My thoughts on the thoughts on Dak

[morat1959]

You're going to be miserable for several years to come. Dak ain't going nowhere.

And neither are the Cowboys with him as our starter. So we’ll all be miserable.

 

[Corso]

And neither are the Cowboys with him as our starter. So we’ll all be miserable.

At least misery loves company!

 

[cern]

the only commom denominator in these discussions is the pitiable linehan. his playcalling stunk up the place. he's done now. now we should get our first true look at dak and what he brings to the table.

 

[Jarv]

I acknowledged the difference between Aikmans NFL and Prescotts NFL. Do you remember how many fans, media pundits and talking heads called the Aikman selection a bust after his first 2 years in the NFL? Many.

I think the firing of David Shula and the hiring of Norv really helped Troy. Hopefully Kid Kellen will help Dak.

 

[Corso]

I think the firing of David Shula and the hiring of Norv really helped Troy. Hopefully Kid Kellen will help Dak.

Better than hiring Jim Bob Cooter... I don't think I can take another season of my Detroit Lion's fan writing partner snickering at me any longer.
Let me put it this way: If the Cowboys hired Jim Bob Cooter, I was going to fire Daniel just for the peace of mind.

 

[Redball Express]

Glad it wasn’t long.

Hey..

That percolated for some time with him before he had to exhale and post.

It's always funny how differently we all see the same things..

but some use a pile of stats to reinforce it..

while others say it in a 3 word post.

But I agree with the concept whatever.

Every QB has strengths and weaknesses.

DAKs is not number of completions, numbers of deep throws completed or Redzone conversions.

Although those are all above average in my book.

Romo never had a good defense.

And part of that was his salary cost the team there.

We could not afford it in his time.

So throwing the ball ala Romo was our only way to succeed.

Which brings us to Dak and all the concern about his new deal and repeating what happened with Romo and not being able to afford pieces around Dak in order to succeed.

It's a valid issue.

Linehan was part of the problem.

He was sheparding the offense the only way he knew.

DAKs biggest strength is his leadership not his stats.

I love that about him. Romo was a big leader, too.

We will see this year what happens.

I have no idea how this will turn out.

But I am going to stop whining and just be a fan.

Much easier than trying to debate it every day.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Dak is a different passer than Romo, Dak is ok with throwing 3 yard dump offs instead of throwing down field. Romo was more of down the field passer, avgs only tell part of the story. Tony was accurate as in he threw to a spot so his receivers could run after the catch, Dak is inconsistent with his placement, inaccurate, his receivers have to stop or jump for many of the passes only to be tackled right away with little chance for yac. I feel Dak would have better numbers if he hit his receivers in stride more but that falls back to accuracy. You cannot use stats to compare two different passers.

If we want to settle for Dak, the poor man's Tony Romo, then Zeke better be prepared to run 200-yard games consistently.

 

[Corso]

Hey..

That percolated for some time with him before he had to exhale and post.

It's always funny how differently we all see the same things..

but some use a pile of stats to reinforce it..

while others say it in a 3 word post.

But I agree with the concept whatever.

Every QB has strengths and weaknesses.

DAKs is not number of completions, numbers of deep throws completed or Redzone conversions.

Although those are all above average in my book.

Romo never had a good defense.

And part of that was his salary cost the team there.

We could not afford it in his time.

So throwing the ball ala Romo was our only way to succeed.

Which brings us to Dak and all the concern about his new deal and repeating what happened with Romo and not being able to afford pieces around Dak in order to succeed.

It's a valid issue.

Linehan was part of the problem.

He was sheparding the offense the only way he knew.

DAKs biggest strength is his leadership not his stats.

I love that about him. Romo was a big leader, too.

We will see this year what happens.

I have no idea how this will turn out.

But I am going to stop whining and just be a fan.

Much easier than trying to debate it every day.

Just... no more Lions coaches any more. On either side of the ball.
Please?

 

[Whyjerry]

Dak has been better then good, but the biggest problem with him is when he's off its just ugly. And he needs to learn when to not take a sack and hold on the ball. Romo, Brady, all these QBs had the same problems early in their career.

Brady first 3 yrs starting at QB

INTs
12,14,12
TDS
18, 28, 23
SACKS
41, 32, 31

Dak was sacked 56 times this year. That will make a QB look pretty ugly at times.

 

[Corso]

If we want to settle for Dak, the poor man's Tony Romo, then Zeke better be prepared to run 200-yard games consistently.

Oh ye of hyperbole- what wilst thou grant a poor altah boy, homeless in a subway station?
Karras to divine?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak is a different passer than Romo, Dak is ok with throwing 3 yard dump offs instead of throwing down field. Romo was more of down the field passer, avgs only tell part of the story. Tony was accurate as in he threw to a spot so his receivers could run after the catch, Dak is inconsistent with his placement, inaccurate, his receivers have to stop or jump for many of the passes only to be tackled right away with little chance for yac. I feel Dak would have better numbers if he hit his receivers in stride more but that falls back to accuracy. You cannot use stats to compare two different passers.

Not in 2014.....Romo wasn’t a deep ball thrower at that point.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If we want to settle for Dak, the poor man's Tony Romo, then Zeke better be prepared to run 200-yard games consistently.

