Why couldn’t we win in 2014?

[Blackspider214]

On that drive for GB at the end of the first half, they had a 3rd down play where it was ruled a catch and was one of the easiest overturns I've seen in my life, it was infinitely more clear than the play that happened with Dez. Naturally they let the call stand.

I remember a controversial play on that drive but can't remember exactly what happened.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The offense was good enough but the D was mediocre at best. McClain was the only impactful player but I think he only played half the season.

 

[Gator88]

I remember a controversial play on that drive but can't remember exactly what happened.

It was a Randall Cobb catch where he pretty clearly used the ground to help his catch. To this day, I have no idea how their double standards were so bad, they called the wrong call on both that play and the Dez play.

 

[xwalker]

The NFL didn't admit the call was wrong back in 2014. They simply changed the rule this past season so that plays like Dez' and Calvin Williams and Jesse James would be catches under the new rule. Not familiar with anyone who said it was a bad call but Pereira has consistently said that call was correct all along including when it happened to James and linked back to Dez' play stating what I just told the other poster above which is that by that rule, the ball has to survive the ground past the impact and it didn't. Had Dez kept the ball off the ground, it would have been a different story. He could have bobbled the ball 20 times before grasping it and it would have been a catch.

Dean Blandino said it after he re-signed from the NFL.

 

[exciter]

we had a bye week, leagues leading rusher, and top 5 ranked o-line and had to face a severely injured Rodgers playing on 1 leg.

It couldn’t be the QB because in 2016 we got an elite Quarterback (Dak Prescott) who played far better against the packers than in 2014 and still lost despite a similar team.

This coaching staff has to go.

Oh please, in 2014 the starting Dline was Selvie, Hayden, Crawford, and Mincey. Everyone had them listed as 4 or 6 wins heading into the season. If anything the coaching staff put on a clinic on playing to your strengths with the oline and power running game to keep the defense off the field. Basic reasoning skills should dictate that it would become harder in the playoffs against teams with winning records. They lost the attrition game as the defense tired by the 4th quarter and couldn't hold GB from getting a 1st after the Dez drop. The biggest factor in that game was they couldn't get anything resembling consistent pressure on a hobbled Rodgers. If you want to criticize the coaching then point out something specific. Don't make some generalized attack on a season where they actually did a good job getting a poor team to overachieve. Any other team went 12 and 4 with that defense and half the people here would be pounding the keyboards sreaming to hire their coaches!

 

[MarcusRock]

Three years later, the NFL now says Cowboys' Dez Bryant did, in fact, catch it
https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...now-says-cowboys-dez-bryant-did-fact-catch-it

Guess you didn't see me rip this article to shreds in the other thread. Here's what I wrote and it applies to you as well: you didn't read the article and went straight to reacting to the headline. Just like the press wants you to. They know emotional people don't read or analyze.

Did you read the article?

"According to New York Giants owner and NFL competition committee member, John Mara, the league reached a unanimous agreement that it should be ruled a completion in the future."
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Again, Mara is talking at the point where the competition committee changed the rule so when the rule goes into effect in the future (the 2018 season) then catches like the Dez catch will be called catches not that the play in 2014 was a catch. Y'all gotta read past the headlines. They're built to get a reaction to the point where people just run with it without actually reading what the article said. I remember that thread where overly emotional posters were like chickens with their heads cut off saying the NFL admitted they made a mistake in 2014. They didn't. The posters just didn't read what was actually happening because they were triggered by things all over again.

 

[MarcusRock]

He has the ball and it’s cuffed in his hand and forearm it was plain as day it was a catch then and it’s a catch now, everything you said in you’re statement is just trying hard to make it not a catch. The same way they tried hard to reverse it and were successful.

Are you just going to gloss over the pictures I showed that clearly show the ball touching the ground? Doesn't matter if he was cuffing the ball at the time. It touched and then the ball came out of his complete grasp which makes a catch dead in the water by the rules in place at the time. But who reads?

