Is Dak a so-called bus driver?

RoboQB

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You attack the messenger when you can not counter the message with salient facts. Your rebuttal reveals your own defeat in this debate. Goodbye sir.

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I can educate the uneducated, but I can't fix stupid. Your take on bus driving QBs is stupid.
Perhaps you should follow an easier sport to understand.
 

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I can educate the uneducated, but I can't fix stupid. Your take on bus driving QBs is stupid.
Perhaps you should follow an easier sport to understand.
Further attacks on the messenger rather than addressing the message. Just more confirmation you got your head handed to you in this debate.
 

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Any more or any less production and this isn't a question. Limits turnovers while providing average output. May not be a full-fledged Bus Driver, but he's definitely working on his CDL.
 

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Dak is a bus driver but its hard for people to see because the team around him is elevating him. Without this top 3 oline and top 3 running game this team is in trouble.
 

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I suspected it so but this post confirms it. You just want to argue. You act like you don't get that football in and of itself is a "system" that operates within a set of rules and that system is not the system I'm talking about when I talk about QBs playing within a "system". I'm talking about the coach's "system" like Belichick's system or Tom Landry's system. It includes how that team drafts players and how a practice runs. A system QB has to have accuracy and efficiency or the system won't work. But of course you knew that and just want to be difficult. When you say "Manning", I had to ask myself which Manning are you talking about? That got confusing until you specified he was with the Colts and then the Broncos.

I suspected it is so, but this post confirms it - you just want to try and show you are brighter than others by going against the grain. You act like you don't get that QBs all have individual skill sets that can enhance a system, and whether a QB does that by "blood and guts" or "gunslinging" or by a superior ability to read defenses and understand situations and use whatever system he plays in to its best advantage all still amounts to the same thing.

And you act like you don't get that what people refer to by "bus driver" is a player who has some success simply by not screwing up within the system he operates in, rather than one that excels in it and elevates it by using whatever his skill set he has.

As for the nonsensical suggestion that I somehow think you are referring to football in general as a system rather than the offensive systems of individual teams, that's a pretty alarming comment because it takes a great stretch of the mind and a willingness to ignore whatever you don't want to acknowledge to come to that conclusion. Throughout this discussion I've talked about things like Manning playing in the Colts system, and then playing in the Broncos system, and Brady playing in the Pats system and all QBs playing within an offensive system established by their team. There really isn't away to miss that unless you are making an effort to for the sake of an argument

As for "Belichick's system", Belichick is a defensive coach by background. The "system" is the Patriot's system, that offensive coaches on the Patriots have developed and tweaked over the years and Belichick has signed off on. He may have had input n tweaking the system over the years, but he is not the architect or the play caller.
 

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Well, he's wrong. The term came from a HOF NFL coach. When mentioned in NFL circles, it is taken
only one way. Any fan who has the audacity to change the definition to look cute on a message board
has to be a complete imbecile.
Call a quarterback a bus driver and he'll take it as an insult.
Kyle Murray is likely the top pick this year, as Baker Mayfield was last year.
I have yet to see the term 'bus driver' attached to either of them.
I don't remember any college QB - NFL prospect labeled a "bus driver."
 

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Hopefully Dak will take another step and improve. Right now to contend he has to have a top-notch defense and running game.
The possibility it there to have both.
Who Dak is *right now*, IMO (as far as the caliber of QB, not the playing style) is on par with Eli Manning.
Decent- to good QB, needs a complete team to contend for a title.

Like Aikman?

So why don't you name the QB's in todays game that don't need great talent around them to contend.
 

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I suspected it is so, but this post confirms it - you just want to try and show you are brighter than others by going against the grain. You act like you don't get that QBs all have individual skill sets that can enhance a system, and whether a QB does that by "blood and guts" or "gunslinging" or by a superior ability to read defenses and understand situations and use whatever system he plays in to its best advantage all still amounts to the same thing.

And you act like you don't get that what people refer to by "bus driver" is a player who has some success simply by not screwing up within the system he operates in, rather than one that excels in it and elevates it by using whatever his skill set he has.

As for the nonsensical suggestion that I somehow think you are referring to football in general as a system rather than the offensive systems of individual teams, that's a pretty alarming comment because it takes a great stretch of the mind and a willingness to ignore whatever you don't want to acknowledge to come to that conclusion. Throughout this discussion I've talked about things like Manning playing in the Colts system, and then playing in the Broncos system, and Brady playing in the Pats system and all QBs playing within an offensive system established by their team. There really isn't away to miss that unless you are making an effort to for the sake of an argument

As for "Belichick's system", Belichick is a defensive coach by background. The "system" is the Patriot's system, that offensive coaches on the Patriots have developed and tweaked over the years and Belichick has signed off on. He may have had input n tweaking the system over the years, but he is not the architect or the play caller.
Here you are trying to insult Dak by calling him a "bus driver" when in actuality it isn't an insult at all. A bus driver is a QB of greater skill, knowledge, or talent who unambiguously dominates over everyone else. A bus driver is so named because he takes everyone else to school.
 

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Here you are trying to insult Dak by calling him a "bus driver" when in actuality it isn't an insult at all. A bus driver is a QB of greater skill, knowledge, or talent who unambiguously dominates over everyone else. A bus driver is so named because he takes everyone else to school.

I didn't try to insult Dak at all. I'm not sure where you are coming up with that. As for the term "bus driver", you are using a definition that nobody else is or does - not fans, not the media. It's your own, and as such, you are arguing points that do not fit the context everyone else is discussing.
 

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I never said any Manning is a bus driver and you never gave me your origin of the term. But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better is okay with me. You are the one struggling in this conversation. Learning new meanings to words can be difficult sometimes and it's okay if you don't get it the first time you hear it. Just keep trying to keep up.

I gave you the origin of the term. Bill Parcells.
I'm not struggling one bit. You're ignorance on this is laughable.
"Bus driver" is a term. You don't get to change it and expect smart
people to listen you.

For the third time now, you and your cronies would be laughed out of a room full of NFL people for calling
Brady, Manning or Brees a bus driver QB. All three have been mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should learn the original meaning before you go trying to change words, phrases, the Constitution, etc.
 

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Maybe you're not following but some joker on here thinks Brady is a bus driver.
He's decided to take it upon himself to completely change the term.
Maybe you're not following, but that wasn't my point. At all.
 

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I gave you the origin of the term. Bill Parcells.
I'm not struggling one bit. You're ignorance on this is laughable.
"Bus driver" is a term. You don't get to change it and expect smart
people to listen you.

For the third time now, you and your cronies would be laughed out of a room full of NFL people for calling
Brady, Manning or Brees a bus driver QB. All three have been mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should learn the original meaning before you go trying to change words, phrases, the Constitution, etc.
You must have me confused with someone else. We never discussed anything Bill Parcells said. Go back and find who you really talk to about this so you'll stop confusing me with the guy you had that talk with. Yes you are struggling because you are saying things that never happened between you and me. I have left links to the definition of "bus driver" that shows I'm right, so stop with the slanderous accusations that I am making up my own definition of the term.
 

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Maybe you're not very good at making your point.
It was one sentence, is that too difficult for you? Or do you want to go back and forth wasting time? I'm not interested. If you didn't understand a simple statement, then just move on.
 

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It was one sentence, is that too difficult for you? Or do you want to go back and forth wasting time? I'm not interested. If you didn't understand a simple statement, then just move on.

Sure. Maybe you could read an entire conversation before chiming in next time.
Buh-bye.
 

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Sure. Maybe you could read an entire conversation before chiming in next time.
Buh-bye.
I responded to a part of your post and you started this "I'm a smart guy" act.

Interestingly, you STILL haven't addressed the statement response, lol.
 

RoboQB

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I responded to a part of your post and you started this "I'm a smart guy" act.

Interestingly, you STILL haven't addressed the statement response, lol.

I am a smart guy, actually.
I got it, you've never heard of a college QB labeled as a bus driver.
I didn't see a question in there anywhere.
 
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