Scouting the Rams

[Stash]

again with the name calling and false accusations...poor fella

What "name" were you "called" victim? Was it "kid with their cellphone"?


The double standard on display yet again ladies and gentlemen. Can dish it out fine, but cries victim when treated the same.

 

[ejthedj]

I want all 17 games which is what this is all about in the first place...I don't care about your opinion of his play. The stats say you are wrong. So yes please give me a complete rundown of every game for Littleton and Kuechly. Players don't excel on every play and I never once claimed the kid was a stud run defender..read everything you won't find it...I never did what i did say and will continue to say is he had a top ten lb season, across the board had better numbers than the two studs here, and is not trash. He is young and this is his first season as the starter which he earned at the end of the 17 season and in preseason this year. The kid is a real talent and shouldn't be overlooked. My one and only point from the onset.

The stats do not say he is good against the run. Most of his tackles are in pass defense. Look, I get that you can't watch the games... But I'm sure you will be watching this weekend. I expect your apology by the third quarter. Anyone with eyes will see it. Focus on 58. Watch him get destroyed, play after play. And when he's not getting destroyed, watch him run himself out of the play trying to avoid contact.

I assure you -- there is not a single talent evaluator in the NFL who would trade LVE or Jaylon for Littleton and a seond rounder, much less straight up. the gap is that huge. He won't be starting in the NFL two years from now. Strictly a nickle lber.

The 49ers game was one of only 5 where they didn't give up 100 yards rushing. Five games. And you have Suh, Dnald, and Brockers. With those guys, your MLB must be bad to be that bad. And he is awful against the run.

Again, cherry pick one of the other four games where they didn't give up 100. I'll watch it and show just how wrong you are, once again.

 

[KalEl]

Cherry picking again I see.

Last I checked, he referred to the overall group as trash, did he not?

He did and it was specifically in regards to the run. But for some reason that's getting ignored in this debate. I honestly can't see how anyone that actually watched any Rams game in full this season would walk away calling Littleton a top 10 LB. Mind boggling.

 

[Silver N Blue]

As are missed tackles and being a liability against the run. But those you try to ignore. That's certainly "bias".

Again bring those stats...

 

[Silver N Blue]

Cherry picking again I see.

Last I checked, he referred to the overall group as trash, did he not?

Nope just proving fact this unit is not trash and I did so admirably w/o name calling, false accusations, and irrelevant team stats to a individual stat discussion..just plain cold hard facts which were provided in black font for your reading pleasures.

 

[ejthedj]

Again bring those stats...

PFF has him with a 43.5 run grade, which ranks as the 13th worst Linebacker in the league. There are literally over a hundred linebackers rated higher.

LVE is ranked sixth. 86.1. Almost double Littleton's grade! And Jaylon? Nineteenth at 76.3

43.5 qualifies as awful on PFF's scale

 

[Silver N Blue]

The stats do not say he is good against the run. Most of his tackles are in pass defense. Look, I get that you can't watch the games... But I'm sure you will be watching this weekend. I expect your apology by the third quarter. Anyone with eyes will see it. Focus on 58. Watch him get destroyed, play after play. And when he's not getting destroyed, watch him run himself out of the play trying to avoid contact.

I assure you -- there is not a single talent evaluator in the NFL who would trade LVE or Jaylon for Littleton and a seond rounder, much less straight up. the gap is that huge. He won't be starting in the NFL two years from now. Strictly a nickle lber.

The 49ers game was one of only 5 where they didn't give up 100 yards rushing. Five games. And you have Suh, Dnald, and Brockers. With those guys, your MLB must be bad to be that bad. And he is awful against the run.

Again, cherry pick one of the other four games where they didn't give up 100. I'll watch it and show just how wrong you are, once again.

Never said he was good against the run only said and continue to say he is a top ten LB and not trash and his stats back it up. Again I bring the entire season to the discussion not the last five games or your bias opinion about his level of play. I only bring actual stats to the table...you two just don't see it and obviously never will.

 

[Stash]

He did and it was specifically in regards to the run. But for some reason that's getting ignored in this debate.

"Ignored" by the willfully ignorant, not anybody else. The pinata of this thread.

I honestly can't see how anyone that actually watched any Rams game in full this season would walk away calling Littleton a top 10 LB. Mind boggling.

Because some people only see the parts that they like. The flashy stuff. Some are capable of seeing the big picture and everything that goes into it and others simply aren't that bright.

The people that cover the team were pointing him out as a liability.

 

[ejthedj]

Never said he was good against the run only said and continue to say he is a top ten LB and not trash and his stats back it up. Again I bring the entire season to the discussion not the last five games or your bias opinion about his level of play. I only bring actual stats to the table...you two just don't see it and obviously never will.

No he's not -- he's ranked 39th total (and that's with being #10 against the pass). LVE is 4 and Jaylon is ranked 5. Again, people who actually watch the games see what I see

 

[Stash]

PFF has him with a 43.5 run grade, which ranks as the 13th worst Linebacker in the league. There are literally over a hundred linebackers rated higher.

LVE is ranked sixth. 86.1. Almost double Littleton's grade! And Jaylon? Nineteenth at 76.3

43.5 qualifies as awful on PFF's scale

Ooh! That's gotta hurt!

