DLaw looking for 6 years, $140 mil with $85 garuanteed

[Doomsday101]

It's fine to question the negotiating tactics of Lawrence and his agent. But to be honest, I also question the tactics of the Cowboys. They could have had this done last year for less money, but decided to play hardball using the Tag. They should have had the forsight that this could happen. But since tagging him, not only was Lawrence great, Mack's deal came and blew up the market for pass rushers.

I'm not here to argue whether Lawrence is worth that money, I'm just saying he's likely to find that. And if so is Dallas prepared to have a backup plan? People reference the Patriots, but they always have replacements? Does Dallas have someone in the pipeline to replace him? Knowing all this, why wouldn't Lawrence ask for the moon and then some?

They could have but at that stage Lawrence had not prove himself he had a very good 2017 but just the year before he had 1 sack prior to 2017 he really had done nothing which is why the Cowboys and many here were not jumping up and down to sign him. I do think Cowboys have some people in mind like Quinn and I would do that before I negotiate with a gun to my head. I have said over and over, I expect Dallas to offer up a fair deal and I think from what I know they have done that. Ball is in his court as far as I'm concerned take it or leave it

 

[cowboys1985]

Teams like the Colts and Bills have it to spend. But we're yet to see if they want to spend that on Tank. That's not a guarantee. Besides that, how many times have we seen big contracts signed by players on crap teams that end in nothing? Suh for example with the Dolphins. Some players just don't care where they go, they just want to make a fortune and couldn't care less if the team wins or not. At this moment the Cowboys can't compete against those teams. I'm just thinking team. I don't care about Lawrence the person. What he ends up making is still up in the air. Yes he'll probably make close to that, but is 20M a year close? That's what we're currently offering if I'm not mistaken.

Exactly Dallas cant compete with those teams. More the reason why they should have taken care of this last year and not let it get to this point.

 

[Sydla]

Dee Ford was franchised this season by KC and immediately they began looking to trade him which they did for a 2nd round pick. He never signed the tender. Instead he signed a long term deal with the 49ers as part of the trade. That is how it works. No team will ever trade for a tagged player without working out a deal first but Dallas does not need him to sign the tag to go shopping him for picks. Yes, he will have to sign something as part of the trade or no one would trade for him but it doesn’t have to be the tender.

Ford signed the tender. That's why he was able to be traded.

 

[Future]

He does not. He should be just above guys like Flowers. Mack is a generational talent on the edge, who also does things from the OLB spot that Lawrence doesn't do - such as play in coverage, etc.

And frankly what Mack got was out of whack to begin with.

In no rational world is DeMarcus Lawrence worth the same as Mack. And if you think I am just being anti-Tank, note that I have had huge arguments with Verdict when he would claim just trade Lawrence. This team needs Lawrence but locking yourself into huge contract like that is a mistake IMO.

Mack doesn't cover. They play nickel and he rushes the passer from the edge, just like every other DE/OLB in the league. 3-4 OLB vs. 4-3 DE is no longer a distinction that teams need to make, because of the amount of nickel that teams play.

He's worth slightly less than Mack. When the cap goes up $10m in a year, a slightly lesser player making the same is about what happens in this league.

 

[DallasEast]

Everyone's gotta start a thread

It is either start a redundant thread or dread spontaneous human self-combustion for lack of self-control while considering not making a redundant thread. Where is the humanity knowing someone in the world shall burst into flames debating with themselves one second TOO long over not creating another thread discussing the exact same topic today, yesterday, a week or even a month ago? Where is the compassion? How do we lack empathy for others who find it mentally--yes mentally--impossible to click on existing thread titles displayed right there on the front page of a forum and post within them?

CowboysZone can be so heartless at times.

 

[Flamma]

Exactly Dallas cant compete with those teams. More the reason why they should have taken care of this last year and not let it get to this point.

Agreed 100%. IMO when you franchise tag a guy you're not looking to keep him for too long.

 

[Sydla]

Mack doesn't cover. They play nickel and he rushes the passer from the edge, just like every other DE/OLB in the league. 3-4 OLB vs. 4-3 DE is no longer a distinction that teams need to make, because of the amount of nickel that teams play.

He's worth slightly less than Mack. When the cap goes up $10m in a year, a slightly lesser player making the same is about what happens in this league.

