Taco Charlton

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Its Vidaunte Charlton......Crappy players don't get to have nicknames like "taco"
 

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Taco has been a disappointment from where he was drafted. Didn't like the pick at the time and still don't to this day. He plays like he should've been picked in the 5th round.


As close of a draft bust as there is
 

Alexander

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I would trade Taco. Some team will see his size & dream like Dallas did.
I doubt it.

We didn't even dream. We thought he would be a "safe" pick because we were too scared to draft a better pure rusher like Watt because he was undersized and feared he could not play the run.

There was nothing about him even as a college prospect that would have made anyone think he was a player to pin hopes on.

Thing is, he is not even a good run defender. He is just there. A real blight on the roster if you want to be honest.

But hey, he comes up with great nicknames and stuff.
 

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Who? This guy has no dog in him. You can see it with his body language.

Next.
 

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Taco has been a disappointment from where he was drafted. Didn't like the pick at the time and still don't to this day. He plays like he should've been picked in the 5th round.

It's a no-brainer...worst pick of the time McClay has been here. Everyone swings and misses once in awhile..even Ted Williams struck out here and there. LOL
 

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I sincerely believe that Taco Charlton was drafted in 2017 to replace DeMarcus Lawrence at LDE. When Charlton was drafted, Lawrence over his first 3 seasons, had missed 16 games games due to injury, and had only started 16 games, while playing in 16 others. He had only 9 sacks in those 32 games played over 3 seasons.

Charlton is not suited to play RDE. He doesn't have the body style, speed or skill set to be a weak side pass rusher going up against the top Left Tackles in the NFL. It is Charlton's bad luck that Lawrence had a breakout season in 2017, followed up by a really good 2018 season. So Charlton is doomed to be the backup to Lawrence, and unless there is an injury, Charlton is not going to get the chance in Dallas to prove his worth.

There was nothing wrong with the Cowboys using a late first round pick on a strong side DE in 2017. You don't typically get elite pass rushers in the bottom of the first round. So the Cowboys settled for a journeyman type player. But Lawrence has blown that up for Charlton. He's destined to be perceived as a bust in Dallas, even if he leaves and has a productive career for another team - kind of like Martellus Bennett, who was stuck behind Witten.

I still think Charlton was a reasonable pick, given the career path of Lawrence at the time the Cowboys made their 2017 first round selection. I choose to celebrate Lawrence finally achieving expectations rather than bemoan the failure of Charlton to beat him out. Lawrence was the 34th pick, while Charlton was the 28th pick. Not much difference, and Lawrence won the job. After Charlton's contract expires in 2020, I wish him luck with his next team.

The Cowboys need to determine who is the long-term solution at the more important position of RDE. Quinn is a good stop-gap solution, and I think he'll actually outperform Lawrence this coming season. It remains to be seen if Gregory will ever overcome his demons, but if he does, he's a good fit at RDE. So, it was worth the small extension the Cowboys gave him to lock him up for two more years, in case he finally reaches his potential. The option of resigning Quinn next year is also on the table. And there is the wildcard of Armstrong, and even Kerry Hyder, who surprised people with a good showing before his injury and coaching change in Detroit. The Cowboys have done enough to move the DE position out of the "NEED" column. They will need to revisit the situation next year.

Taco will always be the miss that could have been the hit that TJ Watt is for the Steelers.

And the reason why the team is still hurt by Randy Gregory's issues, and therefore the reason why they had to trade and pay Robert Quinn.

One thing leads to another and another.

And now we pay Lawrence a big contract, trade for and pay Quinn, hope that Gregory can be reinstated, and Charlton is a backup.
 

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I would trade Taco. Some team will see his size & dream like Dallas did. I still think if he wants to be successful he needs to add weight and move to DT.
I think other teams see what we see
 

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RDE and DLE doesn't matter if you can rush the passer. Stop making excuses for Taco's lack of production.
Regardless of Taco, there is a significant difference between LDE and RDE, especially in Marinelli's scheme.

It's almost a different position.

Some would say LDE is a 5-tech and RDE is a 7-tech in Marinelli's scheme. It's not that simple but it does give a basic idea in regards to 1 of the fundamental differences.

In the base scheme the 1-tech is on the left and the 3-tech on the right. Since the 3-tech is outside shoulder of the OG vs inside shoulder for the 1-tech, it pushes the DE next to the 3-tech out wider.

Marinelli says the WLB "travels" with the 3-tech meaning aligns on the same side.

Both DLaw and Taco are Strong-Side (LDE) style pass rushers. It call that style a power pass rusher. DLaw is not going to just blow by OTs with speed like the Von Miller style pass rusher. He wins with a combination of power/leverage and quickness.

I doubt that DLaw would be a 21M per type player if he had always played RDE in Marinelli's scheme. Going against LTs in a different basic alignment than he plays at LDE would not be the best fit for him.

