Should Dallas not extend Zeke?

[StuckMojo]

...I am using an example that will hit home for you. Something you should be aware of, but I get people from PA/Pittsburgh, I used to live there - you folks are stubborn.

This goes for any team - again, patterns in the NFL mean something. There is good reason why in the modern NFL era that elite RBs and WRs don't win Super Bowls. I can, however, point to multiple great/elite QBs and defensive players that have won it all.

I agree about great/elite QBs and defensive players but where are we getting an elite QB or do you think that is Dak? We also need some more players on D.

 

[Flamma]

You don't need to give him a second contract to get through his prime years. We could get him to when he's around 26 years old without giving him a second contract, and I can tell you now, he won't be the same player by then.

This right here. Let him play out his rookie deal and pick up his 5th year option. Then tag him and let him go after that.

 

[mattjames2010]

I agree about great/elite QBs and defensive players but where are we getting an elite QB or do you think that is Dak? We also need some more players on D.

If we keep Dak, and we will, the only way he's getting a Super Bowl is by having an elite defense. That's it. No matter the supporting cast around him on offense, maybe outside of offensive line.

Dak could have prime Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin and not get it done. Again, it's 100% about building an elite defense. We don't get that, we get no trophy.

 

[exciter]

Might not be a popular thing to talk about. But might be the smart thing to do. The Cowboys made that absolute right decision not to resign DeMarco Murray fresh off an 1800 yard season. He was the 4th best player in the league at the time, according to the top 100 players. He was also a 3rd round 71st player taken in the draft. Solid RB's can be found in the later rounds.

He also lasted only 3 years after the Cowboys wisely let him walk. They could have been on the hook with him like they were with Marion Barber. Paying for a player that wasn't even in the league anymore.

Murray 934 att 4526 yds 28 TDs 1200 receiving 1 TD (remember that TD? Skins?)
Elliott 868 att 4048 yds 28 TDs 1199 receiving 6 TDs

Similar Stats. Although Murray's are over 4 years, he wasn't used as much his rookie year and only had about 500 yards. They are doing the same thing with Zeke. Running him into the ground. He will blow by Murray's carry totals easily this coming year. They've been lucky he's been so durable. There is nobody behind him. The smart move may be franchising him for a year possibly, and then say adios.

And after not signing Murray they went 4 -12 after being 12-4 the previous year. The whole offense is based around Elliot and the QB is dependent on him, which was something in the thinking process when Murray was allowed to walk. Of coarse you resign Elliot otherwise there is no point in resigning anyone!

 

[Nightman]

This right here. Let him play out his rookie deal and pick up his 5th year option. Then tag him and let him go after that.

That is actually more expensive and eats more cap space than a 5/75m extension

The extension gives the team 3 "Team Option" years with 0 gtd money

 

[Flamma]

That is actually more expensive and eats more cap space than a 5/75m extension

The extension gives the team 3 "Team Option" years with 0 gtd money

You could be right as I haven't looked at the numbers. I'm just not sure it would be cheaper to go 5/75m. The 5th year option would be less than 15M.

 

[mardwin]

I would pay Zeke before I pay Dak.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

I'd say Dallas is a contender not superbowl contenders. Dallas winning last season was on the defense.

I don't agree. One change, getting Cooper, and they went 8-1. He was the top receiver in the NFL over that time.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

Elite RBs don't win you Super Bowls.

Not by themselves, no, but as part of great teams, yes. Emmitt was the MVP of the greatest team in NFL history.

 

[kskboys]

Ray Rice, Blount(twice), CJ Anderson, Marshawn Lynch, all were instrumental in their team's super bowl runs. And what they all have in common is that they're the tough yards RB's, the guys who can get something out of nothing. It's not the flashy RB's who are the most important, it's the guys who can consistently gain yards, whether there's a hole or not. A 3 yd run when there's nowhere to go trumps an occasional long run.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I don't agree. One change, getting Cooper, and they went 8-1. He was the top receiver in the NFL over that time.

Cooper helped but the defense made the season. If the defense was average or below like normal Dallas goes 6-10

 

[Daktozekecoop]

Cooper helped but the defense made the season. If the defense was average or below like normal Dallas goes 6-10

Without Cooper, we would have gone 6-10.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

This team without Cooper was 3-5, or the 6-10 you mention extrapolated over 16 games. Defense only does not do it. Defense and Zeke, does not do it, proved in those first 8 games. But defense, Zeke AND Cooper. NOW we got something. As always, it takes a team. (last essential part is coaching)

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I would pay Zeke before I pay Dak.

Yes

 

[StarBoyz83]

Without Cooper, we would have gone 6-10.

Might be somewhat true. Even with cooper the offense was still meh though. The defense was more important by far.

 

[DStar22]

should we get rid of Zeke?

only if you want to lose a lot.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

Might be somewhat true. Even with cooper the offense was still meh though. The defense was more important by far.

What actually happened just does not bare out what you are saying. With the defense we were 3 and 5. With Cooper, we were an entirely different team. We dramatically went from 3-5 to 10-6. Improving 6 games. You could argue that with Cooper the whole season we would have gone 14-2 or 13-3. While without Cooper the whole year, we would have gone 6-10. It takes a team and that was proved out more than ever this year.

 

[StarBoyz83]

What actually happened just does not bare out what you are saying. With the defense we were 3 and 5. With Cooper, we were an entirely different team. We dramatically went from 3-5 to 10-6. Improving 6 games. You could argue that with Cooper the whole season we would have gone 14-2 or 13-3. While without Cooper the whole year, we would have gone 6-10. It takes a team and that was proved out more than ever this year.

The defense carried the team almost all year. That's what happened. Not really debatable. Imo. It was obvious watching the games. Of the other teams were dropping 30 points a game on Dallas like they usually do the offense wouldnt have kept up.

 

[mattjames2010]

Not by themselves, no, but as part of great teams, yes. Emmitt was the MVP of the greatest team in NFL history.

Again, elite RBs rarely, if ever, get to the Super Bowl let alone win it.

And Smith played in a different era. It's 2019 and we are going on about 15 years at this point without a dominant RB leading his team to a Super Bowl and winning it. The closest you have is Lynch, and Lynch didn't have to do crap most of the playoffs and in the Super Bowl.

 

[mattjames2010]

What actually happened just does not bare out what you are saying. With the defense we were 3 and 5. With Cooper, we were an entirely different team. We dramatically went from 3-5 to 10-6. Improving 6 games. You could argue that with Cooper the whole season we would have gone 14-2 or 13-3. While without Cooper the whole year, we would have gone 6-10. It takes a team and that was proved out more than ever this year.

We still got shut out with the amazing Cooper - you know, our first since 2003. We also put up 13 points against the Saints and would have lost without our D. We got lucky to face Colt McCoy late in the season.

Cooper had 2 big games for us in the regular season. That was it.