Scouting the Rams

[ejthedj]

Nope that stats prove he is a top ten LB this year. You're wrong and have been from the beginning for saying he is trash and only hand picking games to support your case. Kids today...smart phones have taken away your ability to comprehend fact from opinion.

Gotta love someone who hasn't watched the games, who can't provide a single source, claiming other people don't know how to comprehend facts. Sit back, gramps, cause you're about to get pwned. I picked a game I haven't watched and which, according to tackles, was one of Littleton's best. It's against San Fran, and the Rams won 39-10. Alfed Morris was the main running back. Here's all the running plays. I can't figure out how to post screen shots, but I will post a link with all of them


1st & 10, 12:59 1st Quarter: Littleton takes a bad step to the left, then gets blocked at the second level and pushed back to seven yards from the line. 2 yard run.

1st & 10 12:00... Running play. Littleton actually attacks the line (this is rare) and the Dline makes the stop for no gain.

1st & 1o, 10:52, ball on 49. Littleton gets blocked three yards from the line and pushed back to five yards. D-line makes play for a short gain

1st and 10, 6:43, ball on 25, Littleton blitzes off left side, and they run away from him for 15 yards,

1 &10 at 40, This is shuffle pass. But it's on Littelton's guy, and after the pass is caught. Littleton gets blasted in the open field by a lineman, like he always does. Gain of 23

2nd & 10 at Rams 37. They run to the opposite side from L, 12 yard gain. He's not involved in the play.

1st &10 at own 25, 1:13 to go. Run to the right. Littleton actually slips the lineman at the second level, but doesn't pursue hard. Three yard gain. Then fumble caused and recovered by Donald.

1st and 10 at 25, 2Q 10:00 left. Littleton takes three false steps backwards and then makes the tackle after a six yard gain despite no one blocking him.

2nd and 4 at 31. Littleton gets blasted at second level, five yards off the line and pushed back. Gain of six right at him.

1st & 10, Littleton gets blocked but no one else does, gain of 1. Two passes then a punt

1st & 10 at Rams 18. They have a little drive going after going down 22-0 at this point. Jet sweep gains 7 yards. Littleton "makes the takle" by pushing the guy out of bounds.

2nd & 3. Hand off and Littleton fills the hole but gets run over by the runningback, turns into gain of 2.

3rd & 1. Hand off. Littleton gets blocked. Gain of 3 and first down.

1st and goal at 5. Donald shoots gap for TFL.

1st and 10 at own 25, 3Q, 8;00 left. Littleton gets blasted at the second level, and RB runs to where he was for a gain of 5. Tackle made by someone else.

1st & 10 at own 25, 6:00 left in 3Q, Littelton goes backward to avoid a block, which means when he does get around it, the running back blows right by him in the hole for a 15 yard gain.

1st and 10 at 40. Littleton gets blocked and blasted out of play at second level. 9 yard gain.

2nd and 1. Donald makes a nice play, but they get the first. Littleton standing around doing nothing.

2nd and 10 at Rams 28. Play goes away for a three yard gain. Littleton non-factor.

2nd and 3, Ball on Own 30, 4q 11:00 left. Littleton gets blasted on second level five yards off the line. Run for first down.

1st &10, Ball at Rams 38, 5:00 left. Littleton gets pancaked at second level. Gain of 5.

2nd at 10 at Rams 15. Draw play. Donald stuffs it for a loss. Littleton in pass coverage.


Every game is like this. He made one play in the run game, and even on that play, he couldn't bring the running back down until giving up almost three yards even though he was unblocked and hit him in the hole. Most of the time, the linemen get to him and he either gets pushed back or tries to run around them and takes them out of the play.

This was against a bad team. With a backup QB and Alfred Morris as the runner.

