Defense doesn’t win Championships

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uvaballa said:
I disagree defense wasn’t enough. Before they changed the rules dominant defenses could get it done. The 85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens, the 2002? Bucs, recent Seahawks, etc. The Bears almost win a SB with Rex Grossman.

Now the league has made it almost impossible to stop the good offenses from scoring.
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All by design, only purists like watching D's and there's only one D allowed in fantasy and at least 7 O players. When the NFL got that first TV deal worth more than the combined value of the 32 teams and subsequent larger deals, that set the wheels in motion to make a more TV friendly game and one that embraced more fringe audience. Attention spans and impatience are ruling the game. I want more TD's, more TD catches and I want them now. Fans want that KC-LA game as a steady diet.

If you are a purist and appreciate the real game, you'd better hope scoring increases on it's own or they'll change more rules like no contact off the line and ignore all pick plays instead of the 80% of them now. New term just in the last couple of years from announcers "legal pick play". That's like having "legal holding" or "legal interference".

And the undeniable fact is offensive coaches are better than defensive coaches and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be slowing down. And the money leans heavily on the offensive side and that will only increase.
 
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Defenses have won championships recently in the modern NFL, though. And one of them may yet be what wins this year's Super Bowl, so it's silly to pretend you already know what the story of this season's championship is based on the regular season or some divisional round games.

We may see a Super Bowl this season won by defense. Maybe it's a reckless shootout, sure. Or maybe the narrative of this year's championship ends up being that the Pats' figured out how to stifle McVay's offense. Or that Wade Phillips' defense handed Brady the kind of loss the Giants' defenses did. Don't assume you already know what the story on this season is. One of these defenses shutting down a Brady offense or a McVay offense will result in the narrative being about that defense winning it.

Look at Peyton Manning's time in Denver. It was their defense that won for them in the year they won their Super Bowl. Manning was terrible in 2015, the season they won it all. That was their defense, all the way. The year they lost the Super Bowl two years earlier (when Manning and the offense were elite), it was because their amazing offense ran into the buzzsaw that was the Seahawks' defense.

Look at those Seahawks. Their defense was amazing the year they won it. Their defense alone outscored the high-flying Broncos offense in that Super Bowl with a safety and a pick-six, and that was the year Peyton threw 55 TDs and led an insane offense. When the Seahawks lost to the Patriots, it was the Patriots' defense slamming the door on them with that takeaway to win the game.

Speaking of the Patriots... their 0-2 record against Tom Coughlin's Giants in Super Bowls is almost entirely thanks to the Giants' defenses picking off and harassing Brady and holding the Pats to under 20 points each time.
 
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The Patriots defense is better than ours. Top 10 in points allowed per drive. Also top 10 in TO's forced per drive.

You can win with either offense or defense being completely dominant, but that doesn't happen very often.

You get there, and stay there, by doing both.
 
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maybe so....but we were a 4th down stop away from having a shot to send it to OT.

and tho the game has changed it was a int by rams def in OT that effectively ended that game...tho it never shoulda gone to OT.

and the difference in the afc title game...the patriots got more stops than kc did.

defense may not win championships...but it sure does help.
 

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SSoup said:
Defenses have won championships recently in the modern NFL, though. And one of them may yet be what wins this year's Super Bowl, so it's silly to pretend you already know what the story of this season's championship is based on the regular season or some divisional round games.

We may see a Super Bowl this season won by defense. Maybe it's a reckless shootout, sure. Or maybe the narrative of this year's championship ends up being that the Pats' figured out how to stifle McVay's offense. Or that Wade Phillips' defense handed Brady the kind of loss the Giants' defenses did. Don't assume you already know what the story on this season is. One of these defenses shutting down a Brady offense or a McVay offense will result in the narrative being about that defense winning it.

Look at Peyton Manning's time in Denver. It was their defense that won for them in the year they won their Super Bowl. Manning was terrible in 2015, the season they won it all. That was their defense, all the way. The year they lost the Super Bowl two years earlier (when Manning and the offense were elite), it was because their amazing offense ran into the buzzsaw that was the Seahawks' defense.

Look at those Seahawks. Their defense was amazing the year they won it. Their defense alone outscored the high-flying Broncos offense in that Super Bowl with a safety and a pick-six, and that was the year Peyton threw 55 TDs and led an insane offense. When the Seahawks lost to the Patriots, it was the Patriots' defense slamming the door on them with that takeaway to win the game.

Speaking of the Patriots... their 0-2 record against Tom Coughlin's Giants in Super Bowls is almost entirely thanks to the Giants' defenses picking off and harassing Brady and holding the Pats to under 20 points each time.
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Eagles D was instrumental in the playoffs last season in beating both ATL in the first round and MINN in the 2nd. Their D was 4th last year.
 
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That backs up what "the playmaker" said. Points win Championships, not the D, unless the D is scoring you points.
 

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lukin2006 said:
That backs up what "the playmaker" said. Points win Championships, not the D, unless the D is scoring you points.
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He's wrong.

Scoring points doesn't win, having more points than the other team is what wins. And D is part of that equation.
 

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Defense is the primary reason the Pats beat the Chiefs.
 
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perrykemp said:
Yes, however, the counterpoint is that the lack of defense can prevent you from winning championships.

The Chiefs defense is why they aren't playing in a Superbowl this season.
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That's no lie. All they had to do was not line offsides by full yard on one play and the game was in the bag. How Tom Brady didn't see it or any of the kc coaches is a mystery. I'd be firing the player and some coaches.
Had mahomes gotten the coin flip we woulda been saying the same thing about New Englands defense. The chiefs scored 24 4th quarter points lol. Neither defense could put the other team away and both offenses we're clutch at putting the other team away.
 
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Lack of D can prevent you from winning a championship. Therefore, D wins championships!!!!
 
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Yet, the Rams, Chiefs and Saints spent all offseason resources on their defense lol. Rams spent money on Talib, Peters, Suh...........Chiefs traded for Fuller and signed Hitchens among other moves. Saints traded 1st rounders for Davenport.....
 

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Yet, the Rams, Chiefs and Saints spent all offseason resources on their defense lol. Rams spent money on Talib, Peters, Suh...........Chiefs traded for Fuller and signed Hitchens among other moves. Saints traded 1st rounders for Davenport.....
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Pats signed Adrian Clayborn and Danny Shelton and it shows. Jason McCourty also.
 
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