

I think Dak could be a lot more than he is, and even what he is could be used more effectively. He flashes potential. But league history is filled with guys who flashed potential that was never realized. And most of them didn't routinely miss wide open receivers.

Its funny how the only way they can discount Dak is to compare him to the greats of the game. LOL

It was the same with Romo. By the end of the 10 years the ONLY thing they could say about Romo is we would never win a SB with him. It was all they had left. LOL

 

[CWR]

He is reacting to his 32 wins in 3 years

BOOOOOOOM!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Did *any* of those guys *ever* have a season where they routinely missed wide open receivers as much as Dak has this year?

I hate these kinds of cherry picking comparisons.

Yeah, the handful of great ones had to grow into their greatness. The great sea of meh players also needed to grow into greatness, but failed to do so.

I think Dak could be a lot more than he is, and even what he is could be used more effectively. He flashes potential. But league history is filled with guys who flashed potential that was never realized. And most of them didn't routinely miss wide open receivers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.

Survivorship bias can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because failures are ignored, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance.​

All QB's routinely miss receivers all the time in every game.

Hence the completion percentage.

 

[Cowboyz88]

People get riled over being called Dak "Hater," but the lunacy displayed in this thread - by the usual suspects - clearly cements their legacy as true haters.

I'd understand if we were out of the playoffs, but geez.

 

[CWR]

I've never seen Dak's "IT" factor but perhaps they are using the same evaluation approach as they have used with Jason Garret. You know he's the best HC in the NFL during the week excepts on game day.

Seriously???