Can't wait to pay Zeke

[conner01]

To me you sign Zeke now so you can walk away by the time he’s 28 if you want or need to
Or you let him play out
Signing a RB after his 5th year is a recipe for disaster

 

[Fletch]

The only thing that's happened in his first 3 years is he lost his speed!

"Most Durable back in 2 decades!"

:|

We know. You cling to the fact that he was drafted 4th overall and you’ve hated it from day one. Guess you’ll be miserable for a good while. Lol

 

[Corso]

I like Zeke... get that 2nd contract big dog!
He runs, he catches, he blocks, he doesn't miss games and he's your most important offensive weapon and an inspiring force.

I have no problems with extending the man. Hopefully he keeps his nose clean.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There have been Quite a few workhorse backs in history who stayed healthy long enough to stay productive through a second contract.

Now compare them to all rbs.

See in fractions there is a thing called a numerator and a denominator. One is meaningless without the other. They work together to tell a coherent story!

Isn't math fun!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

To be fair, the point here isn’t about one year. It’s about the wear and tear on TBs and how big money deals to them can bite you in the butt.

As is the case here, where the Rams now have to monitor their highest paid TB in football’s usage.

You'd think this would be self evident...

 

[HungryLion]

Now compare them to all rbs.

See in fractions there is a thing called a numerator and a denominator. One is meaningless without the other. They work together to tell a coherent story!

Isn't math fun!

I know how math works. Being a condescending douchebag doesn’t strengthen your argument.

We are also talking about a top notch level talent.

If we are going to be condescending I could say. You see, there’s this thing called talent. And Ezekiel Elliott is one of the most talented running backs in the league.

There’s also this thing called personal history and Ezekiel Elliott has a clean history of being durable and not missing games.

Ezekiel Elliott as a player is NOT the norm. It’s why he was a top pick and it’s why he has led the league in rushing since he was drafted. He isn’t just your average run of the mill running back.

You have to evaluate each individual player, not act like you’re a genius because you know how a fraction works.

Zeke is a hall of fame level talent. That’s what separates him from the norm. It’s acually not that complicated. So it’s sad you are struggling to understand that.

 

[phildadon86]

No the rule is the entire histor of the RB position.....staying healthy through a new monster extension would be the exception.

We understand you hate Zeke and wanted Ramsey. We get it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I get your point but Zeke is probably the most durable back I can remember in the last 15 years.

His bowling ball build is usually the type of build that keeps a player at his position on the field.

Gurley has that long lean frame that constantly has nagging injuries at that position.

AD..................

 

[HungryLion]

How many in the last 10-15 years?

There have been several.

The question is pointless though because you have to judge each player individually, no two players are the same.

And yes. There are numerous top level RB’s who stay productive well into a second contract. And make no mistake, Zeke is a top level RB.

 

[HungryLion]

Zeke is going to be 24 this season. If you resign him to a 5 year deal this off-season. He will be 28 during the final season of the contract.

If you sign him to a 5 year deal next off season, he will be 29 during the last season of his contract.

Most 5 year deals are structured so that the team can cut a player going into the last year of their deal. So the cowboys would be able to cut Zeke when he is 28-29 years old and about to hit the RB wall.

So I really don’t understand why some fans are that worried about his contract. The cowboys can extend him and still be able to get out of the contract before Zeke hits close to 30.

People are worrying about it for no reason.

As a matter of fact. If you resign Zeke to a 5 year deal this off season. You could cut him after 4 years when Zeke is literally only 27 years old, if you had to.

27 years old.

 

[bayeslife]

Lol I love it

OP has been rooting for Zeke to fail since we took him over Ramsey. No such luck yet unfortunately

 

[Corso]

Lol I love it

OP has been rooting for Zeke to fail since we took him over Ramsey. No such luck yet unfortunately

He has the advantage of time. This game is still being played and he's still in the cat-bird's seat.
Doesn't make me take back my previous post though.

Sign that man. Right now. Let's do this damned deed.

 

[scottsp]

Gurley has a history of injury even dating back to Georgia, Zeke has been pretty much injury free. It is not the carries as much as it is mounting injuries that hurt careers at RB.

There is a undeniable cumulative effect correlating to the workload of the position. Zeke may be as healthy as a horse, but I doubt he is going to average 300+ carries another four. It's not like a significant toll won't be taken between now and then.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I know how math works. Being a condescending douchebag doesn’t strengthen your argument.

We are also talking about a top notch level talent.

If we are going to be condescending I could say. You see, there’s this thing called talent. And Ezekiel Elliott is one of the most talented running backs in the league.

There’s also this thing called personal history and Ezekiel Elliott has a clean history of being durable and not missing games.

Ezekiel Elliott as a player is NOT the norm. It’s why he was a top pick and it’s why he has led the league in rushing since he was drafted. He isn’t just your average run of the mill running back.

You have to evaluate each individual player, not act like you’re a genius because you know how a fraction works.

Zeke is a hall of fame level talent. That’s what separates him from the norm. It’s acually not that complicated. So it’s sad you are struggling to understand that.

I'm tired of "Zeke is a generational talent" nonsense to be honest. He isn't even the best running back in the division.

And while I agree he's on a hall of fame trajectory that has as much or more to do with the team he was signed to as his own talent.

Is Zeke league leader in rushing if he's on the Jets and on a team that's constantly being blown out? Say what you will about pass blocking but we've been a do ant run blocking unit for years.