 

[Silver N Blue]

So you're going to try to ignore everything I did bring yet again? The facts and stats that show the Rams ranking 28th against the run and links from their own reporters showing how Littleton is a big reason why? Cover you own eyes and ears, but you don't get to cover everyone else's. Continue embarrassing yourself and showing your abundant ignorance.

again....poor fella...my statement has nothing to do with the rams total run defense...never did and never will...you can't bring a team stat to the table when i am only referring to one player...go read my first statement which is only about littleton not being trash...he is a top ten lb this year and the stats back it up...while the rams may have a poor run defense it really doesn't reflect on his play...which is why i brought "his" stats to the table....his stats which are top ten and across the board better than the two studs here...again...my statement originally and throughout has only been about littleton's level of play....not the entire rams defensive unit....i mean read what you are spewing...you are implying Kuechly sucks with with the panthers overrall defensive ranking...hardly true we all know Kuechly is a stud..like Lee was the stud here the past few years when his defense sucked as a whole group...so...again....my original statement has only been about one player and what this one player brings to the table and he shouldnt be overlooked and hardly should be called trash...

 

[KalEl]

Gotta love someone who hasn't watched the games, who can't provide a single source, claiming other people don't know how to comprehend facts. Sir back, gramps, cause you're about to get pwned. I picked a game I haven't watched and which, according to tackles, was one of Littleton's best. It's against San Fran, and the Rams won 31-10. Alfed Morris was the main running back. Here's all the running plays. I can't figure out how to post screen shots, but I will post a link with all of them


1st & 10, 12:59 1st Quarter: Littleton takes a bad step to the left, then gets blocked at the second level and pushed back to seven yards from the line. 2 yard run.

1st & 10 12:00... Running play. Littleton actually attacks the line (this is rare) and the Dline makes the stop for no gain.

1st & 1o, 10:52, ball on 49. Littleton gets blocked three yards from the line and pushed back to five yards. D-line makes play for a short gain

1st and 10, 6:43, ball on 25, Littleton blitzes off left side, and they run away from him for 15 yards,

1 &10 at 40, This is shuffle pass. But it's on Littelton's guy, and after the pass is caught. Littleton gets blasted in the open field by a lineman, like he always does. Gain of 23

2nd & 10 at Rams 37. They run to the opposite side from L, 12 yard gain. He's not involved in the play.

1st &10 at own 25, 1:13 to go. Run to the right. Littleton actually slips the lineman at the second level, but doesn't pursue hard. Three yard gain. Then fumble caused and recovered by Donald.

1st and 10 at 25, 2Q 10:00 left. Littleton takes three false steps backwards and then makes the tackle after a six yard gain despite no one blocking him.

2nd and 4 at 31. Littleton gets blasted at second level, five yards off the line and pushed back. Gain of six right at him.

1st & 10, Littleton gets blocked but no one else does, gain of 1. Two passes then a punt

1st & 10 at Rams 18. They have a little drive going after going down 22-0 at this point. Jet sweep gains 7 yards. Littleton "makes the takle" by pushing the guy out of bounds.

2nd & 3. Hand off and Littleton fills the hole but gets run over by the runningback, turns into gain of 2.

3rd & 1. Hand off. Littleton gets blocked. Gain of 3 and first down.

1st and goal at 5. Donald shoots gap for TFL.

1st and 10 at own 25, 3Q, 8;00 left. Littleton gets blasted at the second level, and RB runs to where he was for a gain of 5. Tackle made by someone else.

1st & 10 at own 25, 6:00 left in 3Q, Littelton goes backward to avoid a block, which means when he does get around it, the running back blows right by him in the hole for a 15 yard gain.

1st and 10 at 40. Littleton gets blocked and blasted out of play at second level. 9 yard gain.

2nd and 1. Donald makes a nice play, but they get the first. Littleton standing around doing nothing.

2nd and 10 at Rams 28. Play goes away for a three yard gain. Littleton non-factor.

2nd and 3, Ball on Own 30, 4q 11:00 left. Littleton gets blasted on second level five yards off the line. Run for first down.