He actually does play in coverage. In fact, he played a lot of coverage in the game against the Patriots this past year.

It's borderline insane to pay Lawrence the same as what Mack got.

 

[ksg811]

Why is there so much argument over his ability to be traded under the tag? While true that he can not officially be traded until the tender is signed, it is not preventing trade discussions nor contract discussions with other teams. Once trade terms have been agreed to, and he agrees to a new deal with said team, him signing is simply a formality to facilitate the trade. It’s an irrelevant talking point.

 

[JBell]

Might get a 3rd or 4th for him that's about it.

Is this what people think a premier edge rusher would fetch?

Dee Ford went for a second rounder and he’s a tier below D-Law.

 

[cowboys1985]

They could have but at that stage Lawrence had not prove himself he had a very good 2017 but just the year before he had 1 sack prior to 2017 he really had done nothing which is why the Cowboys and many here were not jumping up and down to sign him. I do think Cowboys have some people in mind like Quinn and I would do that before I negotiate with a gun to my head. I have said over and over, I expect Dallas to offer up a fair deal and I think from what I know they have done that. Ball is in his court as far as I'm concerned take it or leave it

That's true, but it means you could have gotten him for much cheaper. That's why teams extend players before they hit the open market. Sometimes its because you can get him for cheaper becuase he hasn't proven himself more.

As for replacements....I don't see it. Quin is a nice addition next to Lawrence but to replace him, he's nowhere near as good. Also has significant injuries. And there's certainly no one on the roster that I see that has the ability to duplicate Lawrence's production. Unfortunately for Dallas, Lawrence has no incentive for signing a team friendly or "fair" deal. He's going to get a premium, whether its from Dallas or some other team.

 

[Sydla]

Why is there so much argument over his ability to be traded under the tag? While true that he can not officially be traded until the tender is signed, it is not preventing trade discussions nor contract discussions with other teams. Once trade terms have been agreed to, and he agrees to a new deal with said team, him signing is simply a formality to facilitate the trade. It’s an irrelevant talking point.

It's not irrelevant because if you could trade him by just offering the tag, then the Cowboys would not be hindered by Lawrence having say on where he goes. But because he needs to sign the tender, he has to be on board with anything the Cowboys want to do which limits the Cowboys options.

 

[Future]

I like Tank and I hope we can keep him.

BUT... while the defense may get worse without him. The entire team could get worse if we pay him that much and then need to watch Zeke, Dak, B Jones, J Smith, Amari go because we dont have the cap to pay all of them. We just can't have all of these guys plus 3 guys on the OL all getting 20M per year.

We have the cap to pay all of them...nobody on the OL gets $20m idk what you're referencing. They only have $83m committed to the cap next year, and it's probably going to go up to ~$200m. If Lawrence and the 5 guys mentioned above average a cap hit of $18m (high end), you're only looking at $108m...+ the $83m and you're only at $191m. That's easy to work.

 

[GMO415]

Cowboys are willing to offer DeMarcus Lawrence a six-year deal with an average of $20M but he wants more money, per @calvinwatkins

 

[jsb357]

move on down the line

 

[Future]

He actually does play in coverage. In fact, he played a lot of coverage in the game against the Patriots this past year.

It's borderline insane to pay Lawrence the same as what Mack got.

Terribly. Being put in coverage and covering aren't the same thing. It's not like he's covering TEs man to man.

He's not getting the same as Mack got...not even asking for it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

His numbers are going up? He needs to fire his agent.

So he wanted $20, then upped it to $22.5, and now he wants $23.2?

Is he adding $100,000 a day until we pay up?

By next week he will want $25 million, LOL.

 

[Sydla]

So he wanted $20, then upped it to $22.5, and now he wants $23.2?

Is he adding $100,000 a day until we pay up?

By next week he will want $25 million, LOL.

Inflation dude. It's nasty.

 

[RodeoJake]

it does and its by design...a flawed design IMO.

To make teams scout and draft better, the cap should only apply toward FA signings. It's current setup rewards teams who are lazy about scouting and draft poorly.

 

[Rayman70]

I will take it. I wonder if it would be our 1st rounder we gave them. Lol.

I imagine it would be.

 

[Rayman70]

screw tank.