 

[Silver N Blue]

PFF has him with a 43.5 run grade, which ranks as the 13th worst Linebacker in the league. There are literally over a hundred linebackers rated higher.

Now this is a great stat I can respect....finally. Like I said I never claimed he was great vs the run in one statement throughout this entire banter and agree 100% he isn't the second coming to Dick Butkis vs the run. Again all i have stated is he is a top ten lb and not trash...throghout. I have not claimed anything more or anything less, i have not claimed he is good vs the run or the pass...i only brought his season stats to the table.....throughout.

 

[GMO415]

Funny how we scored the most points in the playoffs last week, but we can't score more than 25 against the lambs?????

 

[Silver N Blue]

Ooh! That's gotta hurt!

Why would it hurt? Doesnt disprove anything I have said...poor fella.

 

[Stash]

Never said he was good against the run only said and continue to say he is a top ten LB and not trash and his stats back it up. Again I bring the entire season to the discussion not the last five games or your bias opinion about his level of play. I only bring actual stats to the table...you two just don't see it and obviously never will.

Sick backpedal pal.

So you "never said he was good against the run"? Half of a linebacker's role?

But he's a "top ten LB"? Right.....

Dig that hole!

 

[ejthedj]

Now this is a great stat I can respect....finally. Like I said I never claimed he was great vs the run in one statement throughout this entire banter and agree 100% he isn't the second coming to Dick Butkis vs the run. Again all i have stated is he is a top ten lb and not trash...throghout. I have not claimed anything more or anything less, i have not claimed he is good vs the run or the pass...i only brought his season stats to the table.....throughout.

Someone who sit he thirteenth worst linebacker in the league against the run is NOT top ten. And the eyeballs confirm it. He's bad. Nickle LBer only.

 

[Stash]

Why would it hurt? Doesnt disprove anything I have said...poor fella.

Actually, it does. You just lack the sense to realize it.

Keep playing the role of forum jester. It suits you.

Hint, you're in light blue:
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[Stash]

Now this is a great stat I can respect....finally. Like I said I never claimed he was great vs the run in one statement throughout this entire banter and agree 100% he isn't the second coming to Dick Butkis vs the run. Again all i have stated is he is a top ten lb and not trash...throghout. I have not claimed anything more or anything less, i have not claimed he is good vs the run or the pass...i only brought his season stats to the table.....throughout.

With a backpedal like that you should play cornerback.

 

[Silver N Blue]

No he's not -- he's ranked 39th total (and that's with being #10 against the pass). LVE is 4 and Jaylon is ranked 5. Again, people who actually watch the games see what I see

He's ranked top ten. Again back to the original statement about tackles....
1 Darius Leonard IND OLB 163 111 52 7.0 -- 10 2 0 38 28 4 2 0
2 Blake Martinez GB ILB 144 91 53 5.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --
3 Leighton Vander Esch DAL OLB 140 102 38 0.0 -- 9 2 0 56 28 0 -- --
4 Bobby Wagner SEA MLB 138 84 54 1.0 0 12 1 1 98 98T 2 1 0
5 Anthony Hitchens KC ILB 135 81 54 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- --
6 Telvin Smith JAX OLB 134 100 34 1.0 0 4 2 1 33 33T 1 1 0
7 Mason Foster WAS ILB 131 81 50 1.0 -- 6 2 0 4 4 0 2 0
8 Luke Kuechly CAR MLB 130 93 37 2.0 -- 7 1 0 0 0 2 1 0
9 Tahir Whitehead OAK OLB 126 89 37 0.0 -- 6 1 0 0 0 1 -- --
10 Kiko Alonso MIA OLB 125 79 46 0.0 -- 9 3 0 30 15 3 1 0
10 Cory Littleton LA ILB 125 90 35 4.0 1 16 3 1 48 22 0 -- --
12 Fred Warner SF MLB 124 85 39 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 1 0
13 Antoine Bethea ARI FS 121 100 21 3.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- --
13 Tremaine Edmunds BUF MLB 121 80 41 2.0 -- 14 2 0 19 17 2 -- --
13 Jaylon Smith DAL MLB 121 82 39 4.0 0 -- -- -- -- -- 2 2 1
13 Roquan Smith CHI ILB

 

[KalEl]

"Ignored" by the willfully ignorant, not anybody else. The pinata of this thread.



Because some people only see the parts that they like. The flashy stuff. Some are capable of seeing the big picture and everything that goes into it and others simply aren't that bright.

The people that cover the team were pointing him out as a liability.

Only someone that is looking purely at a stat sheet would think he's a top ten LB. If that's the measuring stick than Hitchens is a top 5 LB. This isn't baseball. Stats don't always tell you the story in football. You have to actually watch the games and if you're going to really analyze a particular players play you need to do so from the All 22 as the OP obviously did. JMO

 

[Silver N Blue]

Actually, it does. You just lack the sense to realize it.

Keep playing the role of forum jester. It suits you.

Hint, you're in light blue:
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Poor fella it disproves nothing ....a foundation build on solid ground does not crumble, it does not fringe, it stands tall and proclaims victory.....my original statement and statement throughout are fact he is not trash and he is a top ten lb and the stats back it up