1st &10, Ball at Rams 38, 5:00 left. Littleton gets pancaked at second level. Gain of 5.

2nd at 10 at Rams 15. Draw play. Donald stuffs it for a loss. Littleton in pass coverage.


Every game is like this. He made one play in the run game, and even on that play, he couldn't bring the running back down until giving up almost three yards even though he was unblocked and hit him in the hole. Most of the time, the linemen get to him and he either gets pushed back or tries to run around them and takes them out of the play.

This was against a bad team. With a backup QB and Alfred Morris as the runner.

You're 100% correct. Every one of his game is like this. He's only listed as a 10th in stats. No one that's actually watch him play all season would suggest he's a Top Ten linebacker in all of the NFL. Matter of fact he plays more like a DB than a ILB but one would only get that if they actually watched his games.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Dallas needs to sell out to stop the run and bring lots of blitzes to get Goff rattled. They blitzed the hell out of Wilson and it worked perfectly. I hadn't seen that much blitzing since the NO game. We rattled both Brees and Wilson. We can do it to Goff too.

Just a reminder that in the Dak comeback and near win against the hated GB team we got back in that game when Marnelli started hassling AR with the blitz just before halftime and continued thru the 3rd and into the 4th qtr. That last scoring drive with the miraculous pass by the hated AR we only rushed 4. Blitzing works. Exotic blitz packages throw QB's off their games.

Just Do it Richard ! Do it !!!!!

 

[Stash]

Hard to embarrass myself when all i did was bring factual stats to support my one and only statement about the rams lb's being trash and the table and stand up for myself against your feeble attacks which had no merit or bearing on my original statement...i have nothing to be embarrassed about.....i'm not the one going after you.

I'm not "going after you" victim. When you can't handle someone refuting your claims, the weakness is yours, not the other guy's.

I also brought "factual statements" to the table, repeatedly. You've just chosen to ignore them because they go against your narrative.

Here are the "facts" of the matter.

• Cory Littleton had a career season in 2018, and he accomplished all of the positive stats that you repeatedly showed everybody. Nobody can or has tried to refute those numbers.
• Littleton also "tailed off" later in the season, missed tackles, and was criticized as playing a key role in the Rams' struggles against the run, where they ranked 28th.

You want to see this thing as "either/or" when it is, in fact "both".

And you're attacking someone for calling a collective unit "trash" by using individual numbers for one of a group of four guys called "trash". Was the term used exaggerated? Sure. But you yourself followed up that exaggeration by claiming Littleton "blew away both guys here". You did the exact same thing you took issue with the other guy for doing.

I'm hopeful that all of this registers with you.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Gotta love someone who hasn't watched the games, who can't provide a single source, claiming other people don't know how to comprehend facts. Sir back, gramps, cause you're about to get pwned. I picked a game I haven't watched and which, according to tackles, was one of Littleton's best. It's against San Fran, and the Rams won 31-10. Alfed Morris was the main running back. Here's all the running plays. I can't figure out how to post screen shots, but I will post a link with all of them


1st & 10, 12:59 1st Quarter: Littleton takes a bad step to the left, then gets blocked at the second level and pushed back to seven yards from the line. 2 yard run.

1st & 10 12:00... Running play. Littleton actually attacks the line (this is rare) and the Dline makes the stop for no gain.

1st & 1o, 10:52, ball on 49. Littleton gets blocked three yards from the line and pushed back to five yards. D-line makes play for a short gain

1st and 10, 6:43, ball on 25, Littleton blitzes off left side, and they run away from him for 15 yards,

1 &10 at 40, This is shuffle pass. But it's on Littelton's guy, and after the pass is caught. Littleton gets blasted in the open field by a lineman, like he always does. Gain of 23

2nd & 10 at Rams 37. They run to the opposite side from L, 12 yard gain. He's not involved in the play.

1st &10 at own 25, 1:13 to go. Run to the right. Littleton actually slips the lineman at the second level, but doesn't pursue hard. Three yard gain. Then fumble caused and recovered by Donald.