To be the poor mans Romo would mean he was inferior to Romo. Play on the field says otherwise.

 

[Coy]

You clearly were comparing him to someone and leaving out a ton of context, which I needed to provide you.

Rodgers is in the twilight of his career and Brady had a down year. The moment you put Dak up against all-time greats, he's going to come out looking like a bum. I don't know why your side even does this.

Let's take a look at what you were attempting to compare earlier

2018 YPA

Patrick Mahomes had 8.8
Philip Rivers had 8.5
Jared Goff had 8.4
Deshaun Watson had 8.3
Drew Brees had 8.2
Matt Ryan and Russel Wilson had 8.1

Prescott's YPA was below Eli Manning and Marcus Mariota - which tells you how much this stat actually means anyways. But since we are comparing, Prescott in 2017 was between Derek Carr and Andy Dalton

Again, Prescott is leveling off and he's essentially Alex Smith on his best days.

Great post, that is why comparing different years is silly, now year to year with other QB`s makes much more sense.
Dak below Eli and Mariota, wow, enough said.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

To be the poor mans Romo would mean he was inferior to Romo. Play on the field says otherwise.

Take it how you like it, pedestrian person.

 

[tunahelper]

Dak is a different passer than Romo, Dak is ok with throwing 3 yard dump offs instead of throwing down field. Romo was more of down the field passer, avgs only tell part of the story. Tony was accurate as in he threw to a spot so his receivers could run after the catch, Dak is inconsistent with his placement, inaccurate, his receivers have to stop or jump for many of the passes only to be tackled right away with little chance for yac. I feel Dak would have better numbers if he hit his receivers in stride more but that falls back to accuracy. You cannot use stats to compare two different passers.

I agree about the accuracy issues for Dak. He doesn't anticipate as well as he should. It almost seems like if he does see the play developing he doesnt let it rip. Maybe Kitna will help Dak with trusting what he does not see and throwing to the spot better?

Another issue is the offense is predicated on consistent conversions. A run first offense places the QB in a lot of long drives, due to shorter plays with smaller conversions required. This seems like a good thing, but it is a numbers game, so eventually the defense wins and you must punt. This offense was perfect for Aikman because he was extremely accurate and patient.

Dak needs to make chunk plays. Simple evaluation, but he is not the consistent passer to move the chains with this offense. He has value, but the scheme needs to adapt to him. I think less run focus and more pass oriented attack.

 

[Hadenough]

I dont understand where you guys come up with that scaled down. I havent read anything saying this. The only thing i have ever read was the offense would be more Dak friendly. But even with that being said, the same types of plays were being called since back to 2014. Has there been a change? Honestly has there?

I don't see a change but Garrett was the one who mentioned it in the off season.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Take it how you like it, pedestrian person.

If I’m pedestrian what in the hell do you think you are lol?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.

I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.

In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired

Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.

2014 Romo numbers

247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?

in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.

2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018

Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018

Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.

WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?

Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.

One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.

the question is not comparing Romo stats vs. Dak stats and pointing to linehan. Romo was capable of averaging 300+, passing the team to victory. We don't know if Dak can do that. he has had 300+ games, that's not proof. its having to do it consistently. What we do know is when Zeke was out and the offense struggled, he couldn't carry the team by passing in 2017. we struggled to three single digit point games. in 2018 we get Zeke, we get him a #1 WR and things turn around for the team. even in the 3-5 beginning, it was all about zeke. when we got Cooper, teams couldn't just focus on stopping zeke. they had to account for cooper and it allowed zeke to run wild per se what we know this year when Zeke has over 100+ total yards we are 9-1, we are 2-6 other wise. this regardless of what Dak did. yes, I am sure someone will point to the giants game. again, this is not about can he throw for 300+ yards. he can. he has. but can he do it consistently, and make passing offense key part of the team. until it happens, we won't know. now linehan is gone, so lets see how moore does.

secondly, this is about Dak's accuracy, which is not the same as completion percentage. dak is not as accurate thrower as some of the other QBs that have been mentioned and he leaves a lot of passing yards in the field.

 

[Corso]

the question is not comparing Romo stats vs. Dak stats and pointing to linehan. Romo was capable of averaging 300+, passing the team to victory. We don't know if Dak can do that. he has had 300+ games, that's not proof. its having to do it consistently. What we do know is when Zeke was out and the offense struggled, he couldn't carry the team by passing in 2017. we struggled to three single digit point games. in 2018 we get Zeke, we get him a #1 WR and things turn around for the team. even in the 3-5 beginning, it was all about zeke. when we got Cooper, teams couldn't just focus on stopping zeke. they had to account for cooper and it allowed zeke to run wild per se what we know this year when Zeke has over 100+ total yards we are 9-1, we are 2-6 other wise. this regardless of what Dak did. yes, I am sure someone will point to the giants game. again, this is not about can he throw for 300+ yards. he can. he has. but can he do it consistently, and make passing offense key part of the team. until it happens, we won't know. now linehan is gone, so lets see how moore does.

Or if Moore even tries to call upon Dak to throw for so many yards on a game-by-game basis.
It just hasn't been the team philosophy for what? Going on half a decade now?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Did you know Dak(7.4) is right with Brady(7.6) and Rodgers(7.4) in ypa?

how many passes per game...again...partial story