Frankly, he is not indespensable. He plays a position that is fungible. We've shown when he is out we run as effectively (actually more so when you look at the admittedly small sample size numbers). We know rushing efficiency is not correlated with winning. And to top it all off we know he's more likely than not to face injury right when he's on a monster contract. Also speaking of contracts he never even represented savings on his rookie deal like... EVERY OTHER POSITION...because he came in as a top 5 paid rb due to the in the toilet rb salary market (which is in the toilet be ause most organizations understand that rbs are cheap assets).

Why exactly does this board feel the need to go against all common sense for this player and position? Historical because of Smith's legacy? Is it because of fantasy football (no I'm serious... Cooper and Zeke have overwhelming support for big extensions while the more important Lawrence does not)?

Look neither of us have any influence over if (when) Zeke is signed. But we don't have to be idiots and close our eyes to self evident truths either.

I'd trade Zeke right now for a 3rd and the Cowboys would be better off for it.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Zeke is going to be 24 this season. If you resign him to a 5 year deal this off-season. He will be 28 during the final season of the contract.

If you sign him to a 5 year deal next off season, he will be 29 during the last season of his contract.

Most 5 year deals are structured so that the team can cut a player going into the last year of their deal. So the cowboys would be able to cut Zeke when he is 28-29 years old and about to hit the RB wall.

So I really don’t understand why some fans are that worried about his contract. The cowboys can extend him and still be able to get out of the contract before Zeke hits close to 30.

People are worrying about it for no reason.

As a matter of fact. If you resign Zeke to a 5 year deal this off season. You could cut him after 4 years when Zeke is literally only 27 years old, if you had to.

27 years old.

28 or 29 when rbs hit the wall?

You realize peak rb production happens at age 27 with a steady and fairly precipitous drop afterwards.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/123542/inside-slant-running-back-cliff-after-age-27

So let's say you draft Zeke at 4 at age 21 (rookie season). You make him a top 5 paid player day 1 (because that's what his rookie deal made him) .You then sign him to a monster contract that makes him the most expensive rb in history.

And your solution is you can always cut him early after he's gotten all the monster guarantees his new contract will entail?

And then you look at the 6 years of production you paid for with the 4th overall pick and top salaries every single year of his career and are like.... Job well done?

Really? That's what you consider good value and return? For the highest pick the Cowboys had in two decades? 6 freaking years?

Yikes.

 

[Sydla]

There have been several.

The question is pointless though because you have to judge each player individually, no two players are the same.

And yes. There are numerous top level RB’s who stay productive well into a second contract. And make no mistake, Zeke is a top level RB.

Name them.

Further, it’s not about being “productive” in that second contract. At the money we’d be paying, Elliott would have to remain elite for the life of that contract.

 

[HungryLion]

28 or 29 when rbs hit the wall?

You realize peak rb production happens at age 27 with a steady and fairly precipitous drop afterwards.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/123542/inside-slant-running-back-cliff-after-age-27

So let's say you draft Zeke at 4 at age 21 (rookie season). You make him a top 5 paid player day 1 (because that's what his rookie deal made him) .You then sign him to a monster contract that makes him the most expensive rb in history.

And your solution is you can always cut him early after he's gotten all the monster guarantees his new contract will entail?

And then you look at the 6 years of production you paid for with the 4th overall pick and top salaries every single year of his career and are like.... Job well done?

Really? That's what you consider good value and return? For the highest pick the Cowboys had in two decades? 6 freaking years?

Yikes.

We weren’t talking about drafting him #4 overall. That’s not the point of my post. I don’t necessarily agree with your point of view, on that. But that’s a different topic than whether he should be re-signed. I know you feel strongly about that position and I know I won’t convince you otherwise.

However, the genie is out of the bottle. He was drafted, it is what it is. The question the team faces now is whether or not to extend Zeke.

I pointed out that if he is re-signed now or next season, you can easily cut him when he is 27-28 years old.

So if peak production is 27 like you claim, then that leaves only a season or two max, after peak production, meanwhile even if his production does start to drop after 27. You’re able to cut him a season later and move on. Re-signing him now or next off season, gives you that flexibility later.

 

[HungryLion]

Name them.

Further, it’s not about being “productive” in that second contract. At the money we’d be paying, Elliott would have to remain elite for the life of that contract.

The last 10-15 years?

Lesean McCoy. Adrian Peterson, ladanian Tomlinson, Curtis Martin, marshawn Lynch, frank gore, edgerrin James.

All of those guys were still producing at a high level when they were 28 years old.

And as I outlined before if you extend Zeke now or next off season. You can get out of his contract by the time he is 28, easily.

 

[Eddie]

Sorry, giving Zeke another contract is bad business. His mileage will be tremendous. We give him the 5th year option, and that's it. Do we really expect him to play out another 4 years beyond that? We'll be eating billions in dead money by the time his contract expires.

I love the guy, but do not pay RB's big money ... especially, high usage RB's like Zeke.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We weren’t talking about drafting him #4 overall. That’s not the point of my post. I don’t necessarily agree with your point of view, on that. But that’s a different topic than whether he should be re-signed. I know you feel strongly about that position and I know I won’t convince you otherwise.

However, the genie is out of the bottle. He was drafted, it is what it is. The question the team faces now is whether or not to extend Zeke.

I pointed out that if he is re-signed now or next season, you can easily cut him when he is 27-28 years old.

So if peak production is 27 like you claim, then that leaves only a season or two max, after peak production, meanwhile even if his production does start to drop after 27. You’re able to cut him a season later and move on. Re-signing him now or next off season, gives you that flexibility later.

When "use your highest pick in 2 decades pay top dollar every year and get 6 years from said player" is your argument.... Yikes.


When "we already made a bad decision why not make another" is your secondary argument.... Double yikes.