1st and 10 at 25, 2Q 10:00 left. Littleton takes three false steps backwards and then makes the tackle after a six yard gain despite no one blocking him.

2nd and 4 at 31. Littleton gets blasted at second level, five yards off the line and pushed back. Gain of six right at him.

1st & 10, Littleton gets blocked but no one else does, gain of 1. Two passes then a punt

1st & 10 at Rams 18. They have a little drive going after going down 22-0 at this point. Jet sweep gains 7 yards. Littleton "makes the takle" by pushing the guy out of bounds.

2nd & 3. Hand off and Littleton fills the hole but gets run over by the runningback, turns into gain of 2.

3rd & 1. Hand off. Littleton gets blocked. Gain of 3 and first down.

1st and goal at 5. Donald shoots gap for TFL.

1st and 10 at own 25, 3Q, 8;00 left. Littleton gets blasted at the second level, and RB runs to where he was for a gain of 5. Tackle made by someone else.

1st & 10 at own 25, 6:00 left in 3Q, Littelton goes backward to avoid a block, which means when he does get around it, the running back blows right by him in the hole for a 15 yard gain.

1st and 10 at 40. Littleton gets blocked and blasted out of play at second level. 9 yard gain.

2nd and 1. Donald makes a nice play, but they get the first. Littleton standing around doing nothing.

2nd and 10 at Rams 28. Play goes away for a three yard gain. Littleton non-factor.

2nd and 3, Ball on Own 30, 4q 11:00 left. Littleton gets blasted on second level five yards off the line. Run for first down.

1st &10, Ball at Rams 38, 5:00 left. Littleton gets pancaked at second level. Gain of 5.

2nd at 10 at Rams 15. Draw play. Donald stuffs it for a loss. Littleton in pass coverage.


Every game is like this. He made one play in the run game, and even on that play, he couldn't bring the running back down until giving up almost three yards even though he was unblocked and hit him in the hole. Most of the time, the linemen get to him and he either gets pushed back or tries to run around them and takes them out of the play.

This was against a bad team. With a backup QB and Alfred Morris as the runner.

Again your picking a game which does not support your case...pick a game where he has a pick six, pick a game where he has a tackle for a loss...you lost a long time ago with this cherry picking claim he is not a good player...you can't argue stats and you sure can't put in your own biased claims of "blasted"...crazy just crazy...

 

[Stash]

again....poor fella...my statement has nothing to do with the rams total run defense...never did and never will...you can't bring a team stat to the table when i am only referring to one player...go read my first statement which is only about littleton not being trash...he is a top ten lb this year and the stats back it up...while the rams may have a poor run defense it really doesn't reflect on his play...which is why i brought "his" stats to the table....his stats which are top ten and across the board better than the two studs here...again...my statement originally and throughout has only been about littleton's level of play....not the entire rams defensive unit....i mean read what you are spewing...you are implying Kuechly sucks with with the panthers overrall defensive ranking...hardly true we all know Kuechly is a stud..like Lee was the stud here the past few years when his defense sucked as a whole group...so...again....my original statement has only been about one player and what this one player brings to the table and he shouldnt be overlooked and hardly should be called trash...

So your point was about one player in trying to refute the description of the overall group being "trash" and this contradiction continues to elude you to this point? And along the way, you yourself claimed that his stats "blow both guys here away"?

Ponder on that.

 

[ejthedj]

Maybe these facts and comments from someone who covers the Rams specifically will register?

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2018/...ms-nfl-micah-kiser-mark-barron-cory-littleton

Check out the numbers that show how bad he and the team are against the run, and the video examples included that show exactly what others are talking about. And then get back to me.

I can tell you from watching -- the two plays they isolate on Littleton are common. He's soft. Gets blasted by linemen regularly. The stats bear it out. So do the eyeballs.

