My thoughts on the thoughts on Dak

[gjkoeppen]

Dak is a different passer than Romo, Dak is ok with throwing 3 yard dump offs instead of throwing down field. Romo was more of down the field passer, avgs only tell part of the story. Tony was accurate as in he threw to a spot so his receivers could run after the catch, Dak is inconsistent with his placement, inaccurate, his receivers have to stop or jump for many of the passes only to be tackled right away with little chance for yac. I feel Dak would have better numbers if he hit his receivers in stride more but that falls back to accuracy. You cannot use stats to compare two different passers.

That might be believable that Romo threw down field more than Prescott if their average yards per pass weren't so close. If Romo threw down field so much more than Prescott his average yards per pass would be a lot more than just a couple tenths of a yard more than Prescott's. I'll give you that Romo was more accurate than Prescott and that helped him get a little higher average yards per pass because there was some YAC which added yardage to those passes. Although you also have to remember how many times Bryant had to out jump a defender to catch a ball. But just throwing the ball down field more than Prescott is a lot more your imagination than what the stats prove.
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[mattjames2010]

Not necessarily so. It could merely mean the Cowboys were targeting Elliott more in the second half of the season. Besides, there really was only one game in the 2nd half where Zeke got a notably greater number of targets and receptions, and that was against Philly where he had 13 targets and 12 receptions, and one game in the first half where he had notably fewer targets and receptions, and that was against Jax where he had 1 target and 1 receptions. Other than those 2 games the usage of Zeke as a receiver was pretty consistent all season.

Percy, the folks you look to on here for answers, showed these stats yesterday - despite Zeke's large amount of receptions, they were mostly dumpoffs. In the first 8 weeks, he had a 7 reception game and a 5 reception game. From week 9 and on, he had one game where he had less than 5 catches a game. The receptions clearly went up.

 

[gjkoeppen]

lol jesus dude, its clear that you didnt understand the purpose of the thread. You really need to get your head out of the Dak issues that are in your brain. This thread was about Linehan and showing the similarities in the numbers between Dak and Romo under this same system.

Any time Prescott is mentioned in a start to a thread, regardless of what the intent of the thread was supposed to be IT WILL turn into a Prescott thread. It always does and it will always continue. There are going to be the Prescott haters that have to get their daily fix of hating Prescott and then the pro Prescott crowd will get their comments in and there you have it another Prescott thread.
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[Hadenough]

Tom Brady, statistically speaking, had a down year. As did Rodgers.

I'm glad to see Dak's best is the best QBs in the NFL's worst.

This just proves how stats can be misleading! Dak compares closer to Tebow than he does to Brady.

 

[mattjames2010]

This just proves how stats can be misleading! Dak compares closer to Tebow than he does to Brady.

The fact that we have 3 other people defending the dopey position is hilarious and shows how fanboying out throws people into denial.

Even someone trying to argue that Rodgers isn't outside of his prime. Both his 2015 and 2017/18 seasons were below his production from 2009 to 2014. 2016 seems to be an absolute outlier here, the fact he can't stay healthy is also proving he's out of his prime as well.

Prescott ranks in the middle of the pack in terms of YPA in 2018, he was low in 2017, and high in 2016. It's like he's leveling off and becoming....Alex Smith. A middling QB.

 

[jrumann59]

That might be believable that Romo threw down field more than Prescott if their average yards per pass weren't so close. If Romo threw down field so much more than Prescott his average yards per pass would be a lot more than just a couple tenths of a yard more than Prescott's. I'll give you that Romo was more accurate than Prescott and that helped him get a little higher average yards per pass because there was some YAC which added yardage to those passes. Although you also have to remember how many times Bryant had to out jump a defender to catch a ball. But just throwing the ball down field more than Prescott is a lot more your imagination than what the stats prove.
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You sure about that. yards per pass is an all encompassing number, some of its the QB some of its the receiver. Which is more indicative of QBs ability one pass that is completed for 50 yards and 35 yard run for TD or a 5 yard dump off with 80 yard RAC for a TD.

 

[conner01]

My opinion on Dak
He’s the best QB we have and we aren’t drafting any viable alternative any time soon
Build an offense around what he does best and he will win us games

 

[gjkoeppen]

This just proves how stats can be misleading! Dak compares closer to Tebow than he does to Brady.

Tebow's rookie year he had all of 82 attempts for 8.0 APP. His 2nd year his attempts more than tripled to 278 and his APP went down to 6.4 and only had 8 attempts is 3rd year for 4.9 APP. Prescott in each of his 3 seasons had more attempts than all of Tebow's combined and you're comparing Prescott to Tebow?
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[gjkoeppen]

You sure about that. yards per pass is an all encompassing number, some of its the QB some of its the receiver. Which is more indicative of QBs ability one pass that is completed for 50 yards and 35 yard run for TD or a 5 yard dump off with 80 yard RAC for a TD.

You just made my point for me, thanks. Romo's APP was helped by the YAC receivers were able to get and further proves that it's just imagination that tells anyone that Romo threw downfield more than Prescott by enough to even argue about.
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[btcutter]

This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.

I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.

In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired

Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.

2014 Romo numbers

247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?

in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.

2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018

Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018

Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.

WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?

Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.

One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.

You use numbers which has too many variables for me. I will use just 1 scenario.