 

[MarcusRock]

That alone makes you’re statment non credible

Who out there has said Pereira was wrong during the broadcast or after? That play being a huge controversy, surely someone fact checked him to show he was wrong. Where is it? Do you pretend to know more than he does? You can't even defend your point to me let alone someone who was in charge of the rules.

 

[MarcusRock]

You might have a mutually exclusive point if the ball was on the ground loose without Bryant's wrapped around the point crunching it back upward and onto his forearm and shoulder. The ball technically never touches the ground without Bryant's control.

Add in the rest of the play sequence and this is a clear catch, 100%. I don't give 2 birdshits about your stand alone opinion.

As stated above, in control of the ball doesn't matter if it touches, there just needs to be control of the ball through contacting the ground. There clearly wasn't. Did the ball not eventually come completely loose or do you need another picture to prove you wrong twice today?

And standalone opinion? As much "outrage" as there was that this wasn't a catch, show me an article that breaks down how the call was wrong. People raged against the rule, not that it wasn't called correctly. Opinion is what catch theorists throw out there including you making up a rule that's stated absolutely nowhere. I show you what the rule says and when you can't overcome it, you make stuff up. I haven't debated a catch theorist yet who hasn't lied about rules changing or lied about some other aspect to make their point. When you have to do that, you KNOW you have no case. But if you disagree, quote the rules that support your fantasy.

 

[MarcusRock]

Dean Blandino said it after he re-signed from the NFL.

That would've been a huge story if hat actually happened. I never heard that it did. Because it didn't. Link?

 

[mmohican29]

The league acknowledged the mistake. It was a catch. Everybody knows it. You just keep doing you- keep that rule book handy and burn some incense when the wife isn't home to keep you occupied.

 

[MarcusRock]

The league acknowledged the mistake. It was a catch. Everybody knows it. You just keep doing you- keep that rule book handy and burn some incense when the wife isn't home to keep you occupied.

I just showed your buddy how his article was crap and the league admitted nothing about that 2014 play. Is this you faking incredulousness so you can exit the thread to not continue being shown your errors? See it all the time.

 

[mmohican29]

I just showed your buddy how his article was crap and the league admitted nothing about that 2014 play. Is this you faking incredulousness so you can exit the thread to not continue being shown your errors? See it all the time.

Nope, just not going to argue with an idiot. Have a nice night.

 

[MarcusRock]

Nope, just not going to argue with an idiot. Have a nice night.

And another one gone, and another one gone ...

Come back and kneel before Zod, lightweight.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This is as wrong as when you thought Deshaun Watson was Dak Prescott

That wasn't him, Genius. Try again.

 

[America's Cowboy]

when Romo and Witten we’re finally good enough and done partying. Murray and Dez weren’t.

This! ^^^^

 

[blumayne38]

As stated above, in control of the ball doesn't matter if it touches, there just needs to be control of the ball through contacting the ground. There clearly wasn't. Did the ball not eventually come completely loose or do you need another picture to prove you wrong twice today?

And standalone opinion? As much "outrage" as there was that this wasn't a catch, show me an article that breaks down how the call was wrong. People raged against the rule, not that it wasn't called correctly. Opinion is what catch theorists throw out there including you making up a rule that's stated absolutely nowhere. I show you what the rule says and when you can't overcome it, you make stuff up. I haven't debated a catch theorist yet who hasn't lied about rules changing or lied about some other aspect to make their point. When you have to do that, you KNOW you have no case. But if you disagree, quote the rules that support your fantasy.

 

[Gator88]

That wasn't him, Genius. Try again.

I don't want to believe there are 2 separate people with the crazy opinions you guys share.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I don't want to believe there are 2 separate people with the crazy opinions you guys share.

Go cry me a river, Einstein.

 

[MarcusRock]

Yep. Asked you to put up or shut up and you got nothing. Typical for your average catch theorist so you're not alone at least.