 

[ejthedj]

Again your picking a game which does not support your case...pick a game where he has a pick six, pick a game where he has a tackle for a loss...you lost a long time ago with this cherry picking claim he is not a good player...you can't argue stats and you sure can't put in your own biased claims of "blasted"...crazy just crazy...

Lol, I posted plays from five games, watched eight, showed you analysts who agree. I also picked this game bc it was a bad run team, I hadn't watched it, and Littleton had ten tackles, which was one of his best games. I did the opposite of cherry picking. I'll tell you what -- you choose whatever game you want and I'll do the same thing again. I guarantee you -- it will not be good for Littleton. Dude is trash against the run. Trash is not an overstatement. He's one of the worst NFL LBers I have ever seen against the run.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I'm not "going after you" victim. When you can't handle someone refuting your claims, the weakness is yours, not the other guy's.

I also brought "factual statements" to the table, repeatedly. You've just chosen to ignore them because they go against your narrative.

Here are the "facts" of the matter.

• Cory Littleton had a career season in 2018, and he accomplished all of the positive stats that you repeatedly showed everybody. Nobody can or has tried to refute those numbers.
• Littleton also "tailed off" later in the season, missed tackles, and was criticized as playing a key role in the Rams' struggles against the run, where they ranked 28th.

You want to see this thing as "either/or" when it is, in fact "both".

And you're attacking someone for calling a collective unit "trash" by using individual numbers for one of a group of four guys called "trash". Was the term used exaggerated? Sure. But you yourself followed up that exaggeration by claiming Littleton "blew away both guys here". You did the exact same thing you took issue with the other guy for doing.

I'm hopeful that all of this registers with you.

Yeah you are attacking and continue to do so...my statement only had one line and one line only...about the LBs. Littleton to be specific..again i brought his total season stats (so no bias could be mistaken) to the table not his cherry picked bad games or what he did down the stretch in your latest claim...his entire unbiased season total stats all 17 games...you forgot to throw in his pick six which won the game in week 17 by the way in your down the stretch...so again i've done it throughout for both of you...brought one guys stats to the table for his entire season to point out he should'nt be overlooked...keep trying you will never succeed as i have and will remain true to my original statement...you two are the ones offended by the facts...i'm just standing on the solid ground which i made from the beginning...solid ground which can not or will not be diminished as they are true, factual, and forthright.

 

[Stash]

I can tell you from watching -- the two plays they isolate on Littleton are common. He's soft. Gets blasted by linemen regularly. The stats bear it out. So do the eyeballs.

I know. He's good against the pass, lousy against the run. it's true that overall the guy had a career year. It's also true that the team might be looking to upgrade due to his run-game deficiencies. But some guys can only see one side of the equation while others can, in fact, see both.

 

[Silver N Blue]

So your point was about one player in trying to refute the description of the overall group being "trash" and this contradiction continues to elude you to this point? And along the way, you yourself claimed that his stats "blow both guys here away"?

Ponder on that.

read my first statement...i believe i even used the words corey litteton is not trash and only referencing the OPs quote about rams lb being trash...i was and have been very specific about it throughout

 

[Stash]

Yeah you are attacking and continue to do so...my statement only had one line and one line only...about the LBs. Littleton to be specific..again i brought his total season stats (so no bias could be mistaken) to the table not his cherry picked bad games or what he did down the stretch in your latest claim...his entire unbiased season total stats all 17 games...you forgot to throw in his pick six which won the game in week 17 by the way in your down the stretch...so again i've done it throughout for both of you...brought one guys stats to the table for his entire season to point out he should'nt be overlooked...keep trying you will never succeed as i have and will remain true to my original statement...you two are the ones offended by the facts...i'm just standing on the solid ground which i made from the beginning...solid ground which can not or will not be diminished as they are true, factual, and forthright.

Again, pass defense stats for one guy out of four linebackers. You want to bring up how team struggles can't impact an individual's stats or a group's label? Wrong. But how about the fact that one linebacker's stats can't keep an entire unit from playing like "trash"? Your ignorance and double-standards on full display.