3rd and 10. Who do you want as the QB who will give you best chance of getting a 1st down? Me.....Romo.

We have Dak now and I am encouraged by his progress since we got Cooper. We will have to roll with Dak.

 

[Corso]

You know, it's about time we talk about Dak...
Something fresh around here is welcome!

 

[Whyjerry]

This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.

I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.

In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired

Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.

2014 Romo numbers

247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?

in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.

2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018

Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018

Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.

WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?

Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.

One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.

The Dak haters are stupid plain and simple. Guy has been a revelation of a 4th rounder.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak is the greatest. I’m slobbering. Lol

 

[LatinMind]

This just proves how stats can be misleading! Dak compares closer to Tebow than he does to Brady.

I dont compare Dak to anybody.

What i will say about Dak and Bradys similar ypa is the are throwing the same types of routes. The difference between the two sets of offenses as a whole is the Patriots are more efficient and the plays are better and are designed to get the wr open. While the dallas offense depends on the wr being able to get himself open.

 

[Sydla]

You just made my point for me, thanks. Romo's APP was helped by the YAC receivers were able to get and further proves that it's just imagination that tells anyone that Romo threw downfield more than Prescott by enough to even argue about.
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Got proof of this?

Because according to Football Outsiders, in 2014, Romo's pass yards traveled in the air would rank in the Top 5 of the league at 9.18 yards.

 

[jrumann59]

You just made my point for me, thanks. Romo's APP was helped by the YAC receivers were able to get and further proves that it's just imagination that tells anyone that Romo threw downfield more than Prescott by enough to even argue about.
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I didn't prove anything if anything it proves Dak is more helped by YAC than Romo was. Romo had longer in the air passes than Dak. Too bad NexGen was not around during 2014 season. Look at the scatter charts for Dak going back to 2016 even though it does not have all of them, the majority of Daks passes are 10 yards or less.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/dallas-cowboys/2018/week

 

[LatinMind]

You use numbers which has too many variables for me. I will use just 1 scenario.

3rd and 10. Who do you want as the QB who will give you best chance of getting a 1st down? Me.....Romo.

We have Dak now and I am encouraged by his progress since we got Cooper. We will have to roll with Dak.

If you watched the 2014 the same type of struggles they had to convert 3rd downs with the pass this yr were evident in 2014 aswell. Demarco Murray was the go to guy on 3rd downs. Just like in 2016 Elliot was a beast on 3rd down conversions. The offense no matter who has been QB under Linehan the stats are just similar. The production is alike, and the stuggles are the same. It didnt matter if it was Romo or Dak they both had the same success and struggles in the same situations. Naturally Romo had a little more success because he had 10yrs under his belt. But seeing that Romo was on par with Dak in terms of 250yrd passing games shows that the system was a handicap.

 

[Bullflop]

For many to compare what Dak has been in 3 years, against what Romo was in 3 times that, does seem a bit dubious in terms of fairness.

 

[northerncowboynation]

This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.

I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.

In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired

Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.

2014 Romo numbers

247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?

in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.

2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018

Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018

Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.

WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?

Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.

One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.

2014 WAS Romo's best year. His interception numbers went way down because of the O-line that opened holes for Murray and he wasn't asked to throw the ball all over the field as shown by his passing yards that year. That O-line was better than 2017 line or 2018 line that Prescott played behind. Dak bashers dismiss that. They also dismiss the fact that Romo had Dez and Witt in their prime. Yes, it would have been nice to see Romo and Zeke on the same field but the man was 36 years old before that could have happened. Time didn't stop and wait for him. It doesn't stop for anyone. Romo retired, it was time.

Dak bashers also conveniently forget that Aikman rarely threw for more than 250 yards behind one of the best O-lines of all time. Troy would have been killed with his lack of mobility behind the 2017 and 2018 O-lines Prescott played behind.. He got his head rattled more than a few times behind a great O-line. Yes, Troy was more accurate, his chemistry with Irvin was magic and he had Emmitt. Still his passing yards to this day are not tops, pretty average in fact. I know, different time and game in the 90's than todays pass happy league and not a fair comparison because of different HC's, OC's, game plans etc BUT....

 

[mattjames2010]

I dont compare Dak to anybody.

What i will say about Dak and Bradys similar ypa is the are throwing the same types of routes. The difference between the two sets of offenses as a whole is the Patriots are more efficient and the plays are better and are designed to get the wr open. While the dallas offense depends on the wr being able to get himself open.

You clearly were comparing him to someone and leaving out a ton of context, which I needed to provide you.

Rodgers is in the twilight of his career and Brady had a down year. The moment you put Dak up against all-time greats, he's going to come out looking like a bum. I don't know why your side even does this.

Let's take a look at what you were attempting to compare earlier

2018 YPA

Patrick Mahomes had 8.8
Philip Rivers had 8.5
Jared Goff had 8.4
Deshaun Watson had 8.3
Drew Brees had 8.2
Matt Ryan and Russel Wilson had 8.1

Prescott's YPA was below Eli Manning and Marcus Mariota - which tells you how much this stat actually means anyways. But since we are comparing, Prescott in 2017 was between Derek Carr and Andy Dalton

Again, Prescott is leveling off and he's essentially Alex Smith on his best days.