It would be more clear if everybody called it Strong Side and Weak Side instead of Left/Right but Marinelli uses Left/Right and fans/media follow that nomenclature now.

In draft reviews you'll sometimes see a reference to "A Base End" which really means what I've described as a power pass rusher.
 

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Regardless of Taco, there is a significant difference between LDE and RDE, especially in Marinelli's scheme.

It's almost a different position.

Some would say LDE is a 5-tech and RDE is a 7-tech in Marinelli's scheme. It's not that simple but it does give a basic idea in regards to 1 of the fundamental differences.

In the base scheme the 1-tech is on the left and the 3-tech on the right. Since the 3-tech is outside shoulder of the OG vs inside shoulder for the 1-tech, it pushes the DE next to the 3-tech out wider.

Marinelli says the WLB "travels" with the 3-tech meaning aligns on the same side.

Both DLaw and Taco are Strong-Side (LDE) style pass rushers. It call that style a power pass rusher. DLaw is not going to just blow by OTs with speed like the Von Miller style pass rusher. He wins with a combination of power/leverage and quickness.

I doubt that DLaw would be a 21M per type player if he had always played RDE in Marinelli's scheme. Going against LTs in a different basic alignment than he plays at LDE would not be the best fit for him.

It would be more clear if everybody called it Strong Side and Weak Side instead of Left/Right but Marinelli uses Left/Right and fans/media follow that nomenclature now.

In draft reviews you'll sometimes see a reference to "A Base End" which really means what I've described as a power pass rusher.
I'm aware of the traditional differences between strongside and weakside defensive end (or LDE/RDE, whatever you want to call it).

After Taco was drafted, the front office specifically pointed out that they like his athleticism and thought he could play RE or LE.

D-Law's skillset suits him better as a LDE because of how well he plays the run, but he absolutely would be effective rushing the passer at RDE as well. Are you insinuating that you can only get sacks at RDE by being a speed rusher? As you noted, D-Law is a versatile pass rusher and can win in a variety of ways.

You're seeing more RT's with LT skillsets in today's pass happy league. Road-grading right tackles who can't pass protect are becoming extinct because teams will exploit them by putting their best rushers on that side. I'm not buying this idea that Taco needs to be on the strongside to have success because RT's are inferior athletes than LT's. He should be able to win regardless of where he lines up.
 

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Regardless of Taco, there is a significant difference between LDE and RDE, especially in Marinelli's scheme.

It's almost a different position.

Some would say LDE is a 5-tech and RDE is a 7-tech in Marinelli's scheme. It's not that simple but it does give a basic idea in regards to 1 of the fundamental differences.

In the base scheme the 1-tech is on the left and the 3-tech on the right. Since the 3-tech is outside shoulder of the OG vs inside shoulder for the 1-tech, it pushes the DE next to the 3-tech out wider.

Marinelli says the WLB "travels" with the 3-tech meaning aligns on the same side.

Both DLaw and Taco are Strong-Side (LDE) style pass rushers. It call that style a power pass rusher. DLaw is not going to just blow by OTs with speed like the Von Miller style pass rusher. He wins with a combination of power/leverage and quickness.

I doubt that DLaw would be a 21M per type player if he had always played RDE in Marinelli's scheme. Going against LTs in a different basic alignment than he plays at LDE would not be the best fit for him.

It would be more clear if everybody called it Strong Side and Weak Side instead of Left/Right but Marinelli uses Left/Right and fans/media follow that nomenclature now.

In draft reviews you'll sometimes see a reference to "A Base End" which really means what I've described as a power pass rusher.

The ironic thing is that they drafted Lawrence to play Weak side Defensive End (RDE), but he quickly proved he was more suited to play Strong Side DE (LDE). So, the next year, they drafted Gregory to play RDE. And we all know what happened next. Simply put, as I said before, Lawrence's production was so poor that they drafted Taco to replace him. It was only then that Lawrence started playing better.
 

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I am happy he is on the team, and I think he gets better.

Taco is good insurance, and we will be happy he is on the team if dlaw or Quinn gets hurt or if Gregory doesn't make it back.

That is assuming that this year isn't his breakout year, and he wins out in the offseason.

Good for rotation
Lol....so your happy we used a first round pick on a 4th or 5th de? Pathetic.
 

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If we had drafted Watt instead, would we have let DLaw walk and used the money elsewhere or traded him last year?
 

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We’ve mostly hit on our top picks lately. This appears to possibly be a miss, but it’s still early.

Misses happen to all teams, so it’s hard to complain too much.
 
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Taco has been a LDE from day one. Problem has been the coaching staff asking him to move around...

His best bet is to concentrate on being a rotational player..giving D-Law snaps off. Not a bad gig if you ask me...
 
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