"true, factual, and forthright".

 

[Silver N Blue]

Lol, I posted plays from five games, watched eight, showed you analysts who agree. I also picked this game bc it was a bad run team, I hadn't watched it, and Littleton had ten tackles, which was one of his best games. I did the opposite of cherry picking. I'll tell you what -- you choose whatever game you want and I'll do the same thing again. I guarantee you -- it will not be good for Littleton. Dude is trash against the run. Trash is not an overstatement. He's one of the worst NFL LBers I have ever seen against the run.

I want all 17 games which is what this is all about in the first place...I don't care about your opinion of his play. The stats say you are wrong. So yes please give me a complete rundown of every game for Littleton and Kuechly. Players don't excel on every play and I never once claimed the kid was a stud run defender..read everything you won't find it...I never did what i did say and will continue to say is he had a top ten lb season, across the board had better numbers than the two studs here, and is not trash. He is young and this is his first season as the starter which he earned at the end of the 17 season and in preseason this year. The kid is a real talent and shouldn't be overlooked. My one and only point from the onset.

 

[Stash]

read my first statement...i believe i even used the words corey litteton is not trash and only referencing the OPs quote about rams lb being trash...i was and have been very specific about it throughout

And ignorant of the fact that he described the entire group as "trash". You singled out your friend Littleton individually, essentially trying to refute an argument that was never made, and then claiming that everyone was doing that to you.

Then I showed you personally evidence of where the people covering the Rams showed where he's a liability against the run - half of the linebacker's job - but you tried to ignore those "facts" while continuing to try to spread your own, half-story narrative. While you claimed that Littleton's numbers "blew away both guys here", something you continue to try to ignorance and distance yourself from.

Other people were and have been, and continue to be "specific" too. Again, you just choose to ignore it.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Again, pass defense stats for one guy out of four linebackers. You want to bring up how team struggles can't impact an individual's stats or a group's label? Wrong. But how about the fact that one linebacker's stats can't keep an entire unit from playing like "trash"? Your ignorance and double-standards on full display.

"true, factual, and forthright".

PD stats are apart of the season totals for all LBs which are relevant in this case to provide more proof he is a stud young player who plays all three downs as well. The same stats were provided for all to provide no bias.

 

[Silver N Blue]

And ignorant of the fact that he described the entire group as "trash". You singled out your friend Littleton individually, essentially trying to refute an argument that was never made, and then claiming that everyone was doing that to you.

Then I showed you personally evidence of where the people covering the Rams showed where he's a liability against the run - half of the linebacker's job - but you tried to ignore those "facts" while continuing to try to spread your own, half-story narrative. While you claimed that Littleton's numbers "blew away both guys here", something you continue to try to ignorance and distance yourself from.

Other people were and have been, and continue to be "specific" too. Again, you just choose to ignore it.

Last I checked littleton is apart of the LB trash statement and thus has every right to be brought out as an inaccurate statement..you brought a team stat to this...once of which has nothing to do with my statements at all and never will.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Again, pass defense stats for one guy out of four linebackers. You want to bring up how team struggles can't impact an individual's stats or a group's label? Wrong. But how about the fact that one linebacker's stats can't keep an entire unit from playing like "trash"? Your ignorance and double-standards on full display.

"true, factual, and forthright".

again with the name calling and false accusations...poor fella

 

[Stash]

PD stats are apart of the season totals for all LBs which are relevant in this case to provide more proof he is a stud young player who plays all three downs as well. The same stats were provided for all to provide no bias.

As are missed tackles and being a liability against the run. But those you try to ignore. That's certainly "bias".

 

[Stash]

Last I checked littleton is apart of the LB trash statement and thus has every right to be brought out as an inaccurate statement..you brought a team stat to this...once of which has nothing to do with my statements at all and never will.

Cherry picking again I see.

Last I checked, he referred to the overall group as trash, did he not?