Taco's draft grades revisited

[QuincyCarterEra]

Edge rushers taken after Taco:
Watt- turned out good for Steelera
Tyus Bowser- 3.5 sacks 20 total tsckles
Ryan Anderson- 2 sacks 32 total tackles
DeMarcus Walker- 2 sacks 11 total tackles
Kpassagnon- 2 sacks 17 total tackles
Dawuane Smoot- 0 sacks 19 total tackles
Jordan Willis- 2 sacks 45 total tackles
Daeshon Hall- cut after being active one game
Tim Williams- 2 sacks 16 total tackles

Taco-4 sacks and 46 total tackles

 

[America's Cowboy]

Before the draft or two years after the draft?

Before.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Again, this comparison to Lawrence has to die.

By this point in their careers, Lawrence had shown WAY MORE in terms of play, production and potential than Charlton. Lawrence was an ascending player at this point. Charlton is not. It doesn't mean Charlton can't get better (I suspect he will because frankly, he was pretty bad last year) but using the logic that hey, Lawrence developed so will Taco misses some key information - that Lawrence was showing signs of developing and advancing as a player by this point, Taco has not.

Second half of Lawrence's 2nd year was 7 sacks. He showed he could produce. Played injured all of his 3rd year, and produced nothing, but it was reasonable to expect a return to production something like the back half of his 2nd year in his 4th year.

 

[Sydla]

Edge rushers taken after Taco:
Watt- turned out good for Steelera
Tyus Bowser- 3.5 sacks 20 total tsckles
Ryan Anderson- 2 sacks 32 total tackles
DeMarcus Walker- 2 sacks 11 total tackles
Kpassagnon- 2 sacks 17 total tackles
Dawuane Smoot- 0 sacks 19 total tackles
Jordan Willis- 2 sacks 45 total tackles
Daeshon Hall- cut after being active one game
Tim Williams- 2 sacks 16 total tackles

Taco-4 sacks and 46 total tackles

What's the point of this? Are you suggesting that because that was a bad draft for edge rushers, we did fine taking Charlton?

 

[Prime21]

Taco had a middle of the pack SPARQ score and meh film. He pretty much never beat LTs and a lot of his highlights he was left unblocked or broken plays.
Watt's SPARQ score was above 90th percentile. Film was far better.

Taco is bigger and that is it. What really pisses me off is that Marinelli has always been a guy that says "You want size and speed, but if you have to pick one, you pick speed". Then I have to read about how we took the lesser player because he was bigger. There have been plenty of RDEs that have played at Watt's size. Grinds my gears to this day.

I hope the next time he gets an attitude Garrett goes full asthma field him to send a message to the rest of the team.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

What's the point of this? Are you suggesting that because that was a bad draft for edge rushers, we did fine taking Charlton?

Nope.
Just an observation that I posted

I doubt all of those players amount to nothing.

 

[charron]

Where was it written that they HAD to take a DE there?

If they had evaluated Taco properly and decided he might struggle to develop, they could have just picked another player at another position.

For example, they could have taken Budda Baker, who is a very good safety. He'd be a starter here in Dallas right now.

Why is it so hard for some of you to just admit reality? That based on the current situation and trend, they made a mistake picking Charlton?

You have to go by their board. There are always examples of players that should have been drafted higher, romo, brady, ratliff etc but you have to go by your board and philosophy. Most DE take a couple years to develop at this level, they knew it and took him to give him 5 years not 2. he hasnt been great but not a bust either.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Couldn't be me, I thought he was a JAG and would have drafted Watt.

To the point that people wouldn't have liked Watt if he had a different last name, I disagree. People struggled with the projection due to his 3-4 OLB role, but I saw the ability to win as an edge and technique rusher when he was allowed to. The Cowboys admitted to not being comfortable projecting him and who knows how he'd play if he was on our team, but I know part of something is greater than nothing.

Agreed. So many people don't have the intellectual ability to plug a certain type of talented player into a different position and see them flourish at said new position. It's a rare gift.

 

[Denim Chicken]

There were a lot of people on Watt before the draft even happened. He was also considered a first round talent by just about everyone, so to say he only got hype on this board because of his last name is just not accurate.

Disagree. There were a number of draft site having him slip into the second. Taco was almost unanimously graded higher.

 

[Sydla]

You have to go by their board. There are always examples of players that should have been drafted higher, romo, brady, ratliff etc but you have to go by your board and philosophy. Most DE take a couple years to develop at this level, they knew it and took him to give him 5 years not 2. he hasnt been great but not a bust either.

And guess what?

Their board may have been wrong. They may have mis-evaluated Charlton and overrated his skill set and ability to develop into a really good NFL DE?

Again, why do you struggle with admitting that reality?

And yes, he's pretty much been a bust up until this point.

 

[Sydla]

Disagree. There were a number of draft site having him slip into the second. Taco was almost unanimously graded higher.

Slip into the second? So we are going to quibble over the fact he might not have been a late 1st round talent but maybe just be an early 2nd round talent?

The overriding point here is that to say people just knew and liked Watt because of his name is just not accurate.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Edge rushers taken after Taco:
Watt- turned out good for Steelera
Tyus Bowser- 3.5 sacks 20 total tsckles
Ryan Anderson- 2 sacks 32 total tackles
DeMarcus Walker- 2 sacks 11 total tackles
Kpassagnon- 2 sacks 17 total tackles
Dawuane Smoot- 0 sacks 19 total tackles
Jordan Willis- 2 sacks 45 total tackles
Daeshon Hall- cut after being active one game
Tim Williams- 2 sacks 16 total tackles

Taco-4 sacks and 46 total tackles

The forgotten man: Carl Lawson - 9.5 sacks 22 total tackles.

 

[charron]

And guess what?

Their board may have been wrong. They may have mis-evaluated Charlton and overrated his skill set and ability to develop into a really good NFL DE?

Again, why do you struggle with admitting that reality?

And yes, he's pretty much been a bust up until this point.

Because taco is still the best DE taken at the time. why do you miss that?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The forgotten man: Carl Lawson - 9.5 sacks 22 total tackles.

1. Not forgotten
2. Didnt realize he only had 22 total sacks
3. I could have kept going and added a ton more failures but got bored

 

[Denim Chicken]

1. Not forgotten
2. Didnt realize he only had 22 total sacks
3. I could have kept going and added a ton more failures but got bored

He's not a failure. Hes probably the best pure rusher from that class.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Taco has a year to prove the yay sayers right and the nay sayers wrong. If he doesn't he's kaputzky, that's Polish for gonzo

 

[Denim Chicken]

The overriding point here is that to say people just knew and liked Watt because of his name is just not accurate.

Ok most people then.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

He's not a failure. Hes probably the best pure rusher from that class.

You're not understanding.

If I would have kept going and listed all the remaining edge rushers there would have been a ton more failures compared to Lawson and whoever else might pop up.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How many times will people give up on a player too soon before deciding to let the process play itself out?

 

[Sydla]

Because taco is still the best DE taken at the time. why do you miss that?

I didn't miss it. But no one held a gun to their head and said you have to take the best DE on your board at that spot. Or any DE at all. The goal is to draft the best player they think is available at that spot. They evaluated Taco to be that player. It's looking like they were wrong, at least up until this point.

If Taco ends up just trending where he has to date, it's a failed draft pick, plain and simple. This is a pretty big year to determine where his